Question for all the breeders on this list

[Cherie6446]

Sharon, in your reply to MarkfromSea you say you paid $2500 US - $3400 Canadian for Lacy. Now you say you paid $3600. I know it isn't important in the greater scheme of things but when people are questioning whether you are being 100% truthful in regards to everything you have said about this transaction it just makes me wonder.

[Parti Peanut]

Originally Posted by SharonSnowbird

Thanks so much for asking Jan. :-)

Unfortunately, Lacy is still not rid of the giardia, which is very stressful. She started her third round of medication yesterday, and I am on house arrest for the next five days so I can stay home and try to watch her every minute of the day. I have canceled everything on my calendar. Because the problem is, when she poops, she often licks it, so if she does that just once, she will reinfect herself, and we will never get rid of it. Obviously, I can't keep my eyes on her every second but I am going to try my hardest. I just want her to be healthy again! None of my friends even want to hold her when I say that giardia can be transmitted to humans. So I don't even take her anywhere. I cannot wait for the day that she is finally giardia free and we can go visit all my friends!

Oh my gosh, I'm sorry you are still fighting this when you should just be enjoying your sweet little girl. Hope this is cleared up soon. Jan

[SharonSnowbird]

Originally Posted by Cherie6446

Sharon, in your reply to MarkfromSea you say you paid $2500 US - $3400 Canadian for Lacy. Now you say you paid $3600. I know it isn't important in the greater scheme of things but when people are questioning whether you are being 100% truthful in regards to everything you have said about this transaction it just makes me wonder.

Hi Cherie, I am so very sorry, for a one number typo error, thank you so much for bringing this to my attention, I really appreciate it. At today's rate, $2500. U.S. would be $3439.25 Canadian.

Please feel free to contact Kathy Scotts at Scotts Biewers to verify that everything I have said is 100% correct. Have a great weekend, Cherie!

[Cherie6446]

No problem, Sharon. Thanks for the reply.

[MarkFromSea]

My emphasis is just I hope the pup that is sick, gets well.

Thanks for bringing the issue of giardia to the forefront. Your story should help others.

Giardia in Dogs | Pets & Parasites: The Pet Owner's Parasite Resource

[misskate]

Wonder if we have gardia in Europe? I'll ask my vet this week when we go in for our checkups. Didn't even know it existed.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by misskate

Wonder if we have gardia in Europe? I'll ask my vet this week when we go in for our checkups. Didn't even know it existed.

The way it was explained to me when I was about 11 and backpacking, it's super common in wild animals in the woods/wild. Referred to as beaver fever and the #1 reason to boil water for a few minutes, then cooling, before drinking when taking your water from a lake or river. For backpackers, severe diarrhea from beaver fever causes dehydration and if they happen to be in high elevations, severe altitude sickness can result. This would only be pertinent in the Rockies and Cascades... LOL The East Coast only has hills! LOL

I would be VERY surprised if giardia isn't a world wide issue.

What I understood and still understand is that adult animals carry the parasite with little to no observable affects. It's the very young and very old that the parasite causes giardia.

This actually clears it up better with all the names: Giardia | Parasites | CDC

[misskate]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

The way it was explained to me when I was about 11 and backpacking, it's super common in wild animals in the woods/wild. Referred to as beaver fever and the #1 reason to boil water for a few minutes, then cooling, before drinking when taking your water from a lake or river. For backpackers, severe diarrhea from beaver fever causes dehydration and if they happen to be in high elevations, severe altitude sickness can result. This would only be pertinent in the Rockies and Cascades... LOL The East Coast only has hills! LOL

I would be VERY surprised if giardia isn't a world wide issue.

What I understood and still understand is that adult animals carry the parasite with little to no observable affects. It's the very young and very old that the parasite causes giardia.

This actually clears it up better with all the names: Giardia | Parasites | CDC

Mark, thanks so much for the reply. I will be reading the info you sent me. Thanks again

[tricia208]

Sharon, I am very sorry that you feel taken advantage of and that Kathy did everything wrong. The subject has been discussed fully so I think now it is time to enjoy your dogs and the holidays. I believe Kathy wants to post something but I would not blame her if she decided against it. I don't believe that anyone posting would remain open minded.

I stop posting on Yorkie Talk for this very reason. If I have a problem with someone I am doing business with I call and tell them. I have been attacked for just telling all of you who Kathy Scott is so you know more about her. I am guilty of something just because I know Kathy and provided more information about her.

Sharon, I read your post and appreciate you taking the time to respond. As you told me in a private message, you have people pushing you to destroy Kathy and to post all of these accusations. You accuse Zachary of being Kathy but you do not tell us who is pushing you to destroy Kathy. Your minds are made up and I will respect that but I will not be a part of the discussion and destruction anymore.

I hope everyone can move on from this and find some forgiveness for Kathy if you believe her to be wrong. Maybe reaching out to her and help her be a better breeder if that is indeed what you believe she needs. Solve the problem instead of creating this hate and drama.

I will not be reading any more of this post so replies will go unread. I like a more positive world about me. You are all dog lovers and I am sure you want to spend more time with these precious dogs. Hoping all of you have a peaceful holiday season.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by tricia208

Sharon, I am very sorry that you feel taken advantage of and that Kathy did everything wrong. The subject has been discussed fully so I think now it is time to enjoy your dogs and the holidays. I believe Kathy wants to post something but I would not blame her if she decided against it. I don't believe that anyone posting would remain open minded.

I stop posting on Yorkie Talk for this very reason. If I have a problem with someone I am doing business with I call and tell them. I have been attacked for just telling all of you who Kathy Scott is so you know more about her. I am guilty of something just because I know Kathy and provided more information about her.

Sharon, I read your post and appreciate you taking the time to respond. As you told me in a private message, you have people pushing you to destroy Kathy and to post all of these accusations. You accuse Zachary of being Kathy but you do not tell us who is pushing you to destroy Kathy. Your minds are made up and I will respect that but I will not be a part of the discussion and destruction anymore.

I hope everyone can move on from this and find some forgiveness for Kathy if you believe her to be wrong. Maybe reaching out to her and help her be a better breeder if that is indeed what you believe she needs. Solve the problem instead of creating this hate and drama.

I will not be reading any more of this post so replies will go unread. I like a more positive world about me. You are all dog lovers and I am sure you want to spend more time with these precious dogs. Hoping all of you have a peaceful holiday season.

Sharon still has a puppy with giardia and you are advising her to just enjoy her pup? Are you serious when you say this?

Sorry, but I have no reason whatsoever to reach out to your friend, the breeder being discussed. And, as for her maybe posting...gee it would be interesting to hear another personality of hers. You many not think Zachary is her, but I can assure you it is about 99% positively her. She really didn't do a good job of deflection as she intended. I laughed out loud when you suggested that WE should help a person who is selling living, breathing little pups to become a better breeder. Isn't that putting the cart before the horse??
It is HER job...or WAS her job to educate herself prior...which honestly I am sure she did. I believe she made a decision to do what many breeders do....keep the money and blame anything that happens on the person who bought the pup. pfft

Informing someone of your experience with a breeder is creating drama and hate? OMG such a typical thing to say. LOL that's what every breeder who gets nailed with something bad says...everyone is a hater....OH and the breeders in question almost always have sick family members and people are supposed to feel sorry for them...not the poor pups they care so little about. All those pups are to them is $$$$$. I have heard these songs over and over ad nauseum over the years. Your friend quite likely is used to BSing people and in this case she couldn't...then to top it off tried every way possible through Zachary D to accuse Sharon of doing something wrong..yet another breeder ploy. We have seen them all.

And by the way....no one, including you, was attacked. The only drama I saw was your friend logging in as another user and trying to insult peoples' intelligence. For instance...saying she has been a member for a while but just decided to post...YET it was right under her User ID that she had just joined. We are not stupid people here..... and we didn't create drama...she did. If she had a clue, she would have contacted Sharon and done the right thing from the start.

Guess you may not see this...but others will. It needed to be responded to.

[Scoobstersmom]

Originally Posted by tricia208

Sharon, I am very sorry that you feel taken advantage of and that Kathy did everything wrong. The subject has been discussed fully so I think now it is time to enjoy your dogs and the holidays. I believe Kathy wants to post something but I would not blame her if she decided against it. I don't believe that anyone posting would remain open minded.

I stop posting on Yorkie Talk for this very reason. If I have a problem with someone I am doing business with I call and tell them. I have been attacked for just telling all of you who Kathy Scott is so you know more about her. I am guilty of something just because I know Kathy and provided more information about her.

Sharon, I read your post and appreciate you taking the time to respond. As you told me in a private message, you have people pushing you to destroy Kathy and to post all of these accusations. You accuse Zachary of being Kathy but you do not tell us who is pushing you to destroy Kathy. Your minds are made up and I will respect that but I will not be a part of the discussion and destruction anymore.

I hope everyone can move on from this and find some forgiveness for Kathy if you believe her to be wrong. Maybe reaching out to her and help her be a better breeder if that is indeed what you believe she needs. Solve the problem instead of creating this hate and drama.

I will not be reading any more of this post so replies will go unread. I like a more positive world about me. You are all dog lovers and I am sure you want to spend more time with these precious dogs. Hoping all of you have a peaceful holiday season.

Tricia, I think forgiveness might be easier to come by if Kathy were willing to step up and admit she was wrong. As for the Giardia - eh, pups get it. I brought one home a few years ago that ended up getting very sick with it. I sucked it up, cleaned up after her, treated her three times before she cleared, and paid the bill for it. I was just about as pissed off as Sharon is for having to deal with it. BUT, she was a little rescue. I didn't pay thousands of dollars for her or fly half way across the country to pick her up. If I had, I sure as heck would have expected some response from the breeder and I would have expected her to honor her health agreement that I was getting a healthy pup and I would have expected her to put her money where her mouth is and at least cover the vet bills. Correct me if I'm wrong Sharon, but I don't think Kathy has done either one of those things.

Also, I think it was pretty tasteless on your part to refer to anything possibly said between you and Sharon in private message. Private messages are just that. Things people say PRIVATELY.

Diana

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Scoobstersmom

Tricia, I think forgiveness might be easier to come by if Kathy were willing to step up and admit she was wrong. As for the Giardia - eh, pups get it. I brought one home a few years ago that ended up getting very sick with it. I sucked it up, cleaned up after her, treated her three times before she cleared, and paid the bill for it. I was just about as pissed off as Sharon is for having to deal with it. BUT, she was a little rescue. I didn't pay thousands of dollars for her or fly half way across the country to pick her up. If I had, I sure as heck would have expected some response from the breeder and I would have expected her to honor her health agreement that I was getting a healthy pup and I would have expected her to put her money where her mouth is and at least cover the vet bills. Correct me if I'm wrong Sharon, but I don't think Kathy has done either one of those things.

Also, I think it was pretty tasteless on your part to refer to anything possibly said between you and Sharon in private message. Private messages are just that. Things people say PRIVATELY.

Diana

Pretty much says it all

[Cherie6446]

Sharon, I know we got off to a bad start but I want to tell you that I am sorry that you are having to deal with this parasite that won't go away and the never ending defense of a irresponsible breeder from a "concerned" friend. You should be enjoying lacy and not having to deal with meds and poop cleaning. I hope that this problem is resolved soon and you and lacy can begin a wonderful stress free life together.

[MarkFromSea]

I haven't read every post, but, something about this popped into my head a few days ago. Correct me if I'm wrong on the sequence of events: Original agreed upon puppy died and the breeder didn't tell the purchaser until she arrived at the airport? Two replacement pups to choose from were brought to the airport, but, one of those were also obviously sick? Did the purchaser end up selecting the last visually "healthy" dog out of the three pups? Then, it got sick immediately upon arriving at the purchaser's home? Could this be one of those genetic things or, is it that typical for that many in a litter to become ill, even deathly so? I understand if one has giardia it gets passed to the water bowl or feces and they all get it. If it's not that typical, common, then what do other breeders do to avoid or eliminate the occurrence of giardia in their litters? Extremely clean conditions inside and not letting them outside on grass or dirt? That sanitizer the shelters use?

[YorkieMomNYC]

I could be wrong, but I think the original post was query about whether it is mandatory/customary for breeders to test puppies for Giardia?

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

I haven't read every post, but, something about this popped into my head a few days ago. Correct me if I'm wrong on the sequence of events: Original agreed upon puppy died and the breeder didn't tell the purchaser until she arrived at the airport? Two replacement pups to choose from were brought to the airport, but, one of those were also obviously sick? Did the purchaser end up selecting the last visually "healthy" dog out of the three pups? Then, it got sick immediately upon arriving at the purchaser's home? Could this be one of those genetic things or, is it that typical for that many in a litter to become ill, even deathly so? I understand if one has giardia it gets passed to the water bowl or feces and they all get it. If it's not that typical, common, then what do other breeders do to avoid or eliminate the occurrence of giardia in their litters? Extremely clean conditions inside and not letting them outside on grass or dirt? That sanitizer the shelters use?