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[jenskwan]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Jenskwan -- just fyi, we are able to track your IP Addresses and while it does indeed appear that Diane initially registered her account in Wisconsin -- it is clear that *you* are doing all the posting for her from Ontario, Canada.

Here I was commending Diane for her open response and willingness to come here when all along it's you posting for her. This is so dishonest.

Why are you posting as if you are Diane? Shouldn't Diane speak for her own breeding program?

As I have already mentioned in previous posts, I am a social media admin for Firebrand Yorkies. I assist Diane with her website, her Facebook page, Pinterest, and forums such as this one. I was the one who originally found this thread and immediately brought it to the attention of Diane. She sent her response to me in the form of an email, asked me to spell/grammar check it, and post it on here on YorkieTalk.

However, our single concern here is not to defend the authenticity of my identity, it is to communicate Firebrand Yorkies' desire to resolve a pending issue with the OP, Zook4mud. The OP has already stated: "She messaged us privately last night and we are to be having a conference call tonight. I look forward to talking to her and being able to come on here and tell you all we have come to an agreement."

Any further questions can be PM'd to myself or Diane directly.

[Zook4mud]

I want to thank whomever gave Wyliesmom the tip. I dont really know what to say. Or what to think anymore. I am just trying to digest all this new information and keep my head clear.........................................I feel like laughing to keep myself from crying.

[sugarmamma]

Originally Posted by Zook4mud

I want to thank whomever gave Wyliesmom the tip. I dont really know what to say. Or what to think anymore. I am just trying to digest all this new information and keep my head clear.........................................I feel like laughing to keep myself from crying.

This is the thread that first brought it to light.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-nm-ships.html

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by jenskwan

As I have already mentioned in previous posts, I am a social media admin for Firebrand Yorkies. I assist Diane with her website, her Facebook page, Pinterest, and forums such as this one. I was the one who originally found this thread and immediately brought it to the attention of Diane. She sent her response to me in the form of an email, asked me to spell/grammar check it, and post it on here on YorkieTalk.

However, our single concern here is not to defend the authenticity of my identity, it is to communicate Firebrand Yorkies' desire to resolve a pending issue with the OP, Zook4mud. The OP has already stated: "She messaged us privately last night and we are to be having a conference call tonight. I look forward to talking to her and being able to come on here and tell you all we have come to an agreement."

Any further questions can be PM'd to myself or Diane directly.

Social Media Rep?? And you don't know how to say, my friend the breeder just sent this to me via email and asked me to post it???
Riiiight. And to anyone who buys this nonsense, I have a bridge to sell.....

To the OP, I would be VERY careful with this conference call tonight. Be prepared for anything. This person seems more interested in rehabbing her name than in doing the right thing. Just MY take on it, of course.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Jenskwan -- just fyi, we are able to track your IP Addresses and while it does indeed appear that Diane initially registered her account in Wisconsin -- it is clear that *you* are doing all the posting for her from Ontario, Canada.

Here I was commending Diane for her open response and willingness to come here when all along it's you posting for her. This is so dishonest.

Why are you posting as if you are Diane? Shouldn't Diane speak for her own breeding program?

wow, just wow..... I am a bit confused here, in one of Jenskwan"s post she wrote she does "volunteer" work for "this Diane person", that's some heck of a commute don't ya think!!!!!!.....also in one of her posts it was "we" this and "we" that, someone asked with all the "we's" she wrote was she a partner....... In any case, I do hope the zook4mud family can work this out with the REAL Diane, the deceitful way this is going, will the zook4mud family speak to this Diane or to Jen????
Will the real Diane please step forward.
GOOD WORK ANN

[KazzyK810]

Extremely shady...

I knew the "we" and "our" were slipping out so easily for this Jen character. Will the real Diane Schelach please stand up!

OP I would record this "conference call" tonight.

[matese]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Extremely shady...

I knew the "we" and "our" were slipping out so easily for this Jen character. Will the real Diane Schelach please stand up!

OP I would record this "conference call" tonight.

ohhhh yeah, I 2nd the motion to record, and have plenty of aspirin on hand. Don't forget to ask "is it ok to record this conversation" recorded conversation is not legal without callers approval. iyiyi, I need the aspirin now.

[chachi]

The spokesperson could be posting for the breeder we dont know for sure so we just have to take her word for it. The important thing is the breeder is going to have communication with the OP we will have to see where it goes from there

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by chachi

The spokesperson could be posting for the breeder we dont know for sure so we just have to take her word for it. The important thing is the breeder is going to have communication with the OP we will have to see where it goes from there

The behavior is still shady, IMO.

Full disclosure and clarity would have helped if that is the situation. Signing on under another person's account and representing yourself as them, is shady as hell...but not that surprising given the progress of this situation.

I hope this social mediaadmin position is not a paid one. As she has done nothing to reflect on firebrand and its breeder in a positive way. And as for her comments about our forum, its members, and their opinions...for a social media admin, she appears to have a very poor understanding of online forums, and clearly has no concept of the scope of website admins to track IP addresses.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

The behavior is still shady, IMO.

Full disclosure and clarity would have helped if that is the situation. Signing on under another person's account and representing yourself as them, is shady as hell...but not that surprising given the progress of this situation.

I hope this social mediaadmin position is not a paid one. As she has done nothing to reflect on firebrand and its breeder in a positive way. And as for her comments about our forum, its members, and their opinions...for a social media admin, she appears to have a very poor understanding of online forums, and clearly has no concept of the scope of website admins to track IP addresses.

Actually I just read the other thread on this breeder and Im wondering if this spokesperson is actually the breeders broker. Thats what makes sense to me anyway

[SophieKatesMom]

I really tried to keep quiet and read but I need to add that as the breeders "social media representative" she was totally out of line and unethical representing herself as the breeder.


OP, I hope you get your money back and I am so sorry you had to go through this terrible experience with Cash. My advice to you is if and when you decide to add another fur baby to the family you come to Yorkie Talk and ask for recommendations on a good breeder (or even a rescue).


Side note and just my own personal opinion, I know many small business owners, all use social media as a way of promoting their business. NONE of them have a social media representative.


I have worked in Marketing for over 30 years I can tell you that "rule #1 is protecting your brand" when someone is impersonating the business owner/breeder its speak volumes on the whole operation.

[kreuer]

This is interesting. Turns out she breeds and sell cats as well. I would think being so sick, she wouldn't have the times to breed both dogs and cats!


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[lynzy420]

Normally I report these things but I'm going to ask admin here please check the IP addresses of the breeder and Diane? As I previously said I was a proofreader and I see very similar styles of "speech" blah blah blah....If I'm wrong I will apologize.


Thank You 107Barney for your translations and your wise words...


At the end of the day this breeder is going through all this to avoid paying the purchaser....at the end of the day it comes down to the almighty dollar...

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Normally I report these things but I'm going to ask admin here please check the IP addresses of the breeder and Diane? As I previously said I was a proofreader and I see very similar styles of "speech" blah blah blah....If I'm wrong I will apologize.


Thank You 107Barney for your translations and your wise words...


At the end of the day this breeder is going through all this to avoid paying the purchaser....at the end of the day it comes down to the almighty dollar...

Never mind I see the ever clairvoyant Wylie's Mom already took care of this lol!!!! Go Ann!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

The breeders here can probably best describe what is considered a "manageable" amount of puppies annually....and/or what is manageable in terms of # of females and whatnot. Hopefully they will chime in with experience.

Whether or not it's overproduction is so tough to say bc, just for example -- we have some really horrendous BYB (backyard breeders) out there (and this isn't even counting the Puppy Mills) - and many of those said BYBers are considered unethical breeders - so then one could/would say that even producing 1 pup out of that program would be "over production", know what I mean?

Whereas some Show/Exhibitor breeders, who breed for the betterment of the breed (or, should be) may produce only 1 litter every year or 2. Some breed a few a year. It really just depends. But the point is that they breed very conspicuously, and breed for a targeted reason in most cases....they don't really breed for the purpose of providing pets only.

I am late to the party as usual. But I will try to answer this as a show breeder representing only myself and my own opinions. I *abhor* the word used *production* of puppies, what are we selling cars????


In my viewpoint, I only breed when I can at least maintain to the breed standard and have a hopefull chance to improve the breed. I will have a waiting list of potential puppy buyers, maybe not for say a 8 litter size, but at least 1/2 a potential litter has folks on my waiting list. And I kept a few folks on a waiting list for 3years!!!!


I spend years studying, raising, showing to Championships in two countries along with working titles on my dogs. Then I do all the breed specific health testing for my dam and make sure it is done for the sire I may choose. For my sires I do the same. It is very likely that most if not all of the litter might be sold as Pet Only dogs. Dogs worthy to be bred are few and far between! But it is a researched hope I have. I will not and will never breed willy nilly.


You as the breeder are responsible for bringing into this world healthy puppys, you are also responsible for finding good homes for those pups. You are responsible for ensuring that you have the resources, financial, emotional, and your own health to successfully raise and place these wonderfull beings into good homes.


But life can throw curve balls at you at the most un-expected times. And when that happens that you get sick, you certainly don't breed again until you are well. Or you have a plan in place, with a trusted and experienced junior breeder to help you out with the raising and rearing of your puppies, and the *business* of your kennel.


With this many females having been bred, this kennel falls under APHIS new regulations and should be licensed........ And now that this has been made public, well if she is in non compliance a complaint can be lodged...


I think mayhap Diane is the name of her friend and volunteer. Well Diane you have opened up a serious kettle of fish for your breeder friend, if she has not followed the new regulations.


In terms of contract and breach thereof, all I will say is, it is best for the two to talk directly with each other, and avoidance of the issue, never results in good results for the breeder......


I have no idea if the contract is as stipulated (despite a scanned document which may or may not be the actual contract), but the OP laid forth their story very clearly and succinctly. I do hope that this breeder communicates with the parties and comes to an agreed go forward remedy.