yorkie mix being sold akc registered?

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by yorkiemom71

I bought several colored yorkies from a breeder and they were mar's tested and to be found they have mix breed in them. The breeder says that back in the lines there were some breeders that mixed in mix breed in the lines to get color, but its not her fault, she is not the only breeder that is breeding un-pure dogs, apparently there are a lot of breeders breeding un-pure lines and they know the lines are bad and they are still doing it. They say as long as it looks like a yorkie breed it anyway, even with the mix breed in it, they are selling these dogs for a lot of money and they are mixed breeds. Akc is doing nothing about this. Does anymore care about this, I bought registered colored yorkies to breed, I can not breed these dogs and sell their puppies as pure breed registered yorkie, like what so many other breeders are doing with these colored yorkies.

IF the dog you had tested as sold to you as an AKC registered dog, I think that you should definitely contact the AKC with as much documentation as you can, including AKC numbers of the dog and its parents, and the results of the MARS test, and the statements from the person who sold you the dog. Breeders should not be breeding in other breeds to get their colors and then calling the progeny purebred, and the AKC should not be registering such dogs. But if the dogs are not AKC registered, or if they are registered with a less reputable registry, there is not much you can do about it .

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by yorkiemom71

My profile picture is the dog I had tested she is 6 months old, her dad is a AKC chocolate registered yorkie and mom is a AKC Registered Parti yorkie.
Her test came back she is 25% mix breed, 75% yorkie, the mix breed is coming from her chocolate Registered AKC sire.


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Oh, okay, I see that the dogs ARE AKC registered. Did you write to the AKC, and if so, what did they tell you?

[yorkiemom71]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Oh, okay, I see that the dogs ARE AKC registered. Did you write to the AKC, and if so, what did they tell you?

A lot of these un-pure lines have been bought to AKC attention, AKC has not pulled the papers on these dogs, Akc don't accept the mar's test, akc is letting breeders to continue breeding these un-pure lines.

Well when you think of it, blonde yorkies, chocolate yorkies, as very un-common to get what is the chances of a pure bred yorkie producing one?
but yet in the last few years there are lots and lots of chocolate and blonde yorkies, I really think most of these colored yorkie's are from un-pure mixed lines. also do you know that if you keep breeding these colors back to a full yorkie eventually they will be pure breed.

The same thing is happening now with the merle color, I know it is happening in the poodles now and will soon be in the yorkies too, Breeders are breeding a merle to a poodle and keeping back a Merle puppy and then breeding it back to a full poodle again, you will soon see this in the yorkies too, merle yorkies.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by yorkiemom71

A lot of these un-pure lines have been bought to AKC attention, AKC has not pulled the papers on these dogs, Akc don't accept the mar's test, akc is letting breeders to continue breeding these un-pure lines.

Well when you think of it, blonde yorkies, chocolate yorkies, as very un-common to get what is the chances of a pure bred yorkie producing one?
but yet in the last few years there are lots and lots of chocolate and blonde yorkies, I really think most of these colored yorkie's are from un-pure mixed lines. also do you know that if you keep breeding these colors back to a full yorkie eventually they will be pure breed.

The same thing is happening now with the merle color, I know it is happening in the poodles now and will soon be in the yorkies too, Breeders are breeding a merle to a poodle and keeping back a Merle puppy and then breeding it back to a full poodle again, you will soon see this in the yorkies too, merle yorkies.

If the AKC doesn't seem to care, maybe you should contact the YTCA (Yorkshire Terrier Club of America). I think (not 100% sure) that they maintain the Yorkshire Terrier breed standards for the US, and I believe that they have the AKC's ear on these types of issues. Maybe they can lobby the AKC on your behalf. Their website (under construction, but they still have the contact info up) is here: www.ytca.org

[Julia Howard]

Wrong, AKC does provide other numbers for goldens and partis, you just have to send the pictures in to verify the dogs and DNA of parents.

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I am not sure what you mean by you bought several coloured yorkies? Are these Yorkies other than the usual colour for a Yorkie.
And yes there are bad breeders that will breed other than purebred, use registration numbers from their registered purebred dogs that actually are not the true sire and/or dam and register the litter than way. Unfortunately the Canadian Kennel Club or the American Kennel Club will not know, put through the registration and pups get registered. The only way to find out if the sire is the sire and dam is on the dam as per the paperwork, is to question the validity of the paperwork and the registration bodies can ask the breeder for DNA tests that take a cheek swab from sire, cheek swab from dam compared to cheek swab from progeny. It should be a match if the paperwork is right for sire and dam, however, the mutts may be further back in the pedigree.
This is why if you are buying, know your breeder and it is false, there are not lots of breeders doing this except perhaps byb's might be. Most show breeders would not, reputable breeders definitely would not ever even dream of it.

[Julia Howard]

This is an old battle that has already been fought by the public as well as AKC. YTCA doesnt recognize goldens and partis but the AKC does after doing DNA on numerous litters. Also, if you test an AKC Reg. (Purebred?) very few if any done with Mars will test
100% pure yorkie. The reason is that yorkies were bred down from numerous breeds in Europe to obtain the type of dogs they wanted. I am sure you can pull up the old threads on this discussion previously (many conversations)

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by yorkiemom71

A lot of these un-pure lines have been bought to AKC attention, AKC has not pulled the papers on these dogs, Akc don't accept the mar's test, akc is letting breeders to continue breeding these un-pure lines.

Well when you think of it, blonde yorkies, chocolate yorkies, as very un-common to get what is the chances of a pure bred yorkie producing one?
but yet in the last few years there are lots and lots of chocolate and blonde yorkies, I really think most of these colored yorkie's are from un-pure mixed lines. also do you know that if you keep breeding these colors back to a full yorkie eventually they will be pure breed.

The same thing is happening now with the merle color, I know it is happening in the poodles now and will soon be in the yorkies too, Breeders are breeding a merle to a poodle and keeping back a Merle puppy and then breeding it back to a full poodle again, you will soon see this in the yorkies too, merle yorkies.

Can you tell us the scrupulous breeder

[yorkiemom71]

Originally Posted by Julia Howard

This is an old battle that has already been fought by the public as well as AKC. YTCA doesnt recognize goldens and partis but the AKC does after doing DNA on numerous litters. Also, if you test an AKC Reg. (Purebred?) very few if any done with Mars will test
100% pure yorkie. The reason is that yorkies were bred down from numerous breeds in Europe to obtain the type of dogs they wanted. I am sure you can pull up the old threads on this discussion previously (many conversations)

Most of these un-pure dogs just have dna information on the sire, mom is not dna, so these cheating breeders can say that a pure breed reg yorkie was the mom, when it was actually a chocolate colored mixed breed.

Why do mar's, pure breed test yorkies if it is impossible to tell? I think Mar's test are pretty accurate, I can see it being out a 1 or 2 percent but not 25% mix breed.

Mar's test have improved a lot since the other treads.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by yorkiemom71

Most of these un-pure dogs just have dna information on the sire, mom is not dna, so these cheating breeders can say that a pure breed reg yorkie was the mom, when it was actually a chocolate colored mixed breed.

Why do mar's, pure breed test yorkies if it is impossible to tell? I think Mar's test are pretty accurate, I can see it being out a 1 or 2 percent but not 25% mix breed.

Mar's test have improved a lot since the other treads.

I agree, MARS is pretty accurate and it's only getting better as they add more purebred dogs to their database. It's the best DNA testing for breed and purity out there. The only other testing that can be done is to see if a puppy is the offspring of particular parents, but if the parents are themselves not purebred, that's not very helpful. I have to say that if the AKC is registering mixed breed dogs as purebred due to lack of testing and due diligence in tracking down disreputable breeders who have been reported to them, I am disappointed (and somewhat depressed) about the whole situation.

[Julia Howard]

When AKC does an inspection they will DNA Mom, Dad, and puppies if there is a litter on site. Most breeders of partis or goldens that I know DNA (cheek swab) sires and dams.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Julia Howard

When AKC does an inspection they will DNA Mom, Dad, and puppies if there is a litter on site. Most breeders of partis or goldens that I know DNA (cheek swab) sires and dams.

That's good to know, but it only establishes that the puppies are the offspring of those parents. It doesn't say anything about whether they are purebred Yorkies. If the color genes were bred into a Yorkie line from another variety of dog several generations back before DNA testing was conducted, we may never know. If I was a veterinary researcher looking for a research project, I would take this on, because there are ways of finding out where these color genes are coming from (whether they arose spontaneously in Yorkies, or whether they were bred in from some other breed). Interesting discussion, but I'm still disillusioned with the AKC.

[Yorkiedaze]

Originally Posted by yorkiemom71

I bought several colored yorkies from a breeder and they were mar's tested and to be found they have mix breed in them. The breeder says that back in the lines there were some breeders that mixed in mix breed in the lines to get color, but its not her fault, she is not the only breeder that is breeding un-pure dogs, apparently there are a lot of breeders breeding un-pure lines and they know the lines are bad and they are still doing it. They say as long as it looks like a yorkie breed it anyway, even with the mix breed in it, they are selling these dogs for a lot of money and they are mixed breeds. Akc is doing nothing about this. Does anymore care about this, I bought registered colored yorkies to breed, I can not breed these dogs and sell their puppies as pure breed registered yorkie, like what so many other breeders are doing with these colored yorkies.

If you have papers on them showing they are Yorkies, and the test results that show they are a mix, then you have grounds to sue.

[luvlee]

AKC will investigate. I had a dispute many years ago (before DNA testing) and while I only received a letter back stating that my dog was a 'poor representation' of the breed and should not be bred, I did feel that my complaint was investigated to some degree. I'd report the breeder and open a claim.

Also, I have been searching for a Biewer for some time. This testing for 'purity' has long been an issue with the Biewer. If you look at yorkies on Puppyfind, you'll see so called breeders talking about mixing and matching all kinds of colors and stating that their dogs are "tinies" or "carriers" for something or another.

To me it's a very slippery slope. Some Yorkies are beginning to look (not just in color) very different from the standard IMHO. Ultimately, it may be the downfall for the Yorkshire Terrier as we know it unless people speak up & complain & demand answers.

YOU must know not only your breeder, but the history of the dogs he/she breeds. Today, every BYB can have a beautiful & professional website. That, frankly, tells you nothing. YOU must check references. YOU should educate yourself in the particular 'type' of yorkie you want. And if YOU dabble in these funky new-designed, colored parti's, yorkies, biewers, then you'd better do a whole lot of research before you commit to buying one. Love your breeder before loving the dog.

I don't mean to sound so harsh -that's not intended. I speak only from my personal experience.

I almost signed on the dotted line for a Biewer recently. A friend on this forum from whom I asked some advice caused me to pull back a little and ask many more questions. Now, I think I've found the right pup. But it took a good deal of time. I think I contacted almost every Biewer breeder I could find!!!

Good luck to you. Please notify the AKC. And always remember, your puppy is beautiful no matter what DNA shows!!!!!!!

Best wishes, Tracey

[yorkiemom71]

I got 6 yorkies from this breeder, 2 of the yorkies have mixed in them that I know, and they have been placed in pet homes.

The other 4 yorkies I got from this breeder, look like yorkies have the long hair, but they shed fur, because of the problem I had with 2 mixed yorkies I have already got from this breeder, and where the other yorkies are shedding so much, I think these are impure too, I will be mar's testing these dogs too. and if they come back with mix breed in them too, I will do what ever I need to do to get these lines pulled from AKC.

I also live in Canada and The Canadian Kennel Club is very strict, much more stricter then AKC, I will be contacting Canadian Kennel Club and hope they will work with me to do what ever I need to do, to stop breeders from breeding these impure lines and selling them for the biggest kind of money to innocent people who think they are buying a purebred yorkie.


Also you know what the breeder told me after I dna tested and had 75% yorkie and 25% mix breed, she said I can breed this dog to another yorkie and see what kind of pups she produces. She said the breeders that have these lines, if they have a dog that looks yorkie breed forward.

I am sorry NO WAY, I truly believe in pure breed dogs, I am not going to breed a mix and call it a full yorkie just because it is AKC Registered.

Breeders are spending all this money on Registered colored yorkies and then they find out that there is mix in them, Most people get the dog ship to them and don't live in the same state/country. It will cost so much money to get a lawyer to sue, so these breeders are all doing the same thing, (it you can't beat them, then join them)