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[Lilah Charm]

Why Pet Shop Laws Affect You | Best In Show Daily | 2015

This article was posted by the AKC and talks about a series of laws being proposed around the country in regard to producing puppies. The AKC is expressing concern because the law seems to be stated in a very broad way that could harm very hard working, dedicated and well maintained breeders (like the ones we all want to support)- the language the proposed laws are using for example, refer to a puppy mill as anyone who sells more than six puppies a year (which for some breeds could easily be one litter).

I thought that since we are all likely to come across this proposed legislation and because the language being used would automatically incite a heartfelt response from such a caring group of people who most definitely do not want to support some of the horrible things that unfortunately do occur in the world of dogs, that it would be wise to share this article to help us have a more well rounded grasp on the matter of and when we have the opportunity to respond to it.

[lisaly]

Thanks for sharing this. I will not support pet stores that sell dogs, so I understand the need for regulations. Despite that, these laws would also hurt the ethical breeders who devote their lives to preserve, protect, and better their breeds they are so devoted to.

When I clicked your link the article was hidden mostly because of the advertising. Perhaps it's because I don't subscribe to that magazine. I googled the article and found it posted by the AKC. If these laws pass, the beautiful Yorkshire Terrier standard that I love will disappear in time. I believe we must take a stand to support the people whose blood, sweat, and tears produce healthy, happy, and beautiful representations of the breed we love.

Why Pet Shop Laws Affect You -- Part I: Definitions Matter: In Some Communities, If You Sell a Dog, You May Be A Pet Shop - American Kennel Club

[Yorkiemom1]

This is exactly what is going to happen....this is why I am going to wrap it up.....this has been brewing for a long time....I have neither the strength, drive, or purpose to fight these people any longer....and I can tell you, the ONLY people this is going to do any damage to, or drive out of business, are the honest small breeders......and you can thank PETA, ASPCA and a myriad of other "false prophets" that are simply trying to close down breeding animals in any form, the "eat plants not animals" people, the fanatics that want to assign LAWYERS to animal defendants......the extremest Cass "Stalin" Sunstein with his unbelievable views concerning animals and the relationship between humans and animals, actually charging humans with MURDER for butchering chickens, cows, pigs,etc for food.......

The irresponsible uneducated that breed strictly for income, that produce dozens and dozens of litters, "ooops" breedings, from God only knows what two dogs, with God only knows what genetic disasters, sold at flea markets, sides of the road, from trunks of cars....THOSE will all still be readily available to people, flying right under the radar, cash and carry, no registration papers because they are tracking breeders by the registration of puppies.....good luck with those disastrous heart breaks looking for a place to happen......

Hopefully, our reputable show breeders will continue to show and breed for the perfect example of a Yorkshire Terrier....there are breeders that euthanize puppies if they do not represent the finest the breed has to offer, so I guess that practice will be encouraged.....God forbid they try to recoup a portion of the unbelievable expense of showing and breeding by selling the puppies that will not make it to the ring.....I am sure when it is discovered that maybe those puppies are just "re-homed" to interested people just wanting a healthy puppy, the "fanatics" will fabricate a methodology, a way to shut THAT avenue down also.....

Thank God I have enough youngsters to last me until I come close to dying, if God sees fit to leave me here for another 10 years or so....and they are Rosehill babies, all healthy, all wonderful pets!

[gemy]

This is mimicking and taking even further with the legislation that we argued against in the past three years. Right now I canèt remember the acronoymns. But the threads are here.

I don;t necessarily agree with pet stores and what can go on in them. And AKC and CKC breeders can not sell to pet stores their puppies.... But if we close all the sales down where will folks get their puppies from? We show breeders and other ethical breeders can t possibly meet the market demand which is anywhere between 5-10 Million dogs a year!

It is a very sad state of affairs. Demand at 5million plus coupled with what 3-5million dogs a year euthanized? WTF? It makes no sense.

Breeding high quality dogs and raising the right way healthy happy finely structured and temperament puppies used to be lauded! REspected even. And now we have to defend ourselves at every turn.

Oh My you don\t neuter your dogs? You are a breeder? Why would you do this? The world does not need more dogs. What about all the dogs in shelters? Etc Etc Etc.

I was at a Health Event this wkend - and it was so very pleasant to be with a majority of folks who owned all breeds of dogs - many intact dogs - and we all got along together. Owners who knew how to control their dogs - watched body language moved away when their dog or my dog got too excited. No gasping or lecturing about an intact animal. God forfend that someone would actually keep a dog intact!! And believe you me many there were not breeders. But many were performance competitors and quite simply active dog owners. There were a variety of health seminars going on as well as health testing.

How lovely to see that a vet got - that we will be breeding her - should she pass her health tests! No lecturing at all - no surprised looks. Instead lovely compliments on her temperament her structure and soundness! How did we ever get to where we are? Inattention I suppose from we small breeders and our registeries we have supported for 30 + years.

[lisaly]

This is an article about APHIS and their regulations. It came out less than a month ago. You may be referring to this, Gail. The impact for small, hobby show breeders is so scary and insane!

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_we...e-guidance.pdf

[gemy]

tHANKS Lisa that is it.

[Lilah Charm]

Thanks for reposting that link Lisa, sometimes the campaigning ads will blow over my article too, I think it is actually a glitch in their system.

[Wylie's Mom]

When humans are unable to moderate their own behavior and instead cause real danger to others, then legislation does need to step in, in my opinion. My hope is that someday we *can* arrive at some reasonable legislation/laws that would protect animals from living cruelly, being abused, being birth machines for commodity etcetera. NOT having laws isn't working AT ALL, so we have to try something else entirely or it will never change.

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

When humans are unable to moderate their own behavior and instead cause real danger to others, then legislation does need to step in, in my opinion. My hope is that someday we *can* arrive at some reasonable legislation/laws that would protect animals from living cruelly, being abused, being birth machines for commodity etcetera. NOT having laws isn't working AT ALL, so we have to try something else entirely or it will never change.

I am not advocating for a lack of laws Ann, I completely agree with you. Sadly, there are some badly written laws that, like this campaign seems to be doing, take away the rights of dedicated hardworking breeders who are registering and liscencing their facilities- really meticulously managing their efforts and instead of regulating all of the horrific atrocities that occur outside of the carefully monitored facilities, continue to allow those behaviors to go unchecked while making it harder for all of those good breeders that we advocate for to continue to do what they are doing. Isn't it sad to think that Breeders we reccomend on this site would be called a puppy mill if more than six puppies left their house a year? We know better than that! My guess is that a Black Russian terrier like Dara would likely have a number like that or more in just one litter!

If we really want to see our breed protected and advocated for, then we need to protect their carefully managed lines and protect our dedicated breeders. For as many heartbreaking threads of ill health and deformity that grace the pages of yorkie talk we must remember that those are typically the by-products of bad breeding practices and that every puppy that does not represent the health, vigor and beauty that the Yorkshire terrier should then grows to reproduce without regulation continues to poison the health and integrity of our breed. With no caring, dedicated breeders to counteract that we will soon lose what we cherish about OUR breed.

I do believe that regulations are in order to protect what we value, but a law written using words like puppy mill but changing the definition of puppy mill to include a good breeder whose golden retriever has eight puppies in her one litter and is campaigning three bitches in show, do not support good breeding, do not protect those unregulated uncaring backyard breeders or uninspected mass production, disgusting facilities that produce oodles of ill health puppies in miserable conditions. We need carefully written legislation- not these crassly spat out ideas from people who do not have the facts using buzz words to pull the heart strings of caring animal lovers. That is an atrocity to not only our breeders but to be innocent people who think they are helping animals and most of all to the health and well being of our beloved breeds.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Lilah Charm

I am not advocating for a lack of laws Ann, I completely agree with you. Sadly, there are some badly written laws that, like this campaign seems to be doing, take away the rights of dedicated hardworking breeders who are registering and liscencing their facilities- really meticulously managing their efforts and instead of regulating all of the horrific atrocities that occur outside of the carefully monitored facilities, continue to allow those behaviors to go unchecked while making it harder for all of those good breeders that we advocate for to continue to do what they are doing. Isn't it sad to think that Breeders we reccomend on this site would be called a puppy mill if more than six puppies left their house a year? We know better than that! My guess is that a Black Russian terrier like Dara would likely have a number like that or more in just one litter!

If we really want to see our breed protected and advocated for, then we need to protect their carefully managed lines and protect our dedicated breeders. For as many heartbreaking threads of ill health and deformity that grace the pages of yorkie talk we must remember that those are typically the by-products of bad breeding practices and that every puppy that does not represent the health, vigor and beauty that the Yorkshire terrier should then grows to reproduce without regulation continues to poison the health and integrity of our breed. With no caring, dedicated breeders to counteract that we will soon lose what we cherish about OUR breed.

I do believe that regulations are in order to protect what we value, but a law written using words like puppy mill but changing the definition of puppy mill to include a good breeder whose golden retriever has eight puppies in her one litter and is campaigning three bitches in show, do not support good breeding, do not protect those unregulated uncaring backyard breeders or uninspected mass production, disgusting facilities that produce oodles of ill health puppies in miserable conditions. We need carefully written legislation- not these crassly spat out ideas from people who do not have the facts using buzz words to pull the heart strings of caring animal lovers. That is an atrocity to not only our breeders but to be innocent people who think they are helping animals and most of all to the health and well being of our beloved breeds.

You are absolutely correct average litter size is 7-8pups litters of 10 puppies or more are not un-common. And every breeder here will tell you that breeder will not be getting much sleep for at least 3 wks. You need to rotate the pups on the nipples. Likely one puppy will die - crushed or got too cold - despite your warming blankets under the huge litter box Despite you waking yourself up every hour or so to rotate. To check on Mama and the pups. You might need to supplement if mastitis happens or milk is not flowing in abundance. You ever wonder why commercial breeding facilities do not breed an abundance of large breed dogs. Too expensive to keep the breed - to provide the large spaces necessary nevermind the 4lbs or so a food a day a large to giant breed eats.

And average litter size for many medium breeds is also 6-8 pups.

So lets see we now won;t have any or very few in home large dog breeders as they will be flouting the law and being branded a puppy mill!!! We won;t have commercial breeders or very few - what happens when you want a large breed dog? Of course almost ditto most of the medium sized breeds like Goldens - Boxers - etc etc.

Enforce the laws you already have on the books. Stiffen the penalties and for goodness sakes don\t plea deal away existing penalties and jail time.

When you the law make it too difficult for good breeders to follow-when you ostracize our very passion and love and slur our reputation by laughable and inappropriate numbers what would any sane person do? Walk away. Don't even get started - of course in a decade there might be no good purebreds left in NOrth America to get started with! Problem solved? Right????