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04-18-2014, 08:51 AM | #1 |
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| Having a hard time choosing between heartgard and sentinel.. I was going to use frontline for fleas but there isn't much of a flea problem where I am.. and I researched some very bad things about frontline ( and other topical flea preventatives) - so that's out. Heartworm, however, I think I rather prevent because I personally get bit by many mosquitos in the summer which means Chloe has the same chance of getting bit as I do. The problem is I can't decide between heartgard and sentinel. I don't really want to apply a topical so that leaves these 2. Which has been around longest? Chloe is under 3lbs so I'm having difficulty making myself give her heartgard which can be used for a 25lb dog vs sentinel which is much closer to her weight 2-5lbs. What I don't like about sentinel though is that it has a dewormer and I feel that's unnecessary.. or is it? My main concern is the the huge weight difference in heartgard which is why I haven't given it. On the other hand, sentinel is a "combined" med but it isn't really any good for fleas? If I'm going to give a combined med I want it to at least work well.. so I can't decide how to weigh the pros and cons here. I need some opinions and what your babies are using. I'm scared if I give the 25lb dosage to my 2.5lb baby that she might get upset stomach. Advice?
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04-18-2014, 09:05 AM | #2 |
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| Here is my advice. I would use the Frontline because there is a flea problem in NYC and also a tick problem, and the information you're googling about isn't what I would call scientific or reliable. I've been using it for 14 years without a flea, tick, or side effect/problem. I've been using it for almost 6 years on my epileptic dog as well.... Sentinel or Heartgard are both fine. I used interceptor for years (that's sentinel without the flea component) and it was discontinued. I almost went to sentinel but because I still need a tick med, I switched to heartgard. It is safe for small dogs. You could also use Revolution which is dosed by weight. The holistic people tend to like that one a little more than the others (not sure of their rationale) but I think the better products are the Heartgard +/- Frontline.
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04-18-2014, 09:16 AM | #3 |
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| Glad you have decided to give heart worm prevention. I use heart guard for several reasons one Callie will not take sentinel two I feel really great about heart guard because it has been around so long I feel very confident in it. Now Sentinel doesn't kill fleas it just keeps them from reproducing. Both are pretty trust worthy meds. I also use Advantix because it is the only thing that works with ticks here and it also repels mosquitoes.
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04-18-2014, 09:32 AM | #4 | |
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04-18-2014, 09:39 AM | #5 |
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| I’m sure Frontline is an effective medication but I personally don’t feel comfortable using it because fipronil (the active ingredient in Frontline) is a carcinogen. I won’t go into the implications that can occur from carcinogen use on overall health of an animal (and the person applying it) but I will say that I prefer not to use it. Lovetodream, yeah, that’s why I am questioning Sentinel.. only targeting generally the female flea isn’t much help for most people. The only thing I like about Sentinel is that it’s a smaller tablet and a smaller dosage. Heartgard seems to be the most stable and most popular, though. About the Revolution, I asked my vet about it and it's kind of like Sentinel in that it doesn't really target adult fleas but only the eggs. I REALLY wish we had more choices!
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04-18-2014, 09:51 AM | #6 |
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| Actually about my comment of Revolution not targeting adult fleas, it does target them.. Revolution for Cats & Dogs - 1800PetMeds Going to look into this now, lol.
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04-18-2014, 10:01 AM | #7 |
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| They are BOTH combo products. They are both good drugs. Yes, there are quite a few of us who like the idea of flea sterilization.
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04-18-2014, 10:02 AM | #8 | |
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04-18-2014, 10:11 AM | #9 | |
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There isn't a lot of medication out for animals so all I am looking for is to see what the majority give their pets for heart worm prevention. If you like Frontline, that is okay - it is your decision and if it works for you, I have nothing against that. Also, my dog is not a lab rat, but thank you for the comparison.
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04-18-2014, 10:20 AM | #10 |
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| At the risk of getting a brick thrown at my head, fipronil is classified as a "possible human carcinogen" due to increased rates of thryoid cancer in rats fed fipronil. There are very good reasons that potentially toxic chemicals are tested on rats instead of dogs and humans--I don't think that I need to go into them--and this is a standard procedure for determining carcinogenicity. You simply don't release potentially toxic medicines without testing them on lab animals first. |
04-18-2014, 10:20 AM | #11 | |
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If you're going to be a doctor, then you should start with reading things with the EPA and other sources and reading the studies so you will know what is accurate info. I think being open minded and gathering facts will serve you well, because you didn't even know it HG was a combo drug. I won't hold your elitism against you, because I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way... I truly hope you pass the boards. And, when/if you become a doctor, I hope you have patients who will want to actually listen to your advice because you don't even want to listen to your dog's doctor!! But, that's really not for me to judge. BTW, I can comment on any thread here on YT if I feel that it is in the interest of the YT community to do so. I don't appreciate you telling people frontline is a carcinogen when the EPA has deemed it to be a "potential" in regards to that, and the studies were only done on rats when fibronil was added to their diet. Good luck !!
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04-18-2014, 10:22 AM | #12 | |
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04-18-2014, 10:22 AM | #13 |
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| I've used Sentinel year round for the past three years and have never had any issue with it. Like you, I like that they offer a dosage specifically for small dogs up to 10lbs. Prior to using sentinel, I used interceptor (made by the same manufacturer) for my last yorkie, for 12 years, again year round, with no issues ever. I don't use any topical flea control as I have never had an issue with fleas. I do however bathe with Minksheen during the summer months which is supposed to repel fleas..although I don't know if it actually does or if we've just been lucky.
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04-18-2014, 10:27 AM | #14 |
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| http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/fiptech.pdf Yeah, I'm aware they ate it.... Signs of Toxicity - Animals • Mice injected intraperitoneally with fipronil exhibited tonic-clonic seizures, facial clonus, or head twitching.5,14 • Signs of acute toxicity in rats and mice given single doses of fipronil via oral or inhalation exposure generally include changes in activity or gait, hunched appearance, tremors, convulsions, and seizures.7 • Clinical signs of toxicity in mice fed doses of fipronil (87.4-97.2%) in the diet for 6 weeks included overactivity, irritability, abnormal gait or posture, body tremors, convulsions, and death.7 • Signs of toxicity during a 52-week chronic rat feeding study included reduced feeding and food conversion efficiency, reduced body weight gain, seizures and seizure-related death, changes in thyroid hormones, increased mass of the liver and thyroid, and kidney effects.12
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04-18-2014, 10:28 AM | #15 |
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| I use Sentinel and Heartgard. I have used them both on pups that were between 3 - 5 pounds with no issues whatsoever. I prefer Heartgard, but once in a while I get a pup who does not like it. As for topicals for fleas, I used Advantage for many years, but don't have a flea problem so I don't use anything.
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