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02-23-2019, 08:03 PM | #1 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: VA
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| Dual sire registeration, akc questions Hi all... I have always had a small program with my yorkies. But I recently expanded. I have a blue and gold, parti carrier dam. I also have my blk and tan traditional male. They tied and the season appeared to be over. I brought home a new male, full parti. Now she has tied with both. I have been researching dual registration. It looks costly to say the least. Has anyone else experienced this? Could you give me info? How long did it take, how much did it cost, any trouble with the process? Also I read that the puppies most be properly identified microchipped or tattoos with the DNA kit...I'm confused by this bc if they are three days old to swap their mouths I would think one they are too young for microchipping or tattoos, or am I miss understanding the process? Should I just sell the puppies as no registration? Which is so disheartening. Also does akc limit the amount of litters a damn can have registered with them? Tia |
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02-24-2019, 10:27 AM | #2 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| When you say dual registration which two are you referring to? If the mom and dad are both AKC it shouldn’t be hard. The how many litters can you register thing kind of worries me. It sounds like you really need a mentor.
__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! |
02-24-2019, 11:21 AM | #3 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: VA
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| Not dual registered..dual sired, two sires bred with the same dam. |
02-24-2019, 01:01 PM | #4 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Alabama
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| If a bitch ties with two males, in order to register the litter, you must DNA all involved - the bitch, both males and ALL of the pups. It isn't cheap. The other options are: 1) Spay and neuter any pups resulting from the dual breeding and sell them as non registered pets. 2) Be dishonest and lie on the registration forms. This is a bad idea because if you pick the wrong male for the registration process and someone DNA's a pup from this breeding - even generations later the DNA will tell the truth and the breeder can and most likely will be suspended from AKC. All pups resulting from this breeding will have their registrations suspended. Not a pleasant surprise for anyone involved. Several years ago my AKC Champion Lollie was bred to a 13 year old multi champion AKC male, Trip. Because of his age, Trip had to be certified by a vet to have a viable sperm, which he did. However, the stud owner wasn't comfortable that the breeding was successful, so we bred her to another male. The resulting litter produced three female pups. After spending a considerable amount of $$ having Lollie and the pups DNA's (both sires already had DNA on file with AKC) we determined that the second male was the sire of all three pups. If memory seerves me, there were more fees involved in the registration process for the litter/pups because it was a dual breeding. The only reason I bred Lollie was to preserve the genetic line. It was never my intent to profit from the breeding, so I wound up with the expense of all of the genetic testing. The ONLY satisfaction for me was knowing that I did the right thing. Ultimately two of the pups earned their championships and the third was spayed and placed in a loving pet home. My mentors - both of whom are AKC Breeders of Merit - only breed their bitches a limited number of times and then retire them. They are spayed and placed with loving homes to live out the rest of their lives as pets. Males on the other hand must be DNA'd once they have sired "X" number of litters, I believe it is five, but to be on the safe side check AKC rules and regulations. |
02-24-2019, 01:33 PM | #5 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| Sorry misread.
__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! |
02-24-2019, 02:45 PM | #6 | |
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Thank you, when you did the DNA on the babies and the adults how did u identify the babies for akc? It mentioned tattoo or micro but at the time of swapping I would feel they are too young for any of those methods. I have looked at the cost of the DNA kits per dog, and then of course for any off spring plus the $200 dual sired registration fee then the two site litter registrations fees.. | |
02-24-2019, 03:00 PM | #7 | |
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Second question if I registered only one male if I felt like only one took..due to coloring....and registered as limited akc...would there be any question on Dna with a limited registration? All sold on spay and neuter contracts. Thanks again | |
02-24-2019, 05:00 PM | #8 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Alabama
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| It was many years ago - 2013 or 2014, so my memory may not be 100% correct. As far as I can remember, the pups were referred to by the # and gender on the Litter Registration Form. It would behoove you to call AKC and get current information. As to your second question, I don't want to sound snarky, BUT either do the right thing or don't. There are only TWO acceptable resolutions both of which require you to accept responsibility for the fact that this litter is the result of a dual breeding and chances are you are going to lose $$. 1) Follow AKC rules and proceed with the costly DNA testing to protect the integrity of your breeding program. Registering any pup(s) from this litter without doing the DNA violates ACK rules. 2) Spay and neuter ALL pups before they go to their forever homes and sell them as unregistered pets. The spay and neuter "contracts" are only as reliable as the people signing the contracts are honest. Spay and Neuter BEFORE placing pups. |
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