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12-15-2013, 08:25 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker | stubborn yorkie, i need guidance Oookkkk...lil rascal is nine monthes old. He's graduated from his puppy class, now he's in intermediate class. He will sit, down, stand, used to stay for a bit...now he won't and he won't let me train him to wait either. Where you make him sit wave ur hand and say wait walk away three feet (that's right, he won't give me three feet) and then call him to you. He shys away goes for the nearest door lays down and ignores me, even went to his crate once! Idk what to do with him, he's getting on my nerves with this...I have been patient, not yelled. The trainer said u have to battle it out he's a stubborn yorkie in his teenage years....is this true? I use pupparonies which he and my other dogs LOVE. But he's on lockdown with me...what else can I do, any advice? I've battled him for twenty min intervals at a time which just means I keep trying to get him to sit and wait over and over and over and ...well I'm sure u get the idea...no I never hit my babies and he is soooo not scared of me...as soon as I put the treat away and sit down he jumps up on my lap!
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12-15-2013, 09:57 AM | #3 |
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| Well no one will say Yorkie's as a whole are easy. I can't help as my girl acts like a cat and is about co-operative.
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12-15-2013, 09:59 AM | #4 |
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| try working with him at shorter intervals a couple times a day// that's what I had to do with morgan// he was pretty stubborn for awhile in his obedience classes// if he wouldn't do what I wanted I just walked away and did not give him a treat// hope this helps// I know that it took him about 2 weeks before he would do anything in his beginner class |
12-15-2013, 10:20 AM | #5 | |
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I agree shorter and more frequent training intervals, also end your training on a note of success. Now by that I mean, success even if only for one second on the Stay command. Start with the commands he knows well and obeys well. Then do your first Stay command. Also keep this indoors until he masters his stay. I would stand beside him on his left, issue the Sit command, then the Verbal Stay command. Do not even attempt to walk away yet. Build the Sit Stay up to at least one full minute with your dog not moving. if YOUR DOG breaks the Sit/Stay command, immediately correct back into position with the correction immediately of NO. If he is sitting and staying reward with a treat. If he breaks the SIT after the treat which often happens, immediately correct, and place him back into sit. Sometimes what does work to break the habit of his releasing his sit after he gets a reward, is to multiple reward at the same time. Also make the treats very very small pea size, so you can multiple reward him as he is sitting. When-ever a dog goes backwards in training of a command he was getting, you need to start right over at the most basic training for that command. THis is a matter of your patience and he will try you over and over again. Then the Step 2 in the Sit Stay once he has mastered the Sit Stay with you immediately by his side. Is to issue the commands, then step one step forward and turn to immediately face him as he is sitting. YOu still have your loose lead in hand. Then he sits for a minute with you standing in front of him. You can reward him intermittently with a treat. Now ending on a good note. Might be as short as issuing a sit/stay that you know he can only keep for 5 seconds. That is fine, he has obeyed for 5 seconds!. THen if you like do the commands that he does just fine, and that make you happy too. For me and my dogs, it would be a nice shortish session of toy play! Dogs read us all the time, and will read our frustrations with them, without one word of ours being spoken. So you want to end your training session with both you and him feeling good about the session. I hope this helps, remember training should be fun for you and your dog.
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12-15-2013, 10:24 AM | #6 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Just so you know, it took me two years to build a reliable sit/stay, down/stay for my Blackie. Yes you read right two years! But it is so worth it. Reliable stay is 5 minutes, ignoring all distractions and NOT BREAKING the stay command. That means other dogs running by, running up to my dog, people walking by, balls being tossed past them towards them, treats dropped around them, loud noises, etc.
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12-15-2013, 10:55 AM | #7 |
Yorkie Yakker | O thank you so much, I'm glad I'm not alone in this! Yea the trainer said keep going till he caves u can't let him win. This sounds so much better thanks gemy! Ug! The stinker is so darn cute its hard to be mad at him I just get frusterated. ....he listens to dad...not mom....ill just have to be patient. Thanks everyone, ill keep the session 10 to 15 mins and end on a good note! :-) he's also scared to death of other dogs he doesn't know....he has his brother Chihuahua and sister cavalier, and my moms dogs and our friend Diane's dogs who he LOVES! But any other dog he freaks out about and cowers....o well one step at a time....
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12-15-2013, 12:14 PM | #8 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Two other things, you need to have a Release command. Most especially after the stay command. I use simply Release. Don't use Okay because we use it so often in everyday language. So you reward for a good stay, and if the exercise of stay is over you say Release. That is an important second step, that sometimes I do forget. ON another note, you can practice the sit stay or stand stay with you seated in a chair. Not always do you need to be standing. The idea here is to train your dog that no matter what position you are in, seated, standing, laying down, the commands any command needs to be obeyed. Seated also makes it easier on you to "correct". Oh me aching back with a small dog...lol..lol... You can mix up your practice obedience sessions. From the home, if you have a backyard, that would be the next logical place to practice obedience commands. Then a local park - hopefully in slow times not too many folks. Pet stores especially when they are relatively deserted. No backyard?, then your driveway, or your parking lot. You get the drift, I hope. It is staging as well as you are able to different environments with increasing levels of distraction. When you take your dog for a walk, intersperse throughout the walk, some obedience commands, some play time, have your puppy walk on different surfaces, and heights. Go on and jump with him over that log. Or ask him to. walk along that log. You can also get a long lead which is very usefull for the recall command, and the long distance stay command(when you get there). I use a fanny pack that I place a toy or two in, and a long lead, and their treats. You just stick with it. It is such a joy and there becomes an incredible bond created between you and your boy with what I call an interactive walk. In closing never forget to play! I remember at my first competitive obedience trial, I was watching this woman with her Teruven, they heeled together as if they were one unit. Amazing to watch. Afterwards I came up to her and asked how she did this with her dog? (My dog hated to heel, and we worked and worked to the ninth degree on this). She responded, You think of heeling as dancing!. I dance with my dog. That has always stuck with me....
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12-15-2013, 02:02 PM | #9 |
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| Don't give up and don't let him give up. Make sure you keep him on lead. The session isn't over until you say so but you do have to make it fun for him and treats are important. Maybe try some freeze dried meat treats. (much healthier than puparonia and he won't get filled up so fast with them) They are small and you can keep them in your pocket or in a little bag that you hang on a belt loop. I trained my very stubborn little girl to love being groomed with them....among other things. |
12-17-2013, 06:23 AM | #12 |
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| Make it a game... I can now throw Dexter's favourite toys, treats and treats for other dogs with Dexter waiting nicely due to these tips. I started teaching him wait every morning at every meal time. It's consistent and you'll do it without thinking - and it'll emphasise that you're the alpha and provider... therefore making him respect you more. So I'd start off with his usual bowl of food... make him sit, crouch over the bowl on the floor (as if it's yours) and every time he goes to move, tell him no, and correct him back to sit... it may take a few attempts and when he sits for a minute of so, offer him a bit of his kibble as a small well done (encouraging that when he 'sits' and 'waits' -he will be rewarded with what he wants.) If you do this every meal time- he will soon associate 'wait' as a command worth knowing, and will not shy away from it. Also, when you've got some consistent results with this method, you can then set up scavenger hunts with his favourite treats. Again, make him 'sit' and 'wait' and place the treats around the room. Not only will he wait, he'll have loads of fun locating them. Again, you're teaching him the essential commands, but in a fun environment and by staying consistent- when you need him to follow the commands, he should know them fluently and obey. I also will sometimes include the sit and wait command when playing fetch with him... as again, play needs to have a small element of obedience training involved - just to emphasise that the play is on your terms... and not his/hers. Just by doing this, you should be able to command 'wait' and walk off ... as he knows the fun and reward will surely follow. Hope this helps |
12-17-2013, 09:33 PM | #14 |
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| I've noticed Lola doesn't listen as well when she's bored with her treats. A few times at puppy class the trainer had to give me a different treat because she was completely uninterested in my treats. So I'd try alternating treats along with what the others said. |
12-21-2013, 06:59 PM | #15 |
Yorkie Yakker | He's acting freaked out and scared out of his mind the trainer tried to work with him and he snapped at her three times! ....I'm at a loss where the fear comes from ....I'm sad for him and wanna help him, she said try hotdogs for wait and stay...what say my experienced yorkie owners...he's my first
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