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red98vett · 12-31-2005, 04:50 PM

LOL Irene - I think I just debated with my own self too !

and I agree with what you said - you were way less wordy than me and you made an excellent point

YorkieRini · 12-31-2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red98vett

LOL Irene - I think I just debated with my own self too !

and I agree with what you said - you were way less wordy than me and you made an excellent point

I was less wordy?!! I must give myself a pat on the back!

As many of you know, that RARELY happens..lolol

SnowWa · 12-31-2005, 05:22 PM

Purebreds are as responsible for (or more responsible for) puppy mills than mixed breds...including "designer mutts."

Mutts - designer mutts - and purebreds can also come from good, pet-loving homes.

If I remember correctly, I have seen darling little puppymill dogs tagged as a "lab mix" in puppy stores. The prices were lower than purebreds - but they were still puppymill dogs.

I tried to stop this thread from turning into a "puppymill" issue. I thought it would be interesting to just see different reactions to these new little puppies that are mixed breeds.

Of course, puppy mills jump on anything that might bring in a profit. This is something we all hate - mainly because of the lack of care and lack of loving attention these little dogs get. They are just breeding stock - nothing more. It is horrible.

Guess we can't talk about puppies - without talking about puppymills. They are always lurking in the background, aren't they? This is unfortunate.

Breeding dogs, in itself, is always a questionable issue. I know you won't be surprised at how many well-meaning people have said to me, "Oh, why don't you breed your Yorkie - you could make some money, you know." Unfortuately, this is a concept often help by the general public - not just puppymill facilities. And, alternatively, a lot of healthy little pets that are sold to good homes do come from people like me....purebred or not.

I am not going to breed my little guy. He's getting neutered as soon as he is old enough. Every pet I have ever owned has been neutered or spayed...including most of the men and women in my family at some point. We like it this way!

Carol Jean

red98vett · 12-31-2005, 05:28 PM

Carol Jean - I know what you mean - my Brothers girlfriend & I just had this same talk - she just doesn't understand why I didn't breed Chanel or Cheri... Matter of fact.... every holiday I go thru the same discussion with her - and I love my brothers girlfriend - but she sees yorkies or other high dollar doggies as a way to make money.

and I agree on the Purebreds being the big seller for mills - but that's the point - why add MORE dogs...such as 'expensive' mixes to that problem ?

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-31-2005, 05:34 PM

I believe the thread starter was referring to responsible breeders who breed two purebred dogs of different breeds together, not irresponsible pet owners who just throw any two dogs together or allow "accidents" to happen. My post was assuming the same responsible breeders involved.

I think we can all agree that all dogs deserve the best vet care from the beginning of life to the end, whether they are purebred or mixed breed. If this is the case, there is a cost to having any puppies and we should not expect them to be "free". If a pet owner allows his dog to have puppies and decides not to charge for the puppies for whatever reason, that is fine, but I am sure we all hope he will take the best care possible of them and do what is in the mother's best interests as well as the puppies. If he doesn't get compensated for his expenses by choice that is not a problem.

As responsible pet owners we all know that the initial cost of a dog is a small pittance in comparison to the cost of properly caring for the dog for a lifetime and the cost of raising a dog is the same basically on average whether it is a purebred or a mixed breed (although I have heard as Carol has that some vets feel purebreds have more health problems than mixed breeds). This is the primary reason I do not get upset when breeders charge a lot for their hard work and it surprises me when other breeders....who know how hard it is...condemn their fellow hobbyists for charging for their time and effort and according to supply and demand. There is nothing dishonorable about making a profit from a hobby you love.

As far as the argument about all the dogs in the shelter...there are purebreds in the shelters as well as mixed breeds so this argument only makes sense if you are opposed to ALL breeding of ALL dogs, purebred or otherwise.

To answer your question Irene...IMO this is absolutely how new breeds are started. Breeders identify a "need" whether it is for a "ratter", as the breeders who developed the yorkies identified, or a hypoallergenic dog as the breeders of some of the hybrid breeds have identified as a need, they experiment and put breeds together to come up with a dog that satisfies that need. Yorkie developers put other terriers together and then the maltese for the smallness factor to develop the yorkie.

YorkieRini · 12-31-2005, 05:34 PM

Carol Jean,

I apologize for mentioning mills but that's the MAJORITY who is pumping out these puppies and I want voice that on this thread because there could be TONS of people reading it.

The internet has really be a way for them to market and sell mass amounts of puppies.

I know the mills will never go away and it makes me very upset. This thread is important because of these "designer mutts' are becoming so popular.

feminvstr · 12-31-2005, 05:37 PM

http://www.preciouspuppies.net/designer_puppies.php

here is a good example designer mutts and purebreds

red98vett · 12-31-2005, 05:41 PM

Irene and Carol Jean - Both of you have made really informative posts - I think you said alot that gives people a reason to think.

When I hear someone spend a thousand for a mix I tend to cringe - it's their choice.... but only encourages others to get into the Breeding 'profession'

we can only try to help educate the people that come here to read and hope they tell 2 friends... who tell 2 friends....who tell 2 friends....that really is where we our Power - Our words.

YorkieRini · 12-31-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

http://www.preciouspuppies.net/designer_puppies.php

here is a good example designer mutts and purebreds

That place is nausiating!! I can't believe how many slots to fill for puppies. You bet there is another puppy waiting behind each one of the photos to be next in line for sale. Yet, the rescues and animals in shelters get left to the way side. These are just my personal feeling about this. It hurts to see these little beings not knowing where they will end up!

feminvstr · 12-31-2005, 05:43 PM

here is a great article
http://www.global.net.au/~aegis/puppyfarms.htm

red98vett · 12-31-2005, 05:46 PM

AMEN - did you see those SAD SAD Faces ? I've seen that site before

That 2nd link Feminvstr posted says it all - & that Precious pups is a FACTORY site for puppies. It makes me sick too

YorkieRini · 12-31-2005, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feminvstr

here is a great article
http://www.global.net.au/~aegis/puppyfarms.htm

Great article! obviously not read enough!

feminvstr · 12-31-2005, 06:19 PM

http://www.shilohshepherds.info/rareBreeds.htm
this too is interesting

YorkieRini · 12-31-2005, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feminvstr

http://www.shilohshepherds.info/rareBreeds.htm
this too is interesting

Thank. Dropped that one in my favs..gonna put a link on my site. It covers the basics..what registries and not to believe everythign you read, that's just common sense but we all could use a reminder of that sometimes.

red98vett · 12-31-2005, 06:36 PM

Wow was that good information ...I almost wish that was a sticky here - it really spells out all the scams that are going on ...amazing.

12-31-2005, 04:50 PM	#16
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	LOL Irene - I think I just debated with my own self too ! and I agree with what you said - you were way less wordy than me and you made an excellent point __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-31-2005, 05:22 PM	#18
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	Purebreds are as responsible for (or more responsible for) puppy mills than mixed breds...including "designer mutts." Mutts - designer mutts - and purebreds can also come from good, pet-loving homes. If I remember correctly, I have seen darling little puppymill dogs tagged as a "lab mix" in puppy stores. The prices were lower than purebreds - but they were still puppymill dogs. I tried to stop this thread from turning into a "puppymill" issue. I thought it would be interesting to just see different reactions to these new little puppies that are mixed breeds. Of course, puppy mills jump on anything that might bring in a profit. This is something we all hate - mainly because of the lack of care and lack of loving attention these little dogs get. They are just breeding stock - nothing more. It is horrible. Guess we can't talk about puppies - without talking about puppymills. They are always lurking in the background, aren't they? This is unfortunate. Breeding dogs, in itself, is always a questionable issue. I know you won't be surprised at how many well-meaning people have said to me, "Oh, why don't you breed your Yorkie - you could make some money, you know." Unfortuately, this is a concept often help by the general public - not just puppymill facilities. And, alternatively, a lot of healthy little pets that are sold to good homes do come from people like me....purebred or not. I am not going to breed my little guy. He's getting neutered as soon as he is old enough. Every pet I have ever owned has been neutered or spayed...including most of the men and women in my family at some point. We like it this way! Carol Jean __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words.

12-31-2005, 05:28 PM	#19
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Carol Jean - I know what you mean - my Brothers girlfriend & I just had this same talk - she just doesn't understand why I didn't breed Chanel or Cheri... Matter of fact.... every holiday I go thru the same discussion with her - and I love my brothers girlfriend - but she sees yorkies or other high dollar doggies as a way to make money. and I agree on the Purebreds being the big seller for mills - but that's the point - why add MORE dogs...such as 'expensive' mixes to that problem ? __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-31-2005, 05:37 PM	#22
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	http://www.preciouspuppies.net/designer_puppies.php here is a good example designer mutts and purebreds __________________ Kimberly

12-31-2005, 05:41 PM	#23
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Irene and Carol Jean - Both of you have made really informative posts - I think you said alot that gives people a reason to think. When I hear someone spend a thousand for a mix I tend to cringe - it's their choice.... but only encourages others to get into the Breeding 'profession' we can only try to help educate the people that come here to read and hope they tell 2 friends... who tell 2 friends....who tell 2 friends....that really is where we our Power - Our words. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-31-2005, 05:34 PM	#20
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I believe the thread starter was referring to responsible breeders who breed two purebred dogs of different breeds together, not irresponsible pet owners who just throw any two dogs together or allow "accidents" to happen. My post was assuming the same responsible breeders involved. I think we can all agree that all dogs deserve the best vet care from the beginning of life to the end, whether they are purebred or mixed breed. If this is the case, there is a cost to having any puppies and we should not expect them to be "free". If a pet owner allows his dog to have puppies and decides not to charge for the puppies for whatever reason, that is fine, but I am sure we all hope he will take the best care possible of them and do what is in the mother's best interests as well as the puppies. If he doesn't get compensated for his expenses by choice that is not a problem. As responsible pet owners we all know that the initial cost of a dog is a small pittance in comparison to the cost of properly caring for the dog for a lifetime and the cost of raising a dog is the same basically on average whether it is a purebred or a mixed breed (although I have heard as Carol has that some vets feel purebreds have more health problems than mixed breeds). This is the primary reason I do not get upset when breeders charge a lot for their hard work and it surprises me when other breeders....who know how hard it is...condemn their fellow hobbyists for charging for their time and effort and according to supply and demand. There is nothing dishonorable about making a profit from a hobby you love. As far as the argument about all the dogs in the shelter...there are purebreds in the shelters as well as mixed breeds so this argument only makes sense if you are opposed to ALL breeding of ALL dogs, purebred or otherwise. To answer your question Irene...IMO this is absolutely how new breeds are started. Breeders identify a "need" whether it is for a "ratter", as the breeders who developed the yorkies identified, or a hypoallergenic dog as the breeders of some of the hybrid breeds have identified as a need, they experiment and put breeds together to come up with a dog that satisfies that need. Yorkie developers put other terriers together and then the maltese for the smallness factor to develop the yorkie.

12-31-2005, 05:34 PM	#21
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	Carol Jean, I apologize for mentioning mills but that's the MAJORITY who is pumping out these puppies and I want voice that on this thread because there could be TONS of people reading it. The internet has really be a way for them to market and sell mass amounts of puppies. I know the mills will never go away and it makes me very upset. This thread is important because of these "designer mutts' are becoming so popular.

12-31-2005, 05:43 PM	#25
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	here is a great article http://www.global.net.au/~aegis/puppyfarms.htm __________________ Kimberly

12-31-2005, 05:46 PM	#26
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	AMEN - did you see those SAD SAD Faces ? I've seen that site before That 2nd link Feminvstr posted says it all - & that Precious pups is a FACTORY site for puppies. It makes me sick too __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-31-2005, 06:19 PM	#28
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	http://www.shilohshepherds.info/rareBreeds.htm this too is interesting __________________ Kimberly

12-31-2005, 06:36 PM	#30
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Wow was that good information ...I almost wish that was a sticky here - it really spells out all the scams that are going on ...amazing. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!