Parti Yorkie vs Biewer
 

They look so much alike. I know the parti yorkie has a docked tail while the Biewer has a tail. I really like both.:)

Parti yorkie is an off color yorkshire terrier that can be AKC registered. Biewer is a breed of its own. It was developed in Germany in the 1980s by Werner Biewer. Biewer breeders take great care in ensuring that their puppies lineage can be traced back direclty to the original German Biewers.

However, many breeders try to sell the parti as a Biewer because you can probably get more $$ for the Biewer at this time.

It's a controversial issue for sure. Biewer's developed through the pairing of 2 Champion Yorkshire Terriers with a recessive gene. So, some would argue that they're all yorkies.

However, others state that the Biewer is a breed unto itself - created by Mr. Biewer's yorkies - that does not have any other yorkies mixed in to it.

The personality of the Biewer is said to be gentler and more laid back than the typical yorkie. Also, I think the weight standard can go up to 8 lbs.

You'll see some breeders sell both Parti yorkies & Biewers. I would never trust that their Biewer lines were pure back to Germany.

I'm new to the Biewer also. I'm getting one in August from Deb of Biewers by the Bay (also in Virginia Beach!)-- who's also a member here.

I'll say that any tri-color yorkie or Biewer gets a higher price. They're very very beautiful.

Good luck, Tracey

Hi. I have both a Biewer terrier and a Yorkie, 7 months and 10 months. They have two distinct personalities. My Biewer is 4 pounds (he was charted to be between 3-3.5) and my Yorkie is 3.5 pounds. I call them my diva and my Biewer! He is lovable and a ball of fire, she is a typical Yorkie - stubborn, standoffish and with a mind of her own. I don't want to start any civil wars here, but the Biewer is just more laid back. If you can't make up your mind, do what we did and get one of each :)

I read somewhere that Biewers carry a gene for "Irish spotting," which is different from the "piebald spotting" gene that Parti's carry. That is why Biewers have a more consistent color than Partis.

The biewers carry the piebald gene. The should have a pure white belly, breast and front paws with a black band around the middle. The rest of the puppy can have black and white ramdomly but the tip of the tail should be white. The face has three colors, black, white and brown. After researching for weeks and emailing breeders across the country, this seems to be the standard.

It DOES take a lot of research to understand the difference. AND you'll come across varying opinions - even from the most well-reputed breeders. I'd suggest that if you're interested in a Biewer that you speak directly to the breeder of choice and ask tons of questions.

I have a yorkie and I'm looking forward to my Biewer. I'm also looking forward to the "laid back" personality of the Biewer as well.

Good luck. Tracey

I have a biewer, and if hes "laid back" then I couldnt handle a yorkie! LOL Hes really a ball of fun, and wonderful with my children, just has a lot of energy. But hes very smart, and from some of the stories I hear, he was fairly simple to potty train.

My Sasha is a parti yorkie. Before she was given to me I had never even heard of a parti colored Yorkie. I love her to death, no matter her color :D

Go back to my post above where I wrote my Biewer is a ball of fire. Yep, that's the Biewer but he is the most loveable little stinker there is. He is a hoot!

What a doll!

Pam

My Jersey is a Biewer...while she is calmer than my two other Yorkies....she is a little she-devil! If there is a disagreement, you can bet your last dime she was the instigator! Love the little heathen to bits, but boy....the energy on this one is amazing!!

...and how many times have you found the bow or tie from your Yorkie's top-knot in your biewer's mouth? Every time I see my Yorkie with hair hanging in her eyes, I know to look in Bandit's mouth. He has a real fixation with her top-knot. He doesn't have one. With his attitude towards life, he doesn't need one :). They are the original Lady and the Tramp - gave them the wrong names!!!!!

Yup, Raelle will come to me with a look that says 'Mom can you fix this, cuz I can't see?' Turn to figure out where in the world her bow went.....there is Jersey happily chewing away on Raelle's bow! :eek: And you know it has to be a bow that cost me some serious $$ right??!! :rolleyes: Those things are NOT cheap!!

Yes.. there is and I guess always will be a controversy around the Biewers.. I do think it's funny that those just "new" to the Biewer line feel confident enough to spout facts about them.. Kind of like religion, everyone thinks there's is the ONLY one true and rightful path! Hogwash!!

I would advice anyone THINKING about getting a Biewer to do ALOT of research before jumping into this line of yorkies.. it can
be a very expensive, heartbreaking proposition, especially to those who "follow blindly"

Diana :animal-pa

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The Biewer, named after the founder,originated in Germany in the mid 80's. Over the years they are selectively bred and a standard was set. The standard is similar to the Yorkie, but calls for specific color placement. White paws, tip of the tail, symetrical coloring on the head and face, etc and no docking of tail. It has been recognized as a separate breed by some organization and can be shown in some venues. Not in the AKC

Partis are tri-colored Yorkies. They can be registered with but not shown in AKC. Can be shown in some other venues. There is no standard set for them that allows for the non-standard coloring, but typically, most Parti breeders follow the YT standard with color as the exception.

Biewer info can be found here...

Biewer Breed Club of America

You can get more info on the Parti Yorkie here...

Yorkshire Terrier - PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB

actually, there is a standard written for the Parti Yorkshire Terrier.. It is what they are shown under.

Parti's go by the Yorkshire Terrier Standard except for color.

Wow:(:confused::(

from what I have seen and read the Biewers are fun loving happy balls of fluff and energy, to me that's a good thing since I would not want a stuffed animal that pees and poop. I also get the sense that the posters/owners of them feel lovingly the same way. I am assuming some on this thread of breeders of Biewers, which is so cool, I love that breed, but geeeeeze hopefully I am wrong, but it almost sounds like some posts are condescending towards new owners of that breed. Biewers are expensive pups, $1,500 to $2,000.00 for a pet quality, so I would think anyone spending that kind of money on a dog would learn everything they could about the breed. While I am sure they would not know near what a breeder would I would think they would have been educated enough by their breeder to answer a few basic questions. It would be nice of those that felt they are in the know to tell us what they know instead of pointing out how little others might know.

Also for those that feel intimidated buying from show breeders I understand why you might feel like that

I read these posts and second guess if my Pixi is a Biewer or a Parti colored Yorkie. The parents both were traditional Yorkies. Sighhh...It is so confusing.

Well said.

I am randomly butting in here, and I am not a genetic expert. However I am under the impression if your yorkie came from two traditional yorkies she would have to be a parti. I know any yorkie can be a parti carrier but the biewers are a separately recognized breed that's linage can be traced back to Germany. So your dog would need to have biewer parents, with german lineage. I am not sure if a biewer can have tradition coloring or not. But I think all biewers have to be showing biewer coloring. Also the parents would have long tails, and so would your yorkie because a breeder of biewers would not dock the tail.

Well, the Biewer has only been in existence since the 1980's. It's fairly easy to research the history of the breed and the controversy surrounding its acceptance. It's not too difficult to become knowedgable about most of the issues and concerns surrounding the Biewer.

If there's a differing point of view that has not already been expressed, then why not share it?

I just sense a little upset in your post. Reading the entire thread, I don't really understand why???

Best wishes, Tracey

Here is the best explanation of the difference between Biewer Terriers and Yorkshire Terriers that I can find, because at least it is documented by MARS testing documents, even if the figures are low resolution:

Evaluation of DNA  Changes in a New Dog Breed

The conclusion is that Biewers are their own separate breed. They differ from Yorkshire Terriers in that they are homozygous recessive for a piebald gene located on chromosome 20, and a large section of chromosome 5 that seems to be closely related to the chromosome 5 of the Havanese and Maltese breeds. How that section of chromosome 5 got there is a matter of great debate, because the lines giving rise to Biewers were supposedly purebred Yorkshire Terriers based on pedigree records. But then again, pedigree records from that time period (the 1980's and before) are based on a breeder's honesty, since they preceded the era of DNA testing.

MARS Labs currently distinguishes between Yorkshire Terriers and Biewer Terriers in its purebred tests, and Biewer breeders are urged to breed their Biewers ONLY with other Biewers and not with Yorkshire Terriers.

I'm not as certain about DNA test results for Parti Yorkies, but I understand that at least some of them test as purebred Yorkshire Terriers, so they are distinct from Biewers, and probably arose from a spontaneous mutation of the coat color gene to piebald spotting within purebred Yorkshire Terrier lines.

Here is a little technical information about the piebald spotting gene (called MITF) located on chromosome 20. Evidently, both the piebald and the Irish spotting mutations are not directly inside the MITF gene, but are located next to the MITF gene, and affect its regulation and expression. Here are links to the articles for the scientifically inclined:

http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/Karlsson...%20piebald.pdf

MITF and White Spotting in Dogs: A Population Study

The reason why I am upset is because you all have bits and pieces of knowledge.. this controversy has gone on for years, and you are not even touching the surface!!!.

I have had Biewers since 2006.. brought them over from Germany. They are NOT their own Breed.. they are yorkies.. the were born from yorkies.. if nothing was bred into them, they remain yorkies. The MARS test is not a reliable test.. the data used to determine the Biewer Terrier,( not the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier, which is the Dogs we originally brought over in the early 2000's) was questionable at best!

Once you read through ALL of the posts that are here on YT.. then maybe you will get some idea of what you all are talking about!! But right now, it would take years to bring you up to speed. There just isn't enough time in the day. It isn't because I'm a breeder that I don't want to help new people.. it just makes me angry that people THINK they can just go around spouting all of this JUNK! Well.. before you've invested 8 years of your life and many MANY thousands of dollars into these YORKIES (and believe me, they are yorkies, not a separate breed my opinion of course)or at least you've read ALL there is to read about them so you can make an EDUCATED decision, and not one based on limited knowledge... then please, at least state things as your opinion, and not fact!.

If you want good information, go to this website.. you will get some REAL information about Biewers and Parti's http://www.snowblueyorkies.com/

I'm curious, did you have your Biewers MARS tested using their purebred test AFTER they added Biewers as a separate breed, and if so, what were the results? And, do you breed your Biewers to other Biewers, or do you breed them with Yorkies and then re-extract the color gene in later generations? (Please be honest in your answer.)

If you have any evidence that Biewers are Yorkshire Terriers and not their own separate breed, then please present it.

The Parti Yorkshire Terrier is allowed to be registered with the AKC. They have been DNA'd and proved to be Yorkshire Terriers. The Parti yorkie DOES have a standard, otherwise it would not be allowed to be shown. The Parti Yorkie is not its own breed so as a true Yorkshire Terrier, it must go under the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, which does not recognize it and will not allow it to be shown in the ring.

This is the same issue Mr Biewer faced when he wanted to show his Parti colored puppies. The Yorkshire Terrier club in Germany would not allow him to show them as they were "off color". So, in order to show them.. he MADE THEM THEIR OWN BREED!!! Convenient! Wish it was so easy to do.

Diana:animal-pa

Also, I'm curious as to whether you believe your Biewers are related to the Biewers described by this Biewer Terrier History or do you think they did genetic testing on a group of dogs that is different from yours?

Hi, I do understand what you are saying here. The AKC recognizes Parti Yorkies because they came from AKC registered Yorkies and are therefore presumed to be purebred, just with a different color from traditional Yorkies. The YTCA does not allow them to be shown because the colors do not adhere to breed standards.