Michelle,

Thanks for posting your story and reminding people once again what can happen when they have intact dogs in their homes. Despite every good intention, life sometimes still happens and can result in some very expensive, painful and exhausting consequences. Allie was fortunate that she was with someone who not only had the resources to get her the proper care, but was also willing to learn what they needed to in order to help the pups survive until Allie could care for them herself. How many times have we seen this story not have such a happy ending?

Good luck with the pups. I look forward to seeing pictures of them.

Like!!! I like it, the name that is. omg...

If you knew she was a bad breeder why would you continue her lines?

As it was said before, it was an accident. I didn't put them together and intentionally breed them.

I separated them when she went into heat and was mopping my floor and had to move a baby gate to move the mop bucket since I can't lift it over the gate. She slipped through and by the time I got to her, the deed was happening.

We aren't rehashing this.

But wouldn't have getting them fixed at like 8 months kept them safer?

Having a dog fixed while she is pregnant is not the same as abortion it is protecting the puppies from possibly being born with genetic issues and suffering as well as making more dogs that could end up in a shelter or abandoned. Not trying to rehash or be a brat I just feel abortion is different. But I also feel that if a child is gonna be unloved put into our governments system and not cared about maybe not bringing it into the world is the best option.

I think it's been established that Michele is going to get her boys neutered. What's done is done & Michele has learned a valuable lesson here...she almost lost her precious girl, along w/the pups. Let's give her a break, otherwise it's gonna sound like a broken record.

I just got upset with the abortion comment

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Now she will be coming into heat in about 6-8 months, so you will need to mark that on your calendar so you dont have another "oooops" breeding, especially if that baby's father remains intact and on the property.

Michele I thought she was spayed as part of the emergency C section. But you posted that she "will be spayed".

In terms of juvenile puppy de-sexing, I think that is not in the best health interests of the puppies. I would never advise any-one to adopt a puppy that was de-sexed early in life.

I believe she means Lyric, the girl she's keeping out of this litter will be spayed and that she will have her other adult males neutered.

It took me a minute to figure out the was spayed/will be spayed comment as well until I realized that she meant the Female baby pup she would be keeping but I also interpreted that her intention was to neuter the infant males prior to placing them in their homes, not the adult males, is my interpretation correct?

No, Allie had all girls...her males are older, one is the dad to the new girls.

Oh of course! As though I have not been reading this thread for the last several days as well as the other two associated with it! (Ie...finally four precious angels) silly me. Thanks for clarifying :)

An abortion is performed after pregnancy occurs. Therefore in my opinion, it's an abortion. As I said we aren't rehashing the accidental breeding. I dont need you to keep on and on about it like you tend to do. It won't change anything. I've removed the possibility of an accidental breeding.
Allie was spayed with her c-section. We had 4 female puppies.
The puppy we are keeping will be spayed as soon as she is able to be. The other 3 wiill have limited registrations as well as not having papers released until proof of spay is provided.
Noah and Westley will be neutered in the next 4-6 weeks.

Ok, now I get it. I got confused about a comment regarding neutering boys and thought you meant pups. I understand now. Hard to keep things straight with a bunch of them.

Oh:) haha Thanks!

Lisa, very well said. Don't think it could have been said any better. We all learn from our mistakes. Remember Ye without sin cast the first stone? That helps remind me many times that we all make mistakes. But we learn from them and share with others to prevent them.

Michelle you are a sweet person I know you will do whatever needs to be done for these babies. I have to say they are totally adorable.

Excuse me but I think, really think, you need to go chew on something other than Michele, a long time member, who you know nothing about....s**t does happen that's life, we all make mistakes, myself included....we by nature, are not perfect pet owners, not perfect parents, not perfect in anyway....when you move in a new "neighborhood" online or in real life, be sure to learn more about your neighbors before you go judging and slinging sh$^.


My concern is those breeders, those byb piece of nothing breeders, purposeful breeders, (some of them are here) who breed to make money off the backs of these poor pups who are poorly bred...I see your a newbie, I do and therefore will hesitate a bit with my words...


Michele, I'm sorry you were treated this way....I'm sorry for what you went through, I'm grateful you are wonderful and know you will handle this appropriately, I am grateful your pup has you...I am grateful you shared your story...now don't take no sh%% from NO ONE!

Some of the people at YT are experienced and informed breeders, however, I believe that the majority of YT members are just Yorkie loving pet owners. They come here and learn a lot of things that they never would have imagined, both good and bad.

For the most part the general public knows very little about the dog breeding business, the good, the bad, and the ugly. For the most part the general public only sees local classified ads, internet ads and pet stores as suppliers of purebred animals.....and they certainly are not sources of good information.

Experienced and educated, reputable breeders are not out there in public view. They don't have the type of website that usually comes up when a person does an internet search because they are not major distributors of dogs.

I believe this OP learned a lesson the hard way and was willing to admit it. I doubt very much that she was given a chance to make an informed decision to begin with. We certainly have seen enough people who just don't care about the information and warnings that they have been given. I once met a breeder who actually would continue to breed a female even after a c-section. Oh,yes, they are out there! Thankfully the OP is not one of those.

As was already mentioned the AKC classified ads are no better than the ones in your local paper. The only requirement to advertize puppies on the AKC website is that your sire and dam are AKC registered. We know that AKC registration has nothing to do with the quality or health of a pup. Puppy mill pups many times are AKC registered. Personally, I wish AKC would get rid of their classified ads as they are greatly misleading.

There are very few places for a person who wants a purebred pup to get the kind of information that they need. I don't know the solution to that but certainly we can at least understand why people make some of the choices they do and continue to make good information available to as many people as possible.

As a layman, and owner of a yter, I didn't know this. Yes, I could totally see how this would pull the wool over a purchasers eyes. Sounds like there could be no rules on this if a byb wanted to breed an AKC dog. Seems sad to me, but again I am a layman with no real experience with pure breeds. My first dog was a family toy poodle, who lived a good life. Next was a cross of a Belgium Shepherd and Border Collie; incidentally my bf and I went to this house out in the boonies in ON looking at antiques when I noticed a cage which had bunnies in it. In the very back was a fuzzball, which turned out to be a dog. Koko was a very smart and loving dog, who was very easy to train and eager to please. Both lived to a good age. Guess I was lucky. Now I own a yter, but I did some homework before purchasing him and talked to any owner who was walking one 4 yrs. before I actually purchased one.

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