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Sunnydayz · 03-04-2014, 04:00 PM

The most important testing to be done is genetic testing of your dogs DNA. It will show possible defects in its linkage as to what your dog may throw out, irregardless if your dog seems perfectly healthy. Just because your little guy is healthy does not mean he does not carry a defect in his bloodline. Also make sure to get a pedigree on both dogs that are to mate going back many generations, showing their qualities and accomplishments as well as health, it should look like a family tree with all the info listed on each dog in the tree, and it should all be able to be confirmed. I did this with both my male chow as well as my female. When I had to get rid of my male ( it was during the recession in the 90's) I had him fixed and gave him to a loving friend of mine with no papers that Gave I'm a forever home, as I was moving 300 miles away. I did not want to take a risk of him being bred and ruining his champion pedigree. Also the fact that both mother and father of your pup are not akc is a big red flag right there. Any dog worth breeding and improving should be not only health checked, free of any defects it can throw out from generations back, but should also be of show quality standards of the akc registry to even insider improving the bloodlines and breeding him. The most likely reason the one parent is not akc of your male was probably because it did not meet the standard akc requires. Just my 2 cents. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but just letting you know how the process of a good breeder would go about it. I would also have all this same information on the dam the sire is being bred to.

On the question of charge, usually it's the value of a pup, or pick of the litter.

chachi · 03-04-2014, 04:24 PM

Now I think all persons wanting to breed need a mentor and I think people wanting to stud should too. Some unbiased breeder that can show you the ropes and direct you

Lovetodream88 · 03-04-2014, 09:56 PM

If the CKC you are talking about is not the Canadian Kennel Club then you need to just get your dog fixed because there is no way to prove its a full yorkie the dog that was registered CKC could be a mix for all you know even if he looks yorkie. You also need to make sure your dog is a perfect example of the breed because only perfect examples of the breed should be bred and that's to better the breed. Then you need to know the lines he came from to know what size pups his lines have had and if there have been any issues. Then you need to get genetic and health testing done. You also need to know about all the things your dog could start doing after being studded and make sure you are prepared for that.

Lovetodream88 · 03-04-2014, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sl123

@ Maximo - My yorkie is full blooded, his dad is AKC but his Mom was CKC b/c both of her parents weren't AKC and your can't register with AKC unless both parents are AKC registered. So with that said -- he is full blooded, has no "imperfections" and is perfectly healthy for breeding. He hasn't been bred yet. I just have some friends who have females that want to get puppies off of him, I am really just wanting to know what to charge, and how to go about collecting fees, before or after puppies etc.. Thanks!

You friends should not be breeding because its obvious they are not doing it for the right reasons. Breeding should only be done for bettering the breed not just for the heck of it. Have your friends first go check out your local shelters for awhile and then see if they really think breeding for the heck of it is really a good idea.

Yorkiemom1 · 03-04-2014, 10:04 PM

Just because a Yorkie is "full blooded" does NOT mean it is breeding quality. Dogs that are registered with CKC, unless you are referring to Canadian Kennel Club, which I am sure you are not, you have a precious little male that is a PET. He is not breeding quality. To understand this, you need to pull up his pedigree for at least 12 generations....you are going to find "holes" and "questionable" dogs in that pedigree....if they were not questionable, whoever it was behind your boy that was registered CKC was done because they could not meet the standard for registration in AKC. To breed any dog that does not meet the breed standard, let alone the purebred bloodlines that qualify that dog for registration in a purebred registery, is a pet and should be spayed or neutered and not used as a breeder. There are thousands of dogs that ARE AKC registered, that should not be bred....breeding dogs that do not exemplify the breed standard, should not be bred. Dogs that can not be registered in a purebred registery because of questionable heritage, should certainly NOT be used to breed.

sl123 · 03-05-2014, 01:11 PM

@ Matese -- Thank you!!! Maybe I should not have used the word "studding" that seemed to get people all riled up.. Again this is new to me .. YES my friends have females they want a mate for, I was thinking about asking for pick of the litter, but I know if I bring it to my house I will be attached and will never sell it.. Thank you for your incite to this ! and answering a question that I didn't realize was such a "big ordeal"

sl123 · 03-05-2014, 01:12 PM

To everyone else that commented.. I didn't mean to offend anyone ! I was told by the "breeder" that my puppy was AKC, when I went to register him under my name, I later found out the truth.. As I told Matese -- my friends are looking for a mate for their yorkie females.. I used the wrong lingo apparently ! Thank you all for taking the time to enlighten me !

DvlshAngel985 · 03-05-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sl123

To everyone else that commented.. I didn't mean to offend anyone ! I was told by the "breeder" that my puppy was AKC, when I went to register him under my name, I later found out the truth.. As I told Matese -- my friends are looking for a mate for their yorkie females.. I used the wrong lingo apparently ! Thank you all for taking the time to enlighten me !

No you used the right lingo and the right information was given. The same way you got suckered into a non-quality dog, you selling your dogs sperm is not right either. I know the words are mean or harsh due to the detachment of the "business", but the reality is a mating is an exchange of goods or services. As a provider of a stud, you need to make sure what you're offering your friends is quality, which is what everyone else is trying to tell you. Otherwise, you're no better than the person who lied to you about your yorkie's paperwork.

Sunnydayz · 03-05-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

No you used the right lingo and the right information was given. The same way you got suckered into a non-quality dog, you selling your dogs sperm is not right either. I know the words are mean or harsh due to the detachment of the "business", but the reality is a mating is an exchange of goods or services. As a provider of a stud, you need to make sure what you're offering your friends is quality, which is what everyone else is trying to tell you. Otherwise, you're no better than the person who lied to you about your yorkie's paperwork.

Lovetodream88 · 03-05-2014, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sl123

To everyone else that commented.. I didn't mean to offend anyone ! I was told by the "breeder" that my puppy was AKC, when I went to register him under my name, I later found out the truth.. As I told Matese -- my friends are looking for a mate for their yorkie females.. I used the wrong lingo apparently ! Thank you all for taking the time to enlighten me !

Either way your dog is not breeding quality.

theporkieyorkie · 03-05-2014, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Now I think all persons wanting to breed need a mentor and I think people wanting to stud should too. Some unbiased breeder that can show you the ropes and direct you

There's no point if the person is only going to hear what they want to hear.

To the OP...you used the right terminology. You want to stud out your dog that is not AKC registered which basically means you wil become a backyard breeder with your friends. People aren't upset because you used the wrong words. They are upset because you want to breed your PET QUALITY(less than perfect specimen) dog for the heck of it.

...la de doddy dee.... la de doddy da...and the beat goes on....

mimimomo · 03-06-2014, 12:27 AM

Please take a peek here:
Sick & Injured / Emergencies Talk - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community
Familiarize yourself w/all the congenital, hereditary, inherited diseases & illnesses a Yorkshire Terrier is susceptible to.
Have you had a BATS test done on our boy for Liver Shunt? Were his knees checked for Luxating Patellas? Do you know what Leggs Calve Perthes Disease is? These are only a few inherited diseases in the YT...there are many more. Same w/the female.

Not from a Yorkie site, but the same rule applies.
So You Want To Use Your Dog At Stud

Only the very best males should ever be used at stud. The only reason anyone should breed his animal is to try to improve the breed. A bitch owner can go to any of the top stud dogs in the country. So, what does your dog have to offer?

Has your male been evaluated in the show ring by qualified judges against top competition?
Has he been OFA certified clear of hip and elbow dysplasia?
Have his eyes been checked by a veterinary opthalmologist, who certified him clear of PRA and other hereditary eye defects?
Has he been tested clear of brucellosis?
Is he of the proper temperament?
If you can answer yes to all of the above questions and you are one of the lucky few to own an outstanding dog, are you ready and qualified to handle a stud dog?
Breeding doesn't always happen 1-2-3. Do you have the necessary facilities to board a bitch in season to keep her safely in and the neighbor dogs out? Are you prepared to board a problem bitch or a bitch that the owner just doesn't want around while she is in season because it is too much of a hassle?
Are you prepared to spend sleepless nights with your boarding bitch in season barking and your male pacing and howling?
Are you prepared to handle the problem bitch that doesn't want to be bred and tries to tear your dog to shreds?
Are you qualified to evaluate pedigrees and judge if your dog's five-generation pedigree will complement the bitch's? After all, it's your dog's name and reputation you're passing on to that litter.
Are you qualified to advise the bitch owner on whelping and puppy care? If your dog is bred to a bitch belonging to a novice owner, that owner is going to expect you to have all the answers. Do you have a ready market for offspring of your stud dog to help the bitch owner place the litter? (This is usually achieved by showing your dog and having him become well known. A lot of time and money must be put into your dog if you want to get anything back.)
Have you seen many bitches in season at all, and can you tell when it is best to breed the bitch?
Have you ever assisted in a breeding, or even seen one so you will know what you have to do? Do you realize that its more than putting the two dogs in an area together? Do you realize that leaving a dog and a bitch in season alone together can be disastrous and may even physically harm both?
Are you prepared for the change in your male's temperament? Once he's been used for stud, that will become the only thing on his mind. Or are you prepared for the wear and tear on your stud dog ... his not eating, pacing and constant whining will not be easy to cope with.

As you can see, its not all that easy. Please think about it.

sl123 · 03-06-2014, 05:22 AM

@DVLSHANGEL95 --- I get it !! I have all the information I need, I don't need you telling me that my dog is "not quality" I didn't get suckered into anything, I was given miss information... I don't care if he has AKC papers or not, a paper doesn't make the dog, or how I feel about him ! I have received all the information I need on this matter, please quit trying to insult me.. I am glad that you are such an "expert" I may share him with my friends female and I may not, however it will be my choice.. I will not be studding him out to any and everybody !! I was mainly asking about procedures, as far charges, or pick of the litter. I joined this group for incite, not to be insulted !! Again, someone much nicer was able to help answer the questions I was needing. I don't need anymore information from you! Have a nice day!

sl123 · 03-06-2014, 05:24 AM

@theporkieyorkie ! A backyard breeder with my friends sounds just fine to me !!

sl123 · 03-06-2014, 05:27 AM

@Loveto dream -- we live in a small town, people breed yorkies and other breeds with their friends all the time. It's not "just for the heck of it" all puppies are always sold to good loving homes, and go on to live healthy happy lives. Some go by AKC -AKC only .. others don't -- just depends are what they are looking for... You people are all way to uptight about the whole "AKC" thing... Good grief !!

03-04-2014, 04:24 PM	#17
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Now I think all persons wanting to breed need a mentor and I think people wanting to stud should too. Some unbiased breeder that can show you the ropes and direct you __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

03-04-2014, 09:56 PM	#18
Lovetodream88 Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md Posts: 23,249	If the CKC you are talking about is not the Canadian Kennel Club then you need to just get your dog fixed because there is no way to prove its a full yorkie the dog that was registered CKC could be a mix for all you know even if he looks yorkie. You also need to make sure your dog is a perfect example of the breed because only perfect examples of the breed should be bred and that's to better the breed. Then you need to know the lines he came from to know what size pups his lines have had and if there have been any issues. Then you need to get genetic and health testing done. You also need to know about all the things your dog could start doing after being studded and make sure you are prepared for that. __________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart!

03-04-2014, 10:04 PM	#20
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	Just because a Yorkie is "full blooded" does NOT mean it is breeding quality. Dogs that are registered with CKC, unless you are referring to Canadian Kennel Club, which I am sure you are not, you have a precious little male that is a PET. He is not breeding quality. To understand this, you need to pull up his pedigree for at least 12 generations....you are going to find "holes" and "questionable" dogs in that pedigree....if they were not questionable, whoever it was behind your boy that was registered CKC was done because they could not meet the standard for registration in AKC. To breed any dog that does not meet the breed standard, let alone the purebred bloodlines that qualify that dog for registration in a purebred registery, is a pet and should be spayed or neutered and not used as a breeder. There are thousands of dogs that ARE AKC registered, that should not be bred....breeding dogs that do not exemplify the breed standard, should not be bred. Dogs that can not be registered in a purebred registery because of questionable heritage, should certainly NOT be used to breed. Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 03-04-2014 at 10:05 PM.

03-06-2014, 12:27 AM	#27
mimimomo Don't Litter Spay&Neuter Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 9,874	Please take a peek here: Sick & Injured / Emergencies Talk - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community Familiarize yourself w/all the congenital, hereditary, inherited diseases & illnesses a Yorkshire Terrier is susceptible to. Have you had a BATS test done on our boy for Liver Shunt? Were his knees checked for Luxating Patellas? Do you know what Leggs Calve Perthes Disease is? These are only a few inherited diseases in the YT...there are many more. Same w/the female. Not from a Yorkie site, but the same rule applies. So You Want To Use Your Dog At Stud Only the very best males should ever be used at stud. The only reason anyone should breed his animal is to try to improve the breed. A bitch owner can go to any of the top stud dogs in the country. So, what does your dog have to offer? Has your male been evaluated in the show ring by qualified judges against top competition? Has he been OFA certified clear of hip and elbow dysplasia? Have his eyes been checked by a veterinary opthalmologist, who certified him clear of PRA and other hereditary eye defects? Has he been tested clear of brucellosis? Is he of the proper temperament? If you can answer yes to all of the above questions and you are one of the lucky few to own an outstanding dog, are you ready and qualified to handle a stud dog? Breeding doesn't always happen 1-2-3. Do you have the necessary facilities to board a bitch in season to keep her safely in and the neighbor dogs out? Are you prepared to board a problem bitch or a bitch that the owner just doesn't want around while she is in season because it is too much of a hassle? Are you prepared to spend sleepless nights with your boarding bitch in season barking and your male pacing and howling? Are you prepared to handle the problem bitch that doesn't want to be bred and tries to tear your dog to shreds? Are you qualified to evaluate pedigrees and judge if your dog's five-generation pedigree will complement the bitch's? After all, it's your dog's name and reputation you're passing on to that litter. Are you qualified to advise the bitch owner on whelping and puppy care? If your dog is bred to a bitch belonging to a novice owner, that owner is going to expect you to have all the answers. Do you have a ready market for offspring of your stud dog to help the bitch owner place the litter? (This is usually achieved by showing your dog and having him become well known. A lot of time and money must be put into your dog if you want to get anything back.) Have you seen many bitches in season at all, and can you tell when it is best to breed the bitch? Have you ever assisted in a breeding, or even seen one so you will know what you have to do? Do you realize that its more than putting the two dogs in an area together? Do you realize that leaving a dog and a bitch in season alone together can be disastrous and may even physically harm both? Are you prepared for the change in your male's temperament? Once he's been used for stud, that will become the only thing on his mind. Or are you prepared for the wear and tear on your stud dog ... his not eating, pacing and constant whining will not be easy to cope with. As you can see, its not all that easy. Please think about it. __________________ Jenny Mimi Momo Princess Turbo Madan Pin Brush: www.toplinepet.com

03-04-2014, 04:00 PM	#16
Sunnydayz YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Redondo beach Posts: 675	The most important testing to be done is genetic testing of your dogs DNA. It will show possible defects in its linkage as to what your dog may throw out, irregardless if your dog seems perfectly healthy. Just because your little guy is healthy does not mean he does not carry a defect in his bloodline. Also make sure to get a pedigree on both dogs that are to mate going back many generations, showing their qualities and accomplishments as well as health, it should look like a family tree with all the info listed on each dog in the tree, and it should all be able to be confirmed. I did this with both my male chow as well as my female. When I had to get rid of my male ( it was during the recession in the 90's) I had him fixed and gave him to a loving friend of mine with no papers that Gave I'm a forever home, as I was moving 300 miles away. I did not want to take a risk of him being bred and ruining his champion pedigree. Also the fact that both mother and father of your pup are not akc is a big red flag right there. Any dog worth breeding and improving should be not only health checked, free of any defects it can throw out from generations back, but should also be of show quality standards of the akc registry to even insider improving the bloodlines and breeding him. The most likely reason the one parent is not akc of your male was probably because it did not meet the standard akc requires. Just my 2 cents. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but just letting you know how the process of a good breeder would go about it. I would also have all this same information on the dam the sire is being bred to. On the question of charge, usually it's the value of a pup, or pick of the litter.

03-05-2014, 01:11 PM	#21
sl123 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Perry Fl Posts: 22 Blog Entries: 2	@ Matese -- Thank you!!! Maybe I should not have used the word "studding" that seemed to get people all riled up.. Again this is new to me .. YES my friends have females they want a mate for, I was thinking about asking for pick of the litter, but I know if I bring it to my house I will be attached and will never sell it.. Thank you for your incite to this ! and answering a question that I didn't realize was such a "big ordeal"

03-05-2014, 01:12 PM	#22
sl123 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Perry Fl Posts: 22 Blog Entries: 2	To everyone else that commented.. I didn't mean to offend anyone ! I was told by the "breeder" that my puppy was AKC, when I went to register him under my name, I later found out the truth.. As I told Matese -- my friends are looking for a mate for their yorkie females.. I used the wrong lingo apparently ! Thank you all for taking the time to enlighten me !

03-06-2014, 05:22 AM	#28
sl123 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Perry Fl Posts: 22 Blog Entries: 2	@DVLSHANGEL95 --- I get it !! I have all the information I need, I don't need you telling me that my dog is "not quality" I didn't get suckered into anything, I was given miss information... I don't care if he has AKC papers or not, a paper doesn't make the dog, or how I feel about him ! I have received all the information I need on this matter, please quit trying to insult me.. I am glad that you are such an "expert" I may share him with my friends female and I may not, however it will be my choice.. I will not be studding him out to any and everybody !! I was mainly asking about procedures, as far charges, or pick of the litter. I joined this group for incite, not to be insulted !! Again, someone much nicer was able to help answer the questions I was needing. I don't need anymore information from you! Have a nice day!

03-06-2014, 05:24 AM	#29
sl123 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Perry Fl Posts: 22 Blog Entries: 2	@theporkieyorkie ! A backyard breeder with my friends sounds just fine to me !!

03-06-2014, 05:27 AM	#30
sl123 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Perry Fl Posts: 22 Blog Entries: 2	@Loveto dream -- we live in a small town, people breed yorkies and other breeds with their friends all the time. It's not "just for the heck of it" all puppies are always sold to good loving homes, and go on to live healthy happy lives. Some go by AKC -AKC only .. others don't -- just depends are what they are looking for... You people are all way to uptight about the whole "AKC" thing... Good grief !!