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schatzie · 01-30-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Julz

I would give it a little longer also. However, your vet is saying he can't even "find" the other testicle? Give it another couple of months. If it doesn't drop, yes, it is a health issue from what I understand and surgery is needed (not positive, but pretty sure). Was he sold to you with the intention of you never breeding him or was that just left as an open decision for you to make in the future? Because if you were not to breed him, this really shouldn't be an issue and would/should require neutering. If you aren't going to breed him, it is better for him and you if he gets neutered. I know Yorkies can go for more than you paid or less than you paid, but no matter what, it is still a lot of money. You have not been ripped off unless you were intending to breed and the breeder knew of it and there was some agreement (or a non-breeding agreement was omitted).

Julz Thank you for answering my question about a testicle not dropping possibly being a health issue. I was very curious about that.

smmrpm · 01-30-2006, 03:53 PM

I am not an expert but I do know that it is hereditary(sp) and if you plan to breed he could father babies but his offspring could be affected. The longer the testicle is in the abdomen the more likely it is to be sterile even if it drops. That tissue is very sensitive to heat and inside the body is much warmer than it would be in it's proper place. Besides these issues there is a higher risk of testicular cancer when this happens and unfortunately it is usually better to neuter in these cases. Testicles usually drop by eight weeks and it can take a little longer in the toy breeds but seven months is a long time. Sorry you are in this situation and sorry the news isn't a little more positive. You can also do a search for undescended testicles and get more information. Good luck!

txshopper73 · 01-30-2006, 04:33 PM

You need to check your contract and see if hereditary defects are covered. this is passed down and may skip many generations. I also know of someone that has this in her lines but if you ask her, it's the first time she's heard of it.

$1200 is a lot for a male in my part of the country and the least she could do is to refund you the part for the neuter. You MUST have it done now since the undescended testicle will become cancerous.

She had the stretching done before...that means that she knows it's in her lines and that male should not have been bred again. Best of luck.

troubletb · 01-30-2006, 04:49 PM

Here is my 2 cents!! I bought Petey for breeding. When I brought him to the vet (the very next day) my vet said his testicles were not dropped.. I called the breeder and told her that the health Certificate said they were dropped. She said that I should give it a few more months and if they didn't drop I could exchange him.. Well they did drop about 2-3 weeks later, But let me say this Petey is very small and even now I sometimes I don't find them on the first Feel (LOL,

I don't go around feeling them, but make sure I know where they are when I trim his hair)

Both my boys that I sold had theirs dropped by 8 weeks! I think if you were planning on breeding him, the vet should have been looking a long time ago, not at 7 months.
Sorry, and $1200 is a lot for a male here too!!

SnowWa · 01-31-2006, 11:40 PM

I took my new 8-week old pup to the vet for a well-puppy check up, and she said she was happy to see that both of his testicles were descended.

So - I assumed that more often than not - they are down at a young age.

If this is true - isn't this something you could check before you purchase a male puppy....assuming that your puppy is 8 to 10 weeks old before you get it???

Carol Jean

chechinmipo · 01-31-2006, 11:49 PM

I totally undestand were you are coming from. I made my mistake and purchased my girl from a broker and I myself had problems and when i confronted her she only gave rediculous responses to my questions and worries.

ivy · 02-02-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chechinmipo

I totally undestand were you are coming from. I made my mistake and purchased my girl from a broker and I myself had problems and when i confronted her she only gave rediculous responses to my questions and worries.

Thank you. I will give him till the age of a year and if it doesn't drop than i'll have to neuter him.

Gazou · 02-02-2006, 10:18 AM

Did you intended to breed him ?

Sherry Lynn · 02-02-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ivy

Thank you. I will give him till the age of a year and if it doesn't drop than i'll have to neuter him.

And if you do have to neuter him, know that he will be okay. One of my Shelties never dropped, and since I was intending to have him neutered anyway, I wasn't concerned. Meanwhile he is now the grandpa of the house and is pretty healthy for a 13 yr old.

Janie Doyle · 02-02-2006, 11:09 AM

When you first got this Yorkie wwhat kind of guarentee did he come with in the contact? Was he ever check by your vet before he was 7 mos old?

stinkybelle · 02-02-2006, 11:34 AM

did you buy the dog just to breed it? on e of my dogs ears doesnt stand up and i paid good money but i dont care i love her

ivy · 02-06-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Janie Doyle

When you first got this Yorkie wwhat kind of guarentee did he come with in the contact? Was he ever check by your vet before he was 7 mos old?

Yes actually he was checked and the vet said that he was fine and everything was looking good. but last month i went in and i saw a different doctor and she was the one who told me that Kiroshi only had one testicle drop. She said that maybe the other doc. could detect it because kiroshi is so small. the contrack is a one year warranty against genetic diseases and any genetic problems that may cause a health risk.

ivy · 02-06-2006, 12:11 PM

I've contacted the breeder and she refuses to admit that her dogs have a genetic defect. she kept saying that she's had four generations of dogs and none of them has ever had this problem, but she also mentions the puppy that she had the cords stretched out because of this problem. she kept saying that the contract only covers problems that are a health risk. This does cause a health risk, and i told her that if she were really a responsible breeder she would accept that her dogs carry a defect in thier genes and pay me the difference. OH gosh! she made me so mad! I bought him w/open registration and made it very clear that He was for breeding, she kept trying to get off the phone. what should i do because it looks like she isn't going to do anything bout it. I found the wrong breeder, she's just like a puppy mill, all she cares bout is money, and i regret doing business with her. I love my kiroshi and i'm glad i have him, but this breeder isn't responsible and she told me that she has about 4-5 litters a year, i think thats is over doing her pets.

Baileys_Momma · 02-06-2006, 01:21 PM

If you are looking to breed your Yorkie, him having only one testes isn't going to stop him from breeding. Both of my babies father only have one testes and my male has both of his. Although yes, it can be genetic, there is no reason why you still wouldn't be able to breed him. Please don't be so upset. Having one testes is not a health concern as it happens to adults, children and pets all the time.

ivy · 02-06-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Baileys_Momma

If you are looking to breed your Yorkie, him having only one testes isn't going to stop him from breeding. Both of my babies father only have one testes and my male has both of his. Although yes, it can be genetic, there is no reason why you still wouldn't be able to breed him. Please don't be so upset. Having one testes is not a health concern as it happens to adults, children and pets all the time.

Are you sure because the vet and groomer and others i've talked to said that it can be cancerous and not that Kiroshi shouldn't i shouldn't breed him because it can be passed and he might be sterile.

01-30-2006, 03:53 PM	#17
smmrpm Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 800	I am not an expert but I do know that it is hereditary(sp) and if you plan to breed he could father babies but his offspring could be affected. The longer the testicle is in the abdomen the more likely it is to be sterile even if it drops. That tissue is very sensitive to heat and inside the body is much warmer than it would be in it's proper place. Besides these issues there is a higher risk of testicular cancer when this happens and unfortunately it is usually better to neuter in these cases. Testicles usually drop by eight weeks and it can take a little longer in the toy breeds but seven months is a long time. Sorry you are in this situation and sorry the news isn't a little more positive. You can also do a search for undescended testicles and get more information. Good luck! __________________ Max, Piper, Emma & Buttercup Click HERE to see our Pictures

01-30-2006, 04:33 PM	#18
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	You need to check your contract and see if hereditary defects are covered. this is passed down and may skip many generations. I also know of someone that has this in her lines but if you ask her, it's the first time she's heard of it. $1200 is a lot for a male in my part of the country and the least she could do is to refund you the part for the neuter. You MUST have it done now since the undescended testicle will become cancerous. She had the stretching done before...that means that she knows it's in her lines and that male should not have been bred again. Best of luck. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

01-30-2006, 04:49 PM	#19
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	Here is my 2 cents!! I bought Petey for breeding. When I brought him to the vet (the very next day) my vet said his testicles were not dropped.. I called the breeder and told her that the health Certificate said they were dropped. She said that I should give it a few more months and if they didn't drop I could exchange him.. Well they did drop about 2-3 weeks later, But let me say this Petey is very small and even now I sometimes I don't find them on the first Feel (LOL, I don't go around feeling them, but make sure I know where they are when I trim his hair) Both my boys that I sold had theirs dropped by 8 weeks! I think if you were planning on breeding him, the vet should have been looking a long time ago, not at 7 months. Sorry, and $1200 is a lot for a male here too!! __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

01-31-2006, 11:40 PM	#20
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	I took my new 8-week old pup to the vet for a well-puppy check up, and she said she was happy to see that both of his testicles were descended. So - I assumed that more often than not - they are down at a young age. If this is true - isn't this something you could check before you purchase a male puppy....assuming that your puppy is 8 to 10 weeks old before you get it??? Carol Jean __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words.

02-02-2006, 11:34 AM	#26
stinkybelle Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: utah Posts: 29	did you buy the dog just to breed it? on e of my dogs ears doesnt stand up and i paid good money but i dont care i love her __________________ i will bite

01-31-2006, 11:49 PM	#21
chechinmipo No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 2,260	I totally undestand were you are coming from. I made my mistake and purchased my girl from a broker and I myself had problems and when i confronted her she only gave rediculous responses to my questions and worries.

02-02-2006, 10:18 AM	#23
Gazou YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,180	Did you intended to breed him ?

02-02-2006, 11:09 AM	#25
Janie Doyle Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 522	When you first got this Yorkie wwhat kind of guarentee did he come with in the contact? Was he ever check by your vet before he was 7 mos old?

02-06-2006, 12:11 PM	#28
ivy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: central kali Posts: 38	I've contacted the breeder and she refuses to admit that her dogs have a genetic defect. she kept saying that she's had four generations of dogs and none of them has ever had this problem, but she also mentions the puppy that she had the cords stretched out because of this problem. she kept saying that the contract only covers problems that are a health risk. This does cause a health risk, and i told her that if she were really a responsible breeder she would accept that her dogs carry a defect in thier genes and pay me the difference. OH gosh! she made me so mad! I bought him w/open registration and made it very clear that He was for breeding, she kept trying to get off the phone. what should i do because it looks like she isn't going to do anything bout it. I found the wrong breeder, she's just like a puppy mill, all she cares bout is money, and i regret doing business with her. I love my kiroshi and i'm glad i have him, but this breeder isn't responsible and she told me that she has about 4-5 litters a year, i think thats is over doing her pets.

02-06-2006, 01:21 PM	#29
Baileys_Momma And Morgan Too! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 1,180	If you are looking to breed your Yorkie, him having only one testes isn't going to stop him from breeding. Both of my babies father only have one testes and my male has both of his. Although yes, it can be genetic, there is no reason why you still wouldn't be able to breed him. Please don't be so upset. Having one testes is not a health concern as it happens to adults, children and pets all the time. __________________ Courtney Bailey Morgan KICKING CANCER'S BUTT, ONE CHEMO TREATMENT AT A TIME!!! Member of the SSLS (Secret Sisterhood Ladybug Society)