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09-15-2014, 05:02 PM | #121 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Magnolia Illinois USA
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| Wow My sweet Lambeau came from a byb....I know that I must be the lowest of lows to those of you who feel so strongly against this practice...my dog is healthy and well mannered and the joy of my life. He gets regular vet checks and is well socialized. I can't help but feel like I'm not quite good enough to share with those of you who got their dog the 'right' way. It's posts like this that keeps me from participating. I come & read posts to keep up with the latest news in the Yorkie world, this sight is an amazing wealth of knowledge. So I'll continue lurking for the latest news but I think I'll stay in the fringes. |
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09-15-2014, 05:10 PM | #122 | |
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You must be lurking in the wrong sections because many many many of us have gotten our dogs from byb's, puppymills, etc....but not intentionally, we weren't educated and ended up at YT because of problems with our pups and we now advocate against them because of our education and experience. If you intentionally purchased a pup from a byb and knew this going in that's on you but I wonder why you would want to perpetuate the problem of these kinds of breeders/greeders/etc....
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09-15-2014, 05:10 PM | #123 | |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
09-15-2014, 05:12 PM | #124 | |
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09-15-2014, 05:58 PM | #125 | |
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__________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything." | |
09-15-2014, 06:18 PM | #126 | |
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| Just post & let others post. What you like, you take w/you, what you don't like, leave it. There's so many different types of flowers, animals, insects, reptiles, fishies (& the list goes on) in the world...there's lots of different people too. Let's all try to get along. Quote:
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09-15-2014, 06:21 PM | #127 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Yet again I will continue to post that there are NO GENETIC TESTS for Yorkies that cover LP, HD, ED, Leggs Perthes, LS, MVD, Hypothryoidism et al. There are how-ever screening tests that should be done on the breeding pair. BATS for Liver function sic LS MVD. Specific blood work for Thryoid problems. Eye exams for PRA and Cataracts. LP examination by Vets and submitted to the OFA. Cardiac Problems - again Screening tests. Hearing - BAER test A genetic test for a simple autosomal dominate trait will tell the breeder if the dog has this prior to breeding the dog. There are very well known consequences and inheritance patterns for breeding a dog with such a condition. The very most a breeder can do is screen for what they can, insure the other side of the breeding pair has indeed been screened, look at the pedigrees and health of offspring from each breeding dog, and then make the decision to breed or not. In Summary there are as of yet NO Relevant Genetic Tests for Yorkies. Perhaps possible exception of PRA
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09-15-2014, 07:02 PM | #128 | |
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09-15-2014, 07:43 PM | #129 | |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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THIS post hurts MY feelings! So shall I wring my hands and run away????????? Maybe I can get it deleted???? NOT! There is nothing outside the parameters of proper socially acceptable posting rules and behavior, so it stands! All I am going to say is PLEASE do NOT judge me or what I think or believe about other people, unless it comes directly from my own lips to God's ears. I am one of those who "feels very strongly about supporting BYB and puppy mills". Unless a person knows in their heart they are dealing with a BYB or a puppy mill, then that person is no worse than most of us that got taken advantage of by these people. If the person KNOWS they are dealing with unethical, greedy breeders that could care less about health issues they are producing with their breeding programs, then dont be looking for sympathy from me when the pup goes south on you.....my heart will break for the poor innocent pup, but that is as far as I concern myself with your misfortune! "LOWEST OF LOWS"???? The only person that is relegated to that level, in MY mind, is THE BREEDER!!! NOT YOU!!! Not anyone that is a victim of a puppy mill.....please do not project your guilt about yourself, on me!!! This is just like the poster that said her dog "must be crap", apparently according to what SHE thinks YT members seem to feel....stop trying to make YT members look like over judgemental, closed minded, hostile nincompoops that feel that we are elitists and have no concern or feelings for people that make mistakes. This is crazy! Do not think for one minute you can even suppose to know what I think about people that are taken advantage of by unethical, irresponsible, dishonest, incompassionate, selfish, unaccountable, greedy "breeders" that prey on vulnerable people! By the way.....I happen to think it is wonderful that your pup is healthy and happy and I hope he continues for a very long time in excellent health! Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 09-15-2014 at 07:47 PM. | |
09-15-2014, 07:46 PM | #130 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Hip Dysplasia and Elbow Dysplasia. Elbows are rarely done in Yorkies so the prevalence is unknown. How-ever along with HD Leggs Perthes rears its ugly head. Somewhere around 7-8 months old usually the owner notices altered gait and goes to the vet. Leggs Perthes happens because of lack of blood supply to the femoral head. The head of the femur begins to disintegrate, it is painfull and the only remedy is surgery. It is thought to be a polygenetic condition --- and no genetic tests are available for this disease. HD is thought to be on the rise A different pathology, but if severe, is as disabling as Leggs Perthes. To understand a bit, cup one of your hands and make a fist with the other, and place the fist into the palm/cup of the other hand. That is the hip joint and should fit snugly into the cup. The cup is called the acetabulum, and the fist is the head of the femur bone/ thigh bone. With HD either the acetabulum is too shallow or too wide, and or the ball or end of the femur is too large or too small, in any case the hip joint does not fit snugly. Again another condition that is thought to be polygenetic, and there are NO Genetic Tests for it. With small breeds and particularly with very mild cases of HD or ED, they actually never get diagnosed. But as the dog ages into their senior years apparent *early* arthritis seems to creep in. With severe cases of HD in ToyBreeds again the only remedy is FHO surgery, which for large breeds is not very successful, with toy breeds they usually enjoy a good success rate with FHO
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09-16-2014, 05:05 AM | #131 | |
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This is why seeking out a reputable breeder who knows their lines is so important. These are breeders who go back several generations, breeders who stay in contact with their families and who have done all the work it takes to produce healthy pups, while not always a guarantee, it is definitely a more reliable way to purchase a pup.....
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09-16-2014, 06:13 AM | #132 | |
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas
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Then, no one would have to open the thread to see what it was about. It could have been something that someone had experience with, but if they just skipped it because of the subject, then the OP might miss good advice. So simple yet it seems to have eluded a couple of people who are commenting on this thread.
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09-16-2014, 09:01 AM | #133 |
YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: nj
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| I didn't bother to read all the back and forth once I saw it posted that OP was oly going to get the one pup. I was going to suggest that she get one first, and ask for the other to stay at the breeder until 2 weeks after it's shots. That way they can be kept separate until the shots take effect. Ideally they would both stay with their mom's until after the shots. Can you offer the breeders a little extra $ to keep them longer? (I assume they would want $ in case their is extra expense and extra "labor'). Looks like the cost of the shots would be on the OP either way. I do like the spoiled pup concept, but sometimes wish Maggie had a live in playmate, and it probably would be easier to get them together rather than hope they get along later when you might bring a new one home... Double the fun can also be double the mess! |
09-16-2014, 03:35 PM | #134 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toluca Lake, CA
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| Thanks Gemy for correcting my incorrect information. That is why I am so glad we have such knowledgeable posters to help us with the facts.
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09-17-2014, 03:47 AM | #135 | |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Colorado Springs (annexed), CO, El Paso county
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Ouch! Again, condescending.
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