Where Did It Go/Poor Things
 

I didn't want to make two threads, since both of the topics are related.
A neighbor is interested in yorkies. Knocked on me door all excited because she had found some BLUE YORKIES!! OMG ARE THEY RARE???!!! for sale.

I started the litany of what to look for, what you want, do not want, and hopefully scared her straight about the potential dangers of blue borns.

I wanted to guide her towards what to look for from a reputable breeder and the health tests to ask about, and went looking for the thread that was made and people thought should have been stickied about what kind of health tests should people look for from their puppies parents.
The search is acting wonky for me.. NOTHING is showing up.

Does anyone know where that thread is?

And because I thought you'd all like to see the pics...

.........omg..................

That's what I thought when I saw them and the neighbor was asking me which one she should buy.. I'm like NEITHER!!!! for the love of all that is doggy, PLEASE do not buy either of those puppies or ANYTHING from that site..
Every time I look at them I don't know if I want to cry or choke someone senseless. And we all know that I have very liberal ideas about breeding (compared to some)...

I'd still like to find that thread, so I can try to point her in the right direction, and show her what she should be looking for.
I believe that education is key, and since I don't breed, I don't have this information to pull from the top of my head to try to educate her.

That's crazy and I feel so bad for the people who get suckered into that and end up with a sick pup.

You said it!

I hope you talked her out of both pups! Makes me want to cry, throw up, and smack a breeder all at the same time! I honestly can't believe what some have done to our breed!

The search is not working for me either. I know our member KendraE has a blue born and there were lots of discussions about him early on. Maybe you can find some of her posts, they may be helpful.

Those poor babies... I'm glad you told her the truth. Do you know what she has decided?

Did you see the Merle thread? I honestly had both physical and emotional illness over that one...still can't believe it...its in the breeding section.

I'll go look at that one too Lynzy.. might as well since I'm already sick :(

OP Here is one thread I found, there is probably more in the library.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ead-first.html

I am hoping I talked her out of it. You never know with people. I know I talked her out of getting one at a pet store..
She really is a good at heart kind of person. If she does get a yorkie, I do think she'd be a good owner. This past spring she put down her Irish setter that was something like 16 years old.. The dog was always groomed and shining and as healthy as a 16 setter can be, until he had a stroke. And then she did the right thing by him, which I can only respect.
I told her to go online and look for reputable breeders since she has been trying to steal Sabre and Pixie from the time she saw them, and had been saying when they put Mon Mon (Cinnamon Mon) down that she would look into a yorkie when she was ready...
I mean at least she is trying to do some due diligence and research, I have been pointing her to this forum since she expressed interest, but she "doesn't do the online thing"... *shrug*
But the horrors of those poor little pups, and not being able to find that thread... I wish it HAD been stickied.. I thought it was a good idea to have something like that readily accessible.

Verbena has a great blog post about questions to ask. Not sure if that is what you are talking about, but I'll try to find it and link it here.

Here it is..
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/blo...questions.html

Thank you, but that wasn't the one.
The thread had a few posts where specific genetic tests that buyers should be looking for the results of.
All I can think of off my head was OFAs CERFs, there is a PRA test for yorkies, hyperuricosia (something like that, I can't remember how iot's spelled and my eyes are rolling back in my head), and a few others.

The whole thing was about how buyers are told to make sure the breeder does genetic tests, but what genetic tests should buyers be looking for... something like that.
I have looked between pages 175 and 155... Because I think it was initially posted in December through Feb possibly...
I'm going to get back to it after I wake up, if I can get some sleep.

Can you get the site your friendfound these pups on & post it here. I for one will contact this so called breeder & set them straight on these so called "rare" blue pups.

There have been so many great, informative threads recently about genetics thanks to pstinard. Apparently, he is a geneticist & has lots of good info tucked inside his head as well as connections that help him with some of the issues we've seen here on YT. Here are several that he's involved in that may be what you're looking for concerning the Blue genes:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...or-thread.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...s-infancy.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...le-yorkie.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...yesterday.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...uld-mixed.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...vs-biewer.html

How horrible for those puppies, and they will probably end up with someone who hasn't a clue what it all means, or they'll become ill and their owner won't know why.

I don't know much, but 1 test I recommend especially for Yorkies is bile acid testing. It tests the function and performance of their liver. Enzyme testing is usually recommended, but all that shows is damage or inflammation (when there's already something wrong with them). Bile acid testing is a good "foretelling" rather than after the fact.

I'm back to searching.
This post predates pstinard.
I'd be happy to have a discussion sometime on the DD gene, but this thread specifically was about what health tests should buyers look for.

Here are two things from the YT library that might be helpful:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/pup...ml#post4142424

The other thread:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...ml#post3484071

Gemy has some posts like the one you are talking about maybe you could search her threads.

The problem is the search is not working for me.
When I put in a search term, and enter, it comes up with a blank page.

I don't know if this will work. It's all of the threads started by Gemy. She most definitely should be able to help you with this.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sea...archid=6585350

Its a broker...their disclaimer is p the front of the page...arrghhhh

Lancaster Puppies | Puppies for Sale in PA & OH

For one thing I don't know why someone who wanted a Yorkie would be interested in those pups.

Also I thought I had bookmarked the following thread but I did not. I will this time. Gemy posted this not too long ago and it is VERY informative. Maybe it will help you.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...s-yorkies.html

gemy is our resident expert on genetic tests for health defects in Yorkies. She recently listed the recommended tests somewhere in the Merle thread:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...le-yorkie.html

YES!!!!
This is the one I was looking for.
I had worked my way down to page 100 and was taking a break...

Thank you so much, I was going crazy because I knew it was somewhere, I just didn't know where. (page 82, I was almost there, lol)

It's called ignorance. She came to me excited, because she thought they were something good and I set her straight on that.
My dogs are really the only decent looking dogs in the neighborhood, and Sabre doesn't have the right hair. Everyone else has yorkies that look like those one.. long faces, scraggly fur, I mean very very very substandard. So if what she sees looks just like those puppies, how is she to know better?
I spent the better part of an hour with her, showing her pics of yorkies that are of high quality so she could see the difference in what she sees on the street, and what a good yorkie looks like and even how MY OWN dogs fall short of the standard.

Hopefully she's taken something away from it. Hopefully she won't go to that site again... Hopefully...
And now I am going to bookmark that thread, and when we talk again, probably tomorrow, I'm going to give her some more information on finding a good yorkie.

those poor pups// so glad that you are educating her

Shhhhh... it was just an excuse to drool over gorgeous yorkies.... :D

In the library there is one called Guide to Finding a Reputable breeder.

And here is one that was stickified: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/pup...ml#post4142424

OOps IT seems like you found what you were looking for.

Thank God you have got through on the "blue borns". and all I can say is OMFL. And may I say those pics look not like a purebred YOrkie? But after being wrong on another thread.... that big one you know "I am getting a dna test done, then what?" I hesitate to even post this opinion.

All you can do for your friend is print out what you think might help educate her, and support her in her decision to find a good breeder.

I'm still scratching my head over that one. One would think that one the genetic markers for the breed would be... I don't know... the LONG FUR GENE...

It makes me wonder if a dog that is so off from the breed phenotype.. just how accurate the DNA test is.
I mean, I remember when the test was first released a women did one on her champion Am Staff and it came back half border collie quarter bulldog, quarter boston terrier, and I can kinda see the last two, because the three breeds do share a genetic base, but half border collie??
And in that thread someone did say they knew of a pure shepherd that they had bred themselves for 6 generations coming back not a pure shepherd so... *shrugs* I just don't know.

In the merle thread, someone did say how there are those "gaming the system" by back crossing for color then breeding back to yorkies and these dogs after a number of backcrossing are testing as pure, when we know and they know they're not.

I haven't run into her tonight, but I txt her that thread URL, as well as most of the others that were posted, so she knows what to look for in a breeder... I think the phrase I can show you better than I can tell you apllies here, and I do think me showing her what a high quality yorkie looks like compared to what was being offered on that site showed her better than anything that I could tell her, you know?
I'm just hoping and praying that it gets through to her. It's just sad that sites like that even exist. It's sickening that there is such a demand for dogs that isn't being met, and so these people have a ready market for their poorly bred dogs.
All dogs to deserve homes, all dogs deserve to be love... But let's be honest, not all dogs deserve to be bred. And if fewer people bought these dogs, fewer of them will be bred.