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amorecondannato · 01-31-2014, 09:27 PM

Could someone tell me which registries still allow tri-color Yorkies to be single registered as Biewers?

McheleM · 01-31-2014, 09:29 PM

If I'm not mistaken, the biewer registry is completed seperate and different than a parti colored yorked registered with AKC.

APRI, ACA, and CKC are all bogus registries that will allow you to register your coffee table as a Great Dane as long as you send them $$$.

amorecondannato · 01-31-2014, 09:33 PM

Lord no, I'm not interested in a paper mill. I wanted to get into Biewers and I purchased an AKC tri-Yorkie, but I obviously can't show him. I can show him in agility and obedience, but I wanted to single register him with someone like ARBA just to get used to what conformation is like.

McheleM · 01-31-2014, 09:38 PM

Tri colored (parti) yorkies and biewers are not the same thing, so I'm not understanding how you would register one as something it's not?

My lil friend · 01-31-2014, 09:48 PM

McheleM is correct a tricolor and a biewer are not the same dog/breed.

amorecondannato · 01-31-2014, 11:09 PM

Without starting a massive argument, I'll just agree to disagree. The jury is still out by some people on whether they are, or aren't the same breed. Which is strange, because I'm not entirely disagreeing. I just know that there are some registries which still allow Parti-Yorkies to be registered in the stud book as Biewers. Which I think is a good thing, if done correctly. The wider the gene pool is, the less inbreeding coefficient to spring up. The only thing to worry about is any sub-par dogs you enter into the stud book. Even if you're increasing genetic diversity, if you start adding dogs with genetic defects in the mix, you're doing more harm than good.
At any rate, I guess I should rephrase my question. When I first started researching Biewers, I know the IBC accepted parti-color Yorkies for single registration, and one of the domestic registries (but I forget which one. I thought I book marked it, but didn't.) I guess my question should be rephrased as to what steps does one have to take to register with the IBC?

My lil friend · 01-31-2014, 11:15 PM

Not arguing,just sharing what I have been told. The biewer comes from a bloodline descending from Germany. To me this is what would make them different. As for registration,I can be of no help there. If you find the information again,please post it. I would be interested to read.

amorecondannato · 01-31-2014, 11:22 PM

Thank you! I wasn't accusing you of arguing. Both of you have been very nice so far. I was putting that on there for other people that read this post. There is a huge debate with people on both sides of the argument. Some argue that a Biewer is just a parti-colored Yorkie, and some argue that it's an entirely different breed. I am more inclined to say at this point that it should be a different breed - but I also think that Yorkies should still be added to stud books to create more genetic diversity. It probably comes from my background with cats and from being a nurse and knowing how genetics play out in general. In cat fancy, regular out crossing is allowed (for the most part) so as not to create a bottle neck effect. Of course in dog fancy this is strictly prohibited and all those "-poo" crosses are nothing more than mutts. Occasionally, however, some dogs eventually DO became a breed in their own right, the pudelpointer for example. There are also some breeds that allow some form out out cross like border collies and salukis, but for the most part the stud books are completely closed. I don't think the Biewer has a large enough gene pool yet to completely separate it from the Yorkshire terrier yet, but that's just my personal opinion. Had I done more extensive homework, I would've just gotten a Biewer that was already registered with the IBC. But I was under the impression two years ago that the stud books were still open, at least in two cases. Now that I'm ready to enter a show and have enough PTO saved up to do so, I've veritably went cross eyed trying to figure out how to go about doing it!

Yorkiemom1 · 01-31-2014, 11:52 PM

Interesting history of the two is written in detail on [url=http://www.snowblueyorkies.com] You may pull that up and read the history of the two....I was going to become involved with Biewers back in the '90's, before they were that well known in this country, but there seemed to me to be a lot of "disruption" between registeries....and Mr Biewer wanted buyers to fly to Germany and pick up the breeding pair...that was totally out of my financial reality, plus the cost of the pups.....and I was not sure they would even be popular here, so I didnt continue with that idea. As far as registering a Parti as a Biewer, you can not do that. All these dogs are DNA'd and are not considered Parti Yorkies by the Biewer registeries. Unless somethinghas changed, you cant register a Biewer with AKC....if you have a "tri-colored yorkie" and it is registered with AKC, you have a parti yorkie, not a Biewer. I am almost certain this is still true and accurate information....I know it was accurate not too long ago.....things may have changed but I dont think so.

amorecondannato · 02-01-2014, 12:05 AM

Thank you, Yorkiemom1. To the best of my knowledge Dagmar, who is now head of the IBC that Mr. Biewer originally founded, still has the stud book open for Yorkies. That is lost some in translation, of course, so maybe I'm wrong. I also understand there's controversy due to chocolate-based and gold-based Biewers being accepted in the IBC. Who knows? It does seem that stepping into the world of Biewers is opening ones self to a very impassioned group of admirers!

bchgirl · 02-01-2014, 12:55 PM

Parti colored yorkshire terriers can be shown in ICKC and IABCA. There's no need to be registered as a "biewer".

amorecondannato · 02-01-2014, 01:36 PM

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Lovelyorkie · 02-01-2014, 01:40 PM

I called and that's what they can do they don't do brewer

silverjoy · 02-01-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovelyorkie

I called and that's what they can do they don't do brewer

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My lil friend · 02-01-2014, 02:01 PM

No offence taken at all. I own a yorkie and a biewer. At our home the difference that I see is this. Kenzie (biewer) is SO laid back,coat is different not flyaway cotton or silk,even her teeth are different,top row is pointed not flat (definitely made for tearing). Mina (yorkie) high strung,more dominate and demanding,silkie coat.
Because of Kenzie's laid back attitude,bringing her into a pack of 4 other dogs,not all yorkie, was very easy. She was excepted right off.

01-31-2014, 09:27 PM	#1
amorecondannato Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pembroke, GA, USA Posts: 16	Registering Tri-color As Biewer Could someone tell me which registries still allow tri-color Yorkies to be single registered as Biewers?

01-31-2014, 09:29 PM	#2
McheleM Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 2,659	If I'm not mistaken, the biewer registry is completed seperate and different than a parti colored yorked registered with AKC. APRI, ACA, and CKC are all bogus registries that will allow you to register your coffee table as a Great Dane as long as you send them $$$. __________________ "You've never learned to live until you've done something for someone for which they can never repay you."~Ralph Hall.

01-31-2014, 09:38 PM	#4
McheleM Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 2,659	Tri colored (parti) yorkies and biewers are not the same thing, so I'm not understanding how you would register one as something it's not? __________________ "You've never learned to live until you've done something for someone for which they can never repay you."~Ralph Hall.

01-31-2014, 11:52 PM	#9
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	Interesting history of the two is written in detail on [url=http://www.snowblueyorkies.com] You may pull that up and read the history of the two....I was going to become involved with Biewers back in the '90's, before they were that well known in this country, but there seemed to me to be a lot of "disruption" between registeries....and Mr Biewer wanted buyers to fly to Germany and pick up the breeding pair...that was totally out of my financial reality, plus the cost of the pups.....and I was not sure they would even be popular here, so I didnt continue with that idea. As far as registering a Parti as a Biewer, you can not do that. All these dogs are DNA'd and are not considered Parti Yorkies by the Biewer registeries. Unless somethinghas changed, you cant register a Biewer with AKC....if you have a "tri-colored yorkie" and it is registered with AKC, you have a parti yorkie, not a Biewer. I am almost certain this is still true and accurate information....I know it was accurate not too long ago.....things may have changed but I dont think so. Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 01-31-2014 at 11:55 PM.

02-01-2014, 12:55 PM	#11
bchgirl Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: at da beach Posts: 15,444 Blog Entries: 2	Parti colored yorkshire terriers can be shown in ICKC and IABCA. There's no need to be registered as a "biewer". __________________ Deb, Reese, Reggie, Frazier, Libby, Sidney, & Bodie Trace & Ramsey who watch over us www.biewersbythebay.com

01-31-2014, 09:33 PM	#3
amorecondannato Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pembroke, GA, USA Posts: 16	Lord no, I'm not interested in a paper mill. I wanted to get into Biewers and I purchased an AKC tri-Yorkie, but I obviously can't show him. I can show him in agility and obedience, but I wanted to single register him with someone like ARBA just to get used to what conformation is like.

01-31-2014, 09:48 PM	#5
My lil friend Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: FtWorth,TX,USA Posts: 3,269	McheleM is correct a tricolor and a biewer are not the same dog/breed.

01-31-2014, 11:09 PM	#6
amorecondannato Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pembroke, GA, USA Posts: 16	Without starting a massive argument, I'll just agree to disagree. The jury is still out by some people on whether they are, or aren't the same breed. Which is strange, because I'm not entirely disagreeing. I just know that there are some registries which still allow Parti-Yorkies to be registered in the stud book as Biewers. Which I think is a good thing, if done correctly. The wider the gene pool is, the less inbreeding coefficient to spring up. The only thing to worry about is any sub-par dogs you enter into the stud book. Even if you're increasing genetic diversity, if you start adding dogs with genetic defects in the mix, you're doing more harm than good. At any rate, I guess I should rephrase my question. When I first started researching Biewers, I know the IBC accepted parti-color Yorkies for single registration, and one of the domestic registries (but I forget which one. I thought I book marked it, but didn't.) I guess my question should be rephrased as to what steps does one have to take to register with the IBC?

01-31-2014, 11:15 PM	#7
My lil friend Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: FtWorth,TX,USA Posts: 3,269	Not arguing,just sharing what I have been told. The biewer comes from a bloodline descending from Germany. To me this is what would make them different. As for registration,I can be of no help there. If you find the information again,please post it. I would be interested to read.

01-31-2014, 11:22 PM	#8
amorecondannato Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pembroke, GA, USA Posts: 16	Thank you! I wasn't accusing you of arguing. Both of you have been very nice so far. I was putting that on there for other people that read this post. There is a huge debate with people on both sides of the argument. Some argue that a Biewer is just a parti-colored Yorkie, and some argue that it's an entirely different breed. I am more inclined to say at this point that it should be a different breed - but I also think that Yorkies should still be added to stud books to create more genetic diversity. It probably comes from my background with cats and from being a nurse and knowing how genetics play out in general. In cat fancy, regular out crossing is allowed (for the most part) so as not to create a bottle neck effect. Of course in dog fancy this is strictly prohibited and all those "-poo" crosses are nothing more than mutts. Occasionally, however, some dogs eventually DO became a breed in their own right, the pudelpointer for example. There are also some breeds that allow some form out out cross like border collies and salukis, but for the most part the stud books are completely closed. I don't think the Biewer has a large enough gene pool yet to completely separate it from the Yorkshire terrier yet, but that's just my personal opinion. Had I done more extensive homework, I would've just gotten a Biewer that was already registered with the IBC. But I was under the impression two years ago that the stud books were still open, at least in two cases. Now that I'm ready to enter a show and have enough PTO saved up to do so, I've veritably went cross eyed trying to figure out how to go about doing it!

02-01-2014, 12:05 AM	#10
amorecondannato Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pembroke, GA, USA Posts: 16	Thank you, Yorkiemom1. To the best of my knowledge Dagmar, who is now head of the IBC that Mr. Biewer originally founded, still has the stud book open for Yorkies. That is lost some in translation, of course, so maybe I'm wrong. I also understand there's controversy due to chocolate-based and gold-based Biewers being accepted in the IBC. Who knows? It does seem that stepping into the world of Biewers is opening ones self to a very impassioned group of admirers!

02-01-2014, 01:36 PM	#12
amorecondannato Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pembroke, GA, USA Posts: 16	Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

02-01-2014, 01:40 PM	#13
Lovelyorkie No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: labelle fl Posts: 19	My yorkie beauty is a parti and I registered with akc as brown and tan parti I called and that's what they can do they don't do brewer

02-01-2014, 02:01 PM	#15
My lil friend Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: FtWorth,TX,USA Posts: 3,269	No offence taken at all. I own a yorkie and a biewer. At our home the difference that I see is this. Kenzie (biewer) is SO laid back,coat is different not flyaway cotton or silk,even her teeth are different,top row is pointed not flat (definitely made for tearing). Mina (yorkie) high strung,more dominate and demanding,silkie coat. Because of Kenzie's laid back attitude,bringing her into a pack of 4 other dogs,not all yorkie, was very easy. She was excepted right off.