Not using mink sheen anymore

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Zoey Zandaya

Nope, fraid not correct. This is Vectra 3D....and does not absorb into the blood stream . It is a topical, squeeze a little tube on backside mid back up to base of neck.it will then spread to other hair follicles and repel and kill fleas and ticks. They said they can feel,it spread and kinda wiggle a little, but as soon as a flea or tick lands on them they get right off. There is a picture of 2 hands one covered with mosquitoes , the other not....hmmmm

That is why you must not use a shampoo that contains soap. Washes it off.

Now I understand. Sorry I was thinking Frontline and others. Thank you for explaining. I'm going to look into the Vectra. I need something for Teddy, who is sensitive.

[Zoey Zendaya]

Originally Posted by Maximo

That is disappointing that the company could not answer a simple question, and that they did not return your call.

As Chachi wrote, there have been threads on YT by people urging others not to use Minksheen because of the mink oil and animal cruelty.

This article explains the sodium hydroxide used to produce soap/various toiletries:
A Closer Look at Sodium Hydroxide | Personal Care Truth or Scare

There is an argument to be made that soap is too harsh and not ideal for health. I read skincare forums and there are people who never use soap on their faces. They wash only with water or various solutions of olive oil, oatmeal, and other

natural ingredients. The also use sodium chloride and sulfate free shampoos.

Relative to the flea and tick preventatives -- My understanding is that the chemicals are absorbed into the body and that is how they work, so it is safe to wash after about 24 hours. In other words, the preventative is not working outside our pets' bodies, topically. Is this correct?

That link is very interesting ....here is a little I found too and took notes to add to my notepad
"
Dog shampoo,
mink sheen says it's Natural Insect Repellant, it's not a natural shampoo, look closer into what that really means.....
Watch for polyethylene glycol, a petroleum that can be an irritant;
sodium lauryl sulfate and sodium laureth sulfate, both detergents frequently found in canine shampoos.
avoid words like "Sodium Cocoate", "Sodium Tallowate" - the "Sodium ______ate" ingredients that are organic oils that have reacted with an alkali, and are considered "soap"

Ask, Is it biodegradable ?

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Zoey Zandaya

That link is very interesting ....here is a little I found too and took notes to add to my notepad
"
Dog shampoo,
mink sheen says it's Natural Insect Repellant, it's not a natural shampoo, look closer into what that really means.....
Watch for polyethylene glycol, a petroleum that can be an irritant;
sodium lauryl sulfate and sodium laureth sulfate, both detergents frequently found in canine shampoos.
avoid words like "Sodium Cocoate", "Sodium Tallowate" - the "Sodium ______ate" ingredients that are organic oils that have reacted with an alkali, and are considered "soap"

Ask, Is it biodegradable ?

Good question. A number of dog shampoos/conditioners do indicate they are biodegradable, like Espree, Biogroom, All Systems, and I believe Isle of Dogs who has a sulfate free line.

[Zoey Zendaya]

Good to know ...thanks!

[Mermaid1]

Shampoo without soap? Not sure what that means; Soap or any other surfactant basically dissolves oil to cleanse. Dirt, bacteria, etc. attach to the skin and sticks to the oils naturally produce by the skin to protect it = sebum. Anything that bubbles is basically a surfactant. Have you heard of WEN shampoo = no suds, it is more like a lotion, does not strip oils. Natural soap is probably better than anything containing sodium laureate sulfates or the likes. Soap is created when fats and sodium hydroxide (lye) or potassium hydroxide are mixed together. to produce good soap all the lye must be utilized. Some soap makers super fat their soaps so that all the lye is utilized and some oil is left in the final product/soap to make it more moisturizing. During the soap making process (saponification) fats/oils (vegetable or animal fats/oils), water and lye mix to produce 3 parts soap and 1 part glycerin (which is remove to resale on most commercial bars.) Lye is salt water treated with electricity. Sodium hydroxide/lye is used to cure olive, in pretzels, and other foods you may be surprise. Lye also occurs in nature when water passes through hard wood ashes, which can be used instead of electricity. Soap is not as bad as you may think as the skin replenished its sebum and protection rather quickly after you bathe. Sorry for such a long winded post, but I thought this information may be helpful on this post. The bad ingredients are those that are hormone disruptors, carcinogens, etc. I stay away from the sodium laureate sulfates, parabens, EDTA, fragrance, amonst others. Hope this helps.

[Sunnydayz]

Here's a gross fact about most soaps and what they are made of, well at least one ingredient I know about. As a teenager, I worked at McDonalds and they used to save all their fryer grease, because they would sell it to soap companies :-( yes, used fast food grease is one of the main ingredients in most soaps !!!! I was so grossed out by it, that I never used soap based products ever again. Thankfully I am a licensed cosmetologist and can buy from wholesale companies that sell only top of the line products, for a fraction of what the cheap brands cost. But that always stuck in my mind how they sell that used fryer grease to all the different soap companies, and I also seen the soap companies come and pick up all those disgusting drums filled with the nasty stuff :-(

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

I loved Minksheen, but chose to stop using it because it contained mink oil and I am against cruelty to animals. Me not purchasing it isn't going to stop them from making it, but I do my best to not support companies/corporations who are cruel to animals or people. (Examples: KFC, Hobby Lobby, Wal-Mart, etc).

Explain hobby lobby?? They're owned by mardel and claim to be a Christian company. I'm interested in why you named them. (Not arguing or debating-I'm truly interested)

[pstinard]

Here's the website for Vectra 3D. They say it stays on even after bathing. I'll try to find more info about that...

Remove Fleas on Dogs | Vectra

[pstinard]

Frequently asked questions about Vectra 3D. Again, they say that it doesn't come off during "bathing," but they don't say what they mean by bathing.

FAQs / Support / Home / Vectra 3D

A little more info about Vectra 3D:

http://arlingtonanimalclinic.net/201...eas-and-ticks/

[pstinard]

Here's the best info on bathing after applying Vectra 3D. It will come off with any degreasing shampoo.

Vectra 3D

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Mermaid1

Shampoo without soap? Not sure what that means; Soap or any other surfactant basically dissolves oil to cleanse. Dirt, bacteria, etc. attach to the skin and sticks to the oils naturally produce by the skin to protect it = sebum. Anything that bubbles is basically a surfactant. Have you heard of WEN shampoo = no suds, it is more like a lotion, does not strip oils. Natural soap is probably better than anything containing sodium laureate sulfates or the likes. Soap is created when fats and sodium hydroxide (lye) or potassium hydroxide are mixed together. to produce good soap all the lye must be utilized. Some soap makers super fat their soaps so that all the lye is utilized and some oil is left in the final product/soap to make it more moisturizing. During the soap making process (saponification) fats/oils (vegetable or animal fats/oils), water and lye mix to produce 3 parts soap and 1 part glycerin (which is remove to resale on most commercial bars.) Lye is salt water treated with electricity. Sodium hydroxide/lye is used to cure olive, in pretzels, and other foods you may be surprise. Lye also occurs in nature when water passes through hard wood ashes, which can be used instead of electricity. Soap is not as bad as you may think as the skin replenished its sebum and protection rather quickly after you bathe. Sorry for such a long winded post, but I thought this information may be helpful on this post. The bad ingredients are those that are hormone disruptors, carcinogens, etc. I stay away from the sodium laureate sulfates, parabens, EDTA, fragrance, amonst others. Hope this helps.

Thank you for the explanation.

Originally Posted by Sunnydayz

Here's a gross fact about most soaps and what they are made of, well at least one ingredient I know about. As a teenager, I worked at McDonalds and they used to save all their fryer grease, because they would sell it to soap companies :-( yes, used fast food grease is one of the main ingredients in most soaps !!!! I was so grossed out by it, that I never used soap based products ever again. Thankfully I am a licensed cosmetologist and can buy from wholesale companies that sell only top of the line products, for a fraction of what the cheap brands cost. But that always stuck in my mind how they sell that used fryer grease to all the different soap companies, and I also seen the soap companies come and pick up all those disgusting drums filled with the nasty stuff :-(

Now I am going to think of you and McDonald's french fries every time I reach for my cheap bar of soap.

During WWII when everyday items were rationed, my grandmother made her own laundry soap with saved cooking grease. I googled and it seems to be a common practice among enviros to use leftover cooking grease for everything from powering cars to making soaps/toiletries.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by chachi

I didnt even know they used Minks to make it until Ann the moderator pointed it out. I quess I should have because of the name but I didnt. It is really hard to not support the using of animals because no matter what we are all going to buy leather shoes but I dont see animal shampoos as a necessity that you need to support the cruelty of animals to make

Yup...I don't have a prob w/ the soap, it's the fact that its ingredients are obtained *cruelly* from minks, and that's not okay in my book and it's easily a product I can do without.

Chachi...the fact you choose not to use this oil is a *wonderful* thing, so don't downplay it bc, say, you're still buying leather shoes . EVERY/ANY little thing you do toward not contributing to animal cruelty is important, worthy, and meaningful...it's a step in the direction that helps contribute toward their betterment. That's a win in my book!

[Mermaid1]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Thank you for the explanation.


During WWII when everyday items were rationed, my grandmother made her own laundry soap with saved cooking grease. I googled and it seems to be a common practice among enviros to use leftover cooking grease for everything from powering cars to making soaps/toiletries.

That is when soap was starting to be made of petroleum by products, some may still be made of it.

[Mermaid1]

You may want to look for soaps that are based on vegetable oils versus animal fats and stay away from the dangerous chemicals for you and your babies.
I don't know anything about Mink shampoo though, so I don't know what they use.

[Sunnydayz]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Thank you for the explanation.

Now I am going to think of you and McDonald's french fries every time I reach for my cheap bar of soap.

During WWII when everyday items were rationed, my grandmother made her own laundry soap with saved cooking grease. I googled and it seems to be a common practice among enviros to use leftover cooking grease for everything from powering cars to making soaps/toiletries.

Yea I can handle powering a vehicle with left over cooking grease, but man that grease they sell to soap manufacturers from McDonald's is nasty lol. It really left a mark on me when I found out about it. I only worked there for 2 weeks, and quit because everything behind the back counter was so gross. I still don't eat there HAHAHAHA