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Old 01-11-2006, 10:32 AM   #1
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Hi Everyone,

I'm about to send a deposit to a breeder for a male Yorkie puppy that will be neutered. There are three dogs in the litter that were born three weeks ago. I wonder what stipulations I should mention in the letter accompanying the deposit. I've thought to include:

return of my deposit should any of the following conditions apply

approximate size of the puppy (we don't want one smaller than four pounds)

health guarentee to include any genetic or congenital defects

the right to return the puppy if our veterinarian finds a problem

AKC papers when we get the puppy

Can you think of anything else I should include? I want to protect my deposit in case something should go wrong with either of the males.

I would very much appreciate any advice or insights you could give me. Better safe than sorry!
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just a suggestion when I receive deposits, I send a copy of my contract to the buyer via email download, I then request the buyer to sign it and return with their deposit, once paid in full they get the original signed with both mine and their signature, I keep a copy for my records. If you like read my contract it will give you some idea if your breeder doesnt have a contract ask them to write you one.

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That's exactly what the breeder I got Cali from did. But I went there so see Cali at 6 weeks and put 1/2 down.
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Hi Everyone,

I'm about to send a deposit to a breeder for a male Yorkie puppy that will be neutered. There are three dogs in the litter that were born three weeks ago. I wonder what stipulations I should mention in the letter accompanying the deposit. I've thought to include:

return of my deposit should any of the following conditions apply

approximate size of the puppy (we don't want one smaller than four pounds)

health guarentee to include any genetic or congenital defects

the right to return the puppy if our veterinarian finds a problem

AKC papers when we get the puppy

Can you think of anything else I should include? I want to protect my deposit in case something should go wrong with either of the males.

I would very much appreciate any advice or insights you could give me. Better safe than sorry!
You most likely will be asked to sign the breeders contract instead of her signing something like this for you. You can tell her what you would like your puppy to be and ask lots of questions to make sure you are getting what you want but you shouldn't be "stipulating" anything to her since it seems the deal has already been made.. Hopefully, you have already discussed most of these things with her before you committed to sending the deposit. Oh and one more thing, no breeder in her right mind will guarantee size. All they can say is what they think and sometimes that is way off thru no fault of the breeder. If I were you, I would "ask' if there is a health guarantee. If not, you shouldn't send the deposit. Again, these things should have already been discussed between the two of you. My contract also said that the AKC papers would be mailed to me when the breeder recieves them from AKC.
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just a suggestion when I receive deposits, I send a copy of my contract to the buyer via email download, I then request the buyer to sign it and return with their deposit, once paid in full they get the original signed with both mine and their signature, I keep a copy for my records. If you like read my contract it will give you some idea if your breeder doesnt have a contract ask them to write you one.

http://yorkiepassion.com/contract.htm

hope this helps
Your contract says the deposit is "non-refundable". I think this member was looking for the contingencies to request so that her deposit would be refunded.

Have you considered using a puppy escrow service? Is this a long distance purchase? Is the puppy being shipped? There is a nominal fee and it well worth it and protects the breeder and the buyer.
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You most likely will be asked to sign the breeders contract instead of her signing something like this for you. You can tell her what you would like your puppy to be and ask lots of questions to make sure you are getting what you want but you shouldn't be "stipulating" anything to her since it seems the deal has already been made.. Hopefully, you have already discussed most of these things with her before you committed to sending the deposit. Oh and one more thing, no breeder in her right mind will guarantee size. All they can say is what they think and sometimes that is way off thru no fault of the breeder. If I were you, I would "ask' if there is a health guarantee. If not, you shouldn't send the deposit. Again, these things should have already been discussed between the two of you. My contract also said that the AKC papers would be mailed to me when the breeder recieves them from AKC.
A contract is between two people and everyone has a right to state what they would like the contract to say. If there is anything in the breeder's contract you do not agree with after you review it, you should discuss it and reach an agreement, and then interlineate the changes or redraft the contract to say what the agreement is. If the breeder has agreed to something verbally that is not in the written contract, go ahead and add it and have her initial it and you do the same.

Just because the breeder has a boilerplate contract does not mean that you cannot negotiate different terms or have verbally agreed upon terms added. Don't be intimidated or afraid to ask. This is a huge commitment...you are taking on the responsibility for a life and it should be under the terms that you are confortable with.

Imo, you should have a separate agreement as to the terms of the deposit and under what situation it is refundable. I have never had a breeder take a deposit from me and tell me it is non-refundable. The breeders I dealt with never have a problem selling their pups so if I had decided not to purchase one for whatever reason, my deposit would have been refunded. They told me that would not want someone to feel obligated to get a puppy from them if their circumstances changed or they found a different puppy they wanted. These are breeders with waiting lists so they are not inconvenienced and they do not lose money as a result of this.

For example, there was an instance where I was third in line to get a female out of a particular litter that was unborn and I sent in $300 to hold my spot in line. Well, the female only had males so I got my deposit back because this breeder knew I was looking for a female puppy out of that dog and tht bitch and she wasn't going to be breeding that combination again for over two years so she encouraged me to continue my search and returned my money.

Hope this helped and good luck with your new puppy!
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Thank you all for giving me such good advice. The breeder did not ask me to sign a contract; all our conversations have been verbal (either over the phone or in her home). I suggested a deposit because I wanted to insure that we got first choice of one of the males. For that reason, I wanted to have something in writing to protect my deposit. The breeder we are working with comes well recommended, and I am very comfortable purchasing a puppy from her. In fact, should everything continue to go well, and after the puppy is home with us and given the OK by our veterinarian, I would be happy to share her name with anyone who is searching for a puppy in upstate New York. Again, thank you for your help.
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I'm not a breeder, but am trying to be fair.

I think a breeder can give you a reasonable and probable estimate of the size a puppy will be when it's full grown. But, I'm sure no one can guarantee this.

Also - there certainly are some problems - congenital and otherwise - that are not apparent in small pups - but may show up later. I do believe it is a breeder's responsibility to give you a healthy little puppy - but I don't think we can expect them to guarantee that our new pup will never ever have any health problems.

Yes - most breeders do want you to take your puppy to a vet as soon as possible (within a day or two following purchase) and most will take the puppy back (and return any money you have paid) if the vet finds any serious health problems that they were unaware of.

Some other things I would look at for myself are the puppies appearance, behaviour, and personality. Most of us know what a healthy little pup should look like and how it should behave - and more often than not, there are one or two in any litter that we can easily love. We should also (as best we can) try and determine the personality of any little puppy we get. After all, we are going to live together for a long long time.

The only other important thing I can think of is ---- know your breeder's history and reputation.... This, in itself, will help keep you from being disappointed in many different ways.

One of my 10-year-old little dogs became diabetic. How could the breeder have foreseen this! It didn't happen to two of her sisters that I know. And, it wouldn't have kept me from loving and enjoying her anyway. This little dog was diabetic, had two shots a day, and was perfectly healthy otherwise.

Good luck!

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