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ironmike86 · 03-11-2015, 08:06 PM

My breeder had a webcam. I could see pic 24/7. Pretty nice had the app on my phone. I bought a webcam like it so when I'm gone I can seem my dogs. They just lay there. Sleep

Corfield · 03-12-2015, 06:50 AM

In the UK 1 in every 2 enquiries are for "Teacup Yorkies".

It is buyers that are most responsible for what breeders do because they create the demand.

There is only so much you can do to educate a cretin hell bent on buying a weak puppy to meet their fantasies.

OFC this doesn't excuse unethical breeders, but it is not difficult to do a bit of research and not visit a breeder who is clearly trying to market something thats not remotely in line with breed standards.

Obviously there is a lot of variation within a breed and unless you are buying a dog capable of being shown (in which case expect to need to do a lot more homework and pay a lot more for it) it doesn't do well to expect a dog that is a carbon copy of published breed standards.

It is easy to sell to morons (you just tell them what they want to hear) and there are plenty of "Teacup Yorkie" buyers that end up with dogs the size of Spaniels or large vet bills.

I had one person tell me their "Teacup Yorkie" died very young but all she and her husband could talk about was how great it was they could fit him in their pocket. They didn't react kindly to me telling them they were responsible for that dogs suffering and we here trying to buy another.

Ingridrose · 03-12-2015, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

My breeder sends me updated pics every week, I've helped her become more techno savvy as well lol. U should feel comfortable enough with your breeder that you'll be able to ask her anything concerning your pup without feeling embarrassed.

Typically, I get a video everyday or a picture....I get my puppy fix....lol
Its the best with these smart phones....she sends them to me via text message and now I have all pictures/video to save...and can always look back at them whenever...LOL

gemy · 03-12-2015, 11:34 AM

There is a stickey on how to evaluate a puppy for the pet buyer. Please go to the library and read it.

gracielove · 03-12-2015, 06:27 PM

Sadly, there are far more bad breeders than good breeders. Puppy mills breed hundreds of thousands of dogs yearly. There are backyard breeders in just about every town, city and village, not to mention rural areas of the country. None of them give a hoot about the careful genetic background that goes into breeding sound purebred specimens.

I would advise anyone who is thinking of buying a purebred pup to investigate the breed and it's origins. Learn what a purebred actually is and how the physical characteristics and temperament of the breed are created and maintained. Then go to a breeder and see if they can answer your questions in a knowledgeable fashion. An informed buyer cannot be scammed.

Yes, you only want a pet, but you want a healthy pet that actually looks and acts like the breed you are attracted to. Poor breeding practices produce lovely pups - most pups are adorable- but what you end up with can be not only disappointing but heartbreaking if that pup has a health problem or a genetic defect or even a temperament problem.

A knowledgeable and caring breeder can help you avoid those problems and you will not have to pay some outrageous price for a puppy that is a far cry from the breed standard. If you don't care about quality then go to a rescue and help those poor babies that need new homes. Don't pay your hard earned money to someone who is using the breed to make a fast buck without regard to harm they are doing to those dogs and the new owners.

megansmomma · 03-12-2015, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

I can't attach the correct link but it's
Exquisite Yorkshire Terrier Golddust

She's got a FB page and a website. IDK....but those puppies do not look like Yorkies to me at all. They look more like my Doodlebug who is a Yorkie/Maltese mix. This is from her website:

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Most of my dogs have been shown and evaluated by judges in the show ring to ensure my foundation dogs are up to the high standards that I have set for my breeding program. With the judges awarding them Multi Best in Show’s along with them gaining Multi-Championship & Multi-International Championship titles we feel we are on the right path to producing some of the best Exquisite Golddust & Biewer Yorkshire Terrier puppies available in the United States.

What exactly does "show" mean in this sentence?

You cannot show a Yorkies that is anything except the traditional colors.

ironmike86 · 03-12-2015, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma

She's got a FB page and a website. IDK....but those puppies do not look like Yorkies to me at all. They look more like my Doodlebug who is a Yorkie/Maltese mix. This is from her website:

What exactly does "show" mean in this sentence?

You cannot show a Yorkies that is anything except the traditional colors.

You can show in other clubs just not AKC. But most Breeder who show always show off there ribbons?? With there dogs?? Its there life.

ironmike86 · 03-12-2015, 07:22 PM

Ahh she does show ribbons from the Nakc??

BorderKelpie · 03-12-2015, 10:55 PM

Oh, wow! scrapindee, Dallas is perfect!

gracielove · 03-15-2015, 12:28 PM

If someone claims to have show quality dogs then just ask them what AKC affiliated clubs they belong to and what breed association they belong to. People who are serious about maintaining the well being of a breed will be affiliated with these groups. Ask about what lines their breeding stock came from. All purebreds came from some good foundation stock but how far they are from that foundation stock will help determine how badly the line has been abused. Ask to look at the pedigree. Any good breeder will be able to email you or mail you a copy. This goes for pet quality as well.

People can claim to have their stock "evaluated" all they want but unless they have bought their breeding stock from a line that has not been contaminated by poor breeding practices then they are just rip off artists. Sadly enough, there are many of them out there pretending to have some new kind of color or type that are the result of a poor mix of bloodlines that gave an off standard result and possibly some serous genetic weakening.

The ribbons can be bought very easily.

gemy · 03-15-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ironmike86

You can show in other clubs just not AKC. But most Breeder who show always show off there ribbons?? With there dogs?? Its there life.

Iron Mike good to know - I have all my ribbons both AKC and CKC up in my grooming room - I also have the with judge pics from AKC and CKC group wins.

You think I should pose my champions with their ribbons? I was just thinking of showing the group wins with judges. ...

ironmike86 · 03-15-2015, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gemy

Iron Mike good to know - I have all my ribbons both AKC and CKC up in my grooming room - I also have the with judge pics from AKC and CKC group wins.

You think I should pose my champions with their ribbons? I was just thinking of showing the group wins with judges. ...

My point was if someone is selling their pups and saying how many titles there dogs have. Theres always pics. The Judge ,dog owner pic with the highest title is what I would expect to see. If I was trying to show off my dog. Which I see nothing wrong with it. Takes alot of work. My Winnie is a "Pet" quality. She looks good but I like to look at her Grandpa 2011 BOB Westminster and WC Oliver Lightsome and all the other CH in her lines. So if I'm pushing my dog that what I would do. Every personal page breeders always have pics. Everyone is proud of there babies. I've seen ppl try to sell dogs from Champion lines. Westminster winners. But the lines were from 10yrs ago and hasn't been a Ch since. But still want $2k

gracielove · 03-15-2015, 12:49 PM

In the US the only reputable dog association is the AKC. In Canada there is the CKC. There is also a ckc registry in the US that is worthless.

Most people who show dogs and win have their photos taken at the show with the judge and ribbons. I would not accept a photo of ribbons as evidence of the quality of a breeders dogs. The pedigree would be the first thing to look at. Some breeders put their show photos on their websites.

I have ribbons that I won years ago with my cats. People can get ribbons from the same places that the various associations buy theirs.

gemy · 03-15-2015, 12:50 PM

Got it! So my group wins are fine then - don't need to show more - other than their performance title wins.

scrapindee · 03-16-2015, 01:21 PM

Sorry to burst a few bubbles here but AKC is not the ONLY show venue. Many Biewer breeders and owners show their dogs in the Rare Breed show rings/venues. I show my Biewers with IABCA, ICKC, ICE and ARBA. The shows with these venues are judged by AKC judges.

All the puppies are so playfull. I'm beginning to look for their furever homes.

03-12-2015, 06:50 AM	#32
Corfield Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: UK Posts: 64	In the UK 1 in every 2 enquiries are for "Teacup Yorkies". It is buyers that are most responsible for what breeders do because they create the demand. There is only so much you can do to educate a cretin hell bent on buying a weak puppy to meet their fantasies. OFC this doesn't excuse unethical breeders, but it is not difficult to do a bit of research and not visit a breeder who is clearly trying to market something thats not remotely in line with breed standards. Obviously there is a lot of variation within a breed and unless you are buying a dog capable of being shown (in which case expect to need to do a lot more homework and pay a lot more for it) it doesn't do well to expect a dog that is a carbon copy of published breed standards. It is easy to sell to morons (you just tell them what they want to hear) and there are plenty of "Teacup Yorkie" buyers that end up with dogs the size of Spaniels or large vet bills. I had one person tell me their "Teacup Yorkie" died very young but all she and her husband could talk about was how great it was they could fit him in their pocket. They didn't react kindly to me telling them they were responsible for that dogs suffering and we here trying to buy another. Last edited by Corfield; 03-12-2015 at 06:53 AM.

03-12-2015, 11:34 AM	#34
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,340 Blog Entries: 2	There is a stickey on how to evaluate a puppy for the pet buyer. Please go to the library and read it. __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018

03-15-2015, 12:50 PM	#44
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,340 Blog Entries: 2	Got it! So my group wins are fine then - don't need to show more - other than their performance title wins. __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018

03-16-2015, 01:21 PM	#45
scrapindee Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redlands Posts: 4,842 Blog Entries: 2	Sorry to burst a few bubbles here but AKC is not the ONLY show venue. Many Biewer breeders and owners show their dogs in the Rare Breed show rings/venues. I show my Biewers with IABCA, ICKC, ICE and ARBA. The shows with these venues are judged by AKC judges. All the puppies are so playfull. I'm beginning to look for their furever homes. __________________ Scrapindee--Team Furry & the Biewers www.houseofwags.com

03-11-2015, 08:06 PM	#31
ironmike86 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,628	My breeder had a webcam. I could see pic 24/7. Pretty nice had the app on my phone. I bought a webcam like it so when I'm gone I can seem my dogs. They just lay there. Sleep

03-12-2015, 06:27 PM	#35
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	Sadly, there are far more bad breeders than good breeders. Puppy mills breed hundreds of thousands of dogs yearly. There are backyard breeders in just about every town, city and village, not to mention rural areas of the country. None of them give a hoot about the careful genetic background that goes into breeding sound purebred specimens. I would advise anyone who is thinking of buying a purebred pup to investigate the breed and it's origins. Learn what a purebred actually is and how the physical characteristics and temperament of the breed are created and maintained. Then go to a breeder and see if they can answer your questions in a knowledgeable fashion. An informed buyer cannot be scammed. Yes, you only want a pet, but you want a healthy pet that actually looks and acts like the breed you are attracted to. Poor breeding practices produce lovely pups - most pups are adorable- but what you end up with can be not only disappointing but heartbreaking if that pup has a health problem or a genetic defect or even a temperament problem. A knowledgeable and caring breeder can help you avoid those problems and you will not have to pay some outrageous price for a puppy that is a far cry from the breed standard. If you don't care about quality then go to a rescue and help those poor babies that need new homes. Don't pay your hard earned money to someone who is using the breed to make a fast buck without regard to harm they are doing to those dogs and the new owners.

03-12-2015, 07:22 PM	#38
ironmike86 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,628	Ahh she does show ribbons from the Nakc??

03-12-2015, 10:55 PM	#39
BorderKelpie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: TX USA Posts: 234	Oh, wow! scrapindee, Dallas is perfect!

03-15-2015, 12:28 PM	#40
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	If someone claims to have show quality dogs then just ask them what AKC affiliated clubs they belong to and what breed association they belong to. People who are serious about maintaining the well being of a breed will be affiliated with these groups. Ask about what lines their breeding stock came from. All purebreds came from some good foundation stock but how far they are from that foundation stock will help determine how badly the line has been abused. Ask to look at the pedigree. Any good breeder will be able to email you or mail you a copy. This goes for pet quality as well. People can claim to have their stock "evaluated" all they want but unless they have bought their breeding stock from a line that has not been contaminated by poor breeding practices then they are just rip off artists. Sadly enough, there are many of them out there pretending to have some new kind of color or type that are the result of a poor mix of bloodlines that gave an off standard result and possibly some serous genetic weakening. The ribbons can be bought very easily.

03-15-2015, 12:49 PM	#43
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	In the US the only reputable dog association is the AKC. In Canada there is the CKC. There is also a ckc registry in the US that is worthless. Most people who show dogs and win have their photos taken at the show with the judge and ribbons. I would not accept a photo of ribbons as evidence of the quality of a breeders dogs. The pedigree would be the first thing to look at. Some breeders put their show photos on their websites. I have ribbons that I won years ago with my cats. People can get ribbons from the same places that the various associations buy theirs.