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nanahas3 · 10-08-2013, 04:06 PM

I know dna tests are suppose to be accurate but I would still question this one. She is adorable but no fluff anywhere.

nanahas3 · 10-08-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Islandloverr

He may be A "Red Legged Yorkie". I don't know much about it, you can read more about it here on YT. But from what I understand they are yorkies but they don't really grow hair, and if they do its wiry. I read that their litter mates may look like normal yorkies too, so maybe that's what he is. I could be wrong though.....

Here is a thread about one: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...rkie-zack.html

From all the studying I have done on redleg yorkies they still have a fluffy coat just don't grow any great length to them. We have been told that is what our Laddy is as you can see from his picture his legs and tummy hair have a lot of red in them and his coat never grows to floor length. The first picture is him at 5 months second is at 4 years old.

DBlain · 10-08-2013, 04:13 PM

wow even has a puppy she looked nothing like a yorkie. To me it's not just the lack of hair that keeps her from looking like a yorkie, it's her face, ears, body makeup etc. I see you have a yorkie, so your grandmother must have been familiar with what a yorkie should look like, I just can't understand when people want a yorkie and then buy one that looks nothing like one. I am not saying that she is not cute, I happen to like how she looks, but I am just shaking my head here wondering about how accurate some of these DNA tests are. I bet it must be frustrating for your grandmother when people keep asking what breed she is.

Rhetts_mama · 10-08-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nanahas3

I know dna tests are suppose to be accurate but I would still question this one. She is adorable but no fluff anywhere.

DNA tests are only as good as the quality of the database it compares samples against.

It's possible that the database is flawed and it's also possible that this little one is the end result of repeated breeding of off- standard dogs.

Kaylee32 · 10-08-2013, 04:19 PM

She paid for the papers and all and evreything with AKC checks right. I even called them and made sure of all the validity. regardless she is adorable and she is a sweetheart. The picture I posted was a few weeks ago and she has recently started to get hair on her legs and chest. As I mentioned before all of her other brothers and sisters were all hairy yorkies. We did house visits from the a week after they were born until she received her. My grandmother is friends with the lady who owned her so I know she does not own any other dogs besides her male and female yorkie.

Marhcarter · 10-08-2013, 04:50 PM

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Quote:Originally Posted by*Maximo*She is a very cute pup. I see more Chihuahua too. On the one hand her leg hair does look red, but the color placement of the rest of her coat looks very Chihuahua too.*I don't think I trust the validity of the DNA tests.*When you received the AKC papers, did you file with AKC and pay the filing fee or did the breeder do it? If the breeder did it, I would check with AKC to make sure they are legitimate papers. Also, some unscrupulous breeders have been know to register pups from another litter/other parents under registered parents.*Regardless, she is an adorable pup.Me either..her muzzle too, seems more round like a chihuahua and less pointy like a Yorkie.

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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

DNA tests are only as good as the quality of the database it compares samples against.

It's possible that the database is flawed and it's also possible that this little one is the end result of repeated breeding of off- standard dogs.

In the link:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...then-what.html
I recommend starting at page 25. All the stuff before that is mostly drama

that is unrelated to the actual scientific info. But, from page 25 to the end, it addresses all the questions and concerns mentioned above, and a bunch more. If you are interested in science or genetics, it is actually a very interesting read (again, after page 25 only

)

yorkietalkjilly · 10-08-2013, 04:52 PM

Chi? Some MinPin? She sure doesn't look 100% Yorkie to me, DNA test, AKC papers or not. AKC papers can be fakes, manipulated, papers switched, etc. And we know all labs doing dog DNA tests aren't necessarily FBI-quality. That white under the throat, neck area and at the bottom of the chest area - not Yorkie markings and the conformation isn't typical Yorkie.

I'd be more than a little suspicious of the lab doing the testing and the AKC papers. Precious little dog, though. Beautiful, rich coloring and wonderful head, body, gorgeous eyes. What a beauty this girl is! Looks like one of those little dogs you see on calendars wearing a red bow under the Christmas tree with a Christmas Stocking held in its mouth and pretty Christmas packages stacked all around.

dawn27 · 10-08-2013, 04:57 PM

She's a cutie, but I don't see 100% Yorkie in her. Could be there had been a mix with the line way back and it is just now showing up in this litter. This isn't the first time we have seen this type of thing here on YT. Your the second one that I know of that also had a DNA test done that came back pure breed Yorkie but there was nothing about the look of the pup that screamed pure Yorkie. Yorkie or not, regardless I'm sure she will be loved and spoiled just the same.

Kaylee32 · 10-08-2013, 05:03 PM

Yes she will be spoiled and loved regardless. Like I said I know that many times papers get faked and things, but i called the AKC and had everything verified and it all came back like the lady said. Plus we have known this lady forever and she has never had any other dogs beside Yorkies. She is still beautiful to us but it is just all very strange.

yorkietalkjilly · 10-08-2013, 05:57 PM

One time it was explained to me one way of how papers are switched to a non-purebred pup that isn't in an AKC, purebred registered litter - a litter in which perhaps one of the little purebred Yorkie pups unfortunately dies and its puppy papers become useless. Then a little non-purebred puppy of similar looks as the dead puppy is given the dead puppy's puppy papers and that little dog then technically "on paper" becomes an AKC-registered purebred Yorkie puppy, sold, perhaps bred and passed off, as an AKC registered purebred dog with a likely mutation of coat to explain its looks. As far as the DNA lab, just Google the reliability problems of dog DNA testing labs and you will see that apparently there are a host of issues with the quality and accuracy of work of labs doing breed DNA testing today.

That DNA-thread you were linked to by Marhcarter above explains some of the problems with how many of them work and why they aren't all that meticulous in their protocols, controls or reliability. That's just the way of the world this day and time. That's one possibility of how a non-purebred dog was bred and passed as a purebred Yorkshire Terrier with papers and a DNA test to show it's 100% Yorkshire Terrier. Still, mutations occur and your dog could have mutations in conformation, coat and coloring and be 100% Yorkie and the lab perfectly wonderful for all we know.

But on looks alone, the dog doesn't look Yorkie to me but as there is no way to adequately prove she isn't or get any money paid back without spending thousands in court for lawyers and investigator costs, with more tests, research into the inner workings of the DNA & peer DNA labs, DNA experts, etc., you can never know for sure. But when the dog is that cute, sweet and it's loved, little else matters if the dog won't be bred or shown, represented to the public as or sold as a purebred? If it were my dog, I wouldn't breed her but would just enjoy her for who she is and allow her to have a wonderful dog's life. She's a wonderful dog.

joyziegirl · 10-08-2013, 06:04 PM

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. But that aint no duck. I don't care what Mars says, they're really making themselves look bad. I'd be checking for a molera on the top of that pups head.

Marhcarter · 10-08-2013, 06:05 PM

Jeanie, wasn't there one member that registered her couch with the CKC, just to see if she could?

I agree. Love is all you need, and papers or "proof" doesn't mean a hill of beans. My first dog was a lab mix? rescue mutt, and I didn't think I could ever love a dog that much again.
I just get caught up in the science

Sorry!

yorkietalkjilly · 10-08-2013, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marhcarter

Jeanie, wasn't there one member that registered her couch with the CKC, just to see if she could?

I agree. Love is all you need, and papers or "proof" doesn't mean a hill of beans. My first dog was a lab mix? rescue mutt, and I didn't think I could ever love a dog that much again.
I just get caught up in the science

Sorry!

Haha! Never heard about that one but wouldn't put it past AKC, CKC or any of them to register anything that comes in with the full fee attached and the papers filled out!!!

WannaBe · 10-08-2013, 06:23 PM

If the littermates looked like pure yorkie with a yorkie coat, could there be another dad involved? Maybe the female was bred to a yorkie, then got tagged by a chi or something and the breeder was unscrupulous enough to not care and register them as pure anyways?

Kaylee32 · 10-08-2013, 06:31 PM

Yes all three of her other littermate's were nothing but yorkie. Like I said before, the lady that she got her from we have known forever and I have never seen her have anything but yorkies. We saw them not long after they were born and as they were getting older and there was never any other dogs around. the reason she got her was because she was always the one that came and crawled in her lap every time she came around. She is nothing but sweet and regardless she will be more than loved.

10-08-2013, 04:06 PM	#16
nanahas3 ♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,290	I know dna tests are suppose to be accurate but I would still question this one. She is adorable but no fluff anywhere. __________________ *CharleneMama to Laddy and Kyra and Always in our hearts Lolita*

10-08-2013, 04:13 PM	#18
DBlain Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Oakland County MI Posts: 6,190	wow even has a puppy she looked nothing like a yorkie. To me it's not just the lack of hair that keeps her from looking like a yorkie, it's her face, ears, body makeup etc. I see you have a yorkie, so your grandmother must have been familiar with what a yorkie should look like, I just can't understand when people want a yorkie and then buy one that looks nothing like one. I am not saying that she is not cute, I happen to like how she looks, but I am just shaking my head here wondering about how accurate some of these DNA tests are. I bet it must be frustrating for your grandmother when people keep asking what breed she is. __________________ Lola my amazing little yorkie-pom Donna

10-08-2013, 04:52 PM	#22
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Chi? Some MinPin? She sure doesn't look 100% Yorkie to me, DNA test, AKC papers or not. AKC papers can be fakes, manipulated, papers switched, etc. And we know all labs doing dog DNA tests aren't necessarily FBI-quality. That white under the throat, neck area and at the bottom of the chest area - not Yorkie markings and the conformation isn't typical Yorkie. I'd be more than a little suspicious of the lab doing the testing and the AKC papers. Precious little dog, though. Beautiful, rich coloring and wonderful head, body, gorgeous eyes. What a beauty this girl is! Looks like one of those little dogs you see on calendars wearing a red bow under the Christmas tree with a Christmas Stocking held in its mouth and pretty Christmas packages stacked all around. __________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis Last edited by yorkietalkjilly; 10-08-2013 at 04:54 PM.

10-08-2013, 04:57 PM	#23
dawn27 2+2=4 X the Love ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bean Town Ohio Posts: 9,456 Blog Entries: 1	She's a cutie, but I don't see 100% Yorkie in her. Could be there had been a mix with the line way back and it is just now showing up in this litter. This isn't the first time we have seen this type of thing here on YT. Your the second one that I know of that also had a DNA test done that came back pure breed Yorkie but there was nothing about the look of the pup that screamed pure Yorkie. Yorkie or not, regardless I'm sure she will be loved and spoiled just the same. __________________ Mommy to: Quincy, & Ruby Bella / Miah & Brandi Gone but Never Forgotten Visit: Bella Dawns for all of your Custom Pet Wear needs.

10-08-2013, 05:57 PM	#25
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	One time it was explained to me one way of how papers are switched to a non-purebred pup that isn't in an AKC, purebred registered litter - a litter in which perhaps one of the little purebred Yorkie pups unfortunately dies and its puppy papers become useless. Then a little non-purebred puppy of similar looks as the dead puppy is given the dead puppy's puppy papers and that little dog then technically "on paper" becomes an AKC-registered purebred Yorkie puppy, sold, perhaps bred and passed off, as an AKC registered purebred dog with a likely mutation of coat to explain its looks. As far as the DNA lab, just Google the reliability problems of dog DNA testing labs and you will see that apparently there are a host of issues with the quality and accuracy of work of labs doing breed DNA testing today. That DNA-thread you were linked to by Marhcarter above explains some of the problems with how many of them work and why they aren't all that meticulous in their protocols, controls or reliability. That's just the way of the world this day and time. That's one possibility of how a non-purebred dog was bred and passed as a purebred Yorkshire Terrier with papers and a DNA test to show it's 100% Yorkshire Terrier. Still, mutations occur and your dog could have mutations in conformation, coat and coloring and be 100% Yorkie and the lab perfectly wonderful for all we know. But on looks alone, the dog doesn't look Yorkie to me but as there is no way to adequately prove she isn't or get any money paid back without spending thousands in court for lawyers and investigator costs, with more tests, research into the inner workings of the DNA & peer DNA labs, DNA experts, etc., you can never know for sure. But when the dog is that cute, sweet and it's loved, little else matters if the dog won't be bred or shown, represented to the public as or sold as a purebred? If it were my dog, I wouldn't breed her but would just enjoy her for who she is and allow her to have a wonderful dog's life. She's a wonderful dog. __________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis

10-08-2013, 04:19 PM	#20
Kaylee32 YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 406 Blog Entries: 1	She paid for the papers and all and evreything with AKC checks right. I even called them and made sure of all the validity. regardless she is adorable and she is a sweetheart. The picture I posted was a few weeks ago and she has recently started to get hair on her legs and chest. As I mentioned before all of her other brothers and sisters were all hairy yorkies. We did house visits from the a week after they were born until she received her. My grandmother is friends with the lady who owned her so I know she does not own any other dogs besides her male and female yorkie.

10-08-2013, 05:03 PM	#24
Kaylee32 YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 406 Blog Entries: 1	Yes she will be spoiled and loved regardless. Like I said I know that many times papers get faked and things, but i called the AKC and had everything verified and it all came back like the lady said. Plus we have known this lady forever and she has never had any other dogs beside Yorkies. She is still beautiful to us but it is just all very strange.

10-08-2013, 06:04 PM	#26
joyziegirl BANNED! Join Date: May 2013 Location: Joyzie Posts: 44 Blog Entries: 2	If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. But that aint no duck. I don't care what Mars says, they're really making themselves look bad. I'd be checking for a molera on the top of that pups head. Last edited by joyziegirl; 10-08-2013 at 06:05 PM.

10-08-2013, 06:05 PM	#27
Marhcarter ♡Huey's Human♡ Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ringgold, Ga Posts: 3,333	Jeanie, wasn't there one member that registered her couch with the CKC, just to see if she could? I agree. Love is all you need, and papers or "proof" doesn't mean a hill of beans. My first dog was a lab mix? rescue mutt, and I didn't think I could ever love a dog that much again. I just get caught up in the science Sorry! __________________ Huey's mom, Marilyn :When a day starts & ends with puppy kisses, I can handle anything that comes in between!

10-08-2013, 06:23 PM	#29
WannaBe YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 927	If the littermates looked like pure yorkie with a yorkie coat, could there be another dad involved? Maybe the female was bred to a yorkie, then got tagged by a chi or something and the breeder was unscrupulous enough to not care and register them as pure anyways? __________________ Gunner Love of my life. MeSo-toe:

10-08-2013, 06:31 PM	#30
Kaylee32 YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 406 Blog Entries: 1	Yes all three of her other littermate's were nothing but yorkie. Like I said before, the lady that she got her from we have known forever and I have never seen her have anything but yorkies. We saw them not long after they were born and as they were getting older and there was never any other dogs around. the reason she got her was because she was always the one that came and crawled in her lap every time she came around. She is nothing but sweet and regardless she will be more than loved.