I'm getting a dna test done. Then what??

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by pstinard

I can access the article on Monday and copy and paste sections here under "fair use" policy--that means that we will have to analyze, comment, and critique it .

Geesh, I have to wait till Monday to analyze and critique and comment? wth Stinard I had more faith in you than that...

I'm ready, I've downloaded my geneticist dictionary...I am so on top of this...lol

It really is so very interesting its funny how as soon as I log on I check this thread now! Stinard your turning us into genetical intellectuals! btw do you have a first name or do you prefer Pstinard which for some reason I always see "pees in the yard"...not making fun of your name...but I think its the whole YT and my mind registers pup things...I read too much into it but now I can't get past it...

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Well, I'll read those articles and they will likely give me as much information as I can understand without going into great depth. But I would so like to understand far more than I do about genetics in dogs. It's fascinating how they can vary so much compared to other species and how so many Yorkies favor and yet many others do not.

Jeanie, what is your background? If you don't mind me asking? Educationally and Professionally? You seem to pick this up quickly, I enjoy reading your posts as well.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I poked around and now it's saying I can rent it and I tried the 5 min. version which it denied saying no auth. from publisher instead of letting me read. Is there no way to read it but to pay for it?

I was able to get the free 5 minute view, and tried to copy it so I could save it, but they are very clever, and didn't make it easy. So I brought up each page one at a time and did a screen shot, and my 5 minutes ran out after I captured only 4 pages . But I got a good view of the article, and it's very nice, with color photos of dogs. I'll get a better look on Monday.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Geesh, I have to wait till Monday to analyze and critique and comment? wth Stinard I had more faith in you than that...

I'm ready, I've downloaded my geneticist dictionary...I am so on top of this...lol

It really is so very interesting its funny how as soon as I log on I check this thread now! Stinard your turning us into genetical intellectuals! btw do you have a first name or do you prefer Pstinard which for some reason I always see "pees in the yard"...not making fun of your name...but I think its the whole YT and my mind registers pup things...I read too much into it but now I can't get past it...

It's Father's Day weekend. Do you think I'm going to make a special trip to the University on Father's Day weekend?!?!??? Hold your Yorkies until Monday! BTW, I never thought about "pees in the yard" but it makes sense --I won't say anything more than that, LOL! The "P" stands for Phil, so you can call me Phil.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by pstinard

It's Father's Day weekend. Do you think I'm going to make a special trip to the University on Father's Day weekend?!?!??? Hold your Yorkies until Monday! BTW, I never thought about "pees in the yard" but it makes sense --I won't say anything more than that, LOL! The "P" stands for Phil, so you can call me Phil.

Oh thanks Phil, I'm tired of referring to you as the "pees in the yard" guy!
Happy Father's Day...I'll hold my Yorkies till then! I sure hope you can get in to it.

[pstinard]

I mentioned getting a screen capture of the first four pages of a review article on the genetic differences between different breeds of dogs. Below is a low resolution screen capture of page 2 of the article. It has a beautiful color graph that shows how different breeds of dogs are related to each other. It has a nice color section on terriers, and is so tantalizing, because I can't read the names of the dog breeds in the graph! It will have to wait until Monday .

[pstinard]

Okay, here's a link to a phylogenetic tree for different breeds of dogs. It looks fairly similar to the one in the article I just posted. The closer the breeds are on the different tree branches, the more closely the breeds are related.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...g-breeds-1.jpg

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by pstinard

I was able to get the free 5 minute view, and tried to copy it so I could save it, but they are very clever, and didn't make it easy. So I brought up each page one at a time and did a screen shot, and my 5 minutes ran out after I captured only 4 pages . But I got a good view of the article, and it's very nice, with color photos of dogs. I'll get a better look on Monday.

This sounds wonderful! I am a high school resource room teacher, and some of my students take Biology. I need to have an understanding of their subjects to be able to break the material down and help them to understand it, too. I have some understanding of Genetics and loved learning about it when i was younger, but i have learned so much on this thread. I thank you so much for your generous time and help with all of this. I find this all so fascinating, and when school winds down after Friday, I am going to read the links you have so graciously provided. I have been upset for a long time about the indiscriminate breeding of a breed I have loved since I was a child. All of the health issues terrify me, and until I found YorkieTalk, I rarely saw Yorkies who looked like the image of a Yorkie that I envision in my mind. I am positive I would love any dog of mine no matter if it resembled that image or not, but I so love the temperament and looks of this truly beautiful, special breed. I have a much greater understanding than I did four years ago when I joined YT of why maintaining a standard is so important and all that breeders who are breeding to better the breed are doing. I am so grateful to my breeder for her commitment to this breed, the pups she raises, and for entrusting me with our precious little girl. It is so very evident when you see Katie's temperament, structure, and vigor the devotion her breeder has for bringing these precious lives into the world. This is the true reason to breed and what distinguishes the true fanciers and ones devoted to the health and welfare of this breed from the BYBs and other people breeding for profit.

Thank you again for your commitment to YT and for helping to enlighten us on genetics. I hope you have a Happy Father's Day.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by lisaly

This sounds wonderful! I am a high school resource room teacher, and some of my students take Biology. I need to have an understanding of their subjects to be able to break the material down and help them to understand it, too. I have some understanding of Genetics and loved learning about it when i was younger, but i have learned so much on this thread. I thank you so much for your generous time and help with all of this. I find this all so fascinating, and when school winds down after Friday, I am going to read the links you have so graciously provided. I have been upset for a long time about the indiscriminate breeding of a breed I have loved since I was a child. All of the health issues terrify me, and until I found YorkieTalk, I rarely saw Yorkies who looked like the image of a Yorkie that I envision in my mind. I am positive I would love any dog of mine no matter if it resembled that image or not, but I so love the temperament and looks of this truly beautiful, special breed. I have a much greater understanding than I did four years ago when I joined YT of why maintaining a standard is so important and all that breeders who are breeding to better the breed are doing. I am so grateful to my breeder for her commitment to this breed, the pups she raises, and for entrusting me with our precious little girl. It is so very evident when you see Katie's temperament, structure, and vigor the devotion her breeder has for bringing these precious lives into the world. This is the true reason to breed and what distinguishes the true fanciers and ones devoted to the health and welfare of this breed from the BYBs and other people breeding for profit.

Thank you again for your commitment to YT and for helping to enlighten us on genetics. I hope you have a Happy Father's Day.

Thanks! I think you will be able to get a lot out of these articles. The science of canine genetics seems to be really taking off, and it is quite fascinating. BTW, the phylogenetic tree link I just posted is the same one as in the article that is behind the pay firewall, and it's interesting to see how the different breeds of dogs are related (and unrelated). The Yorkshire Terrier is closely related to other terriers, and even to Bulldogs, Boxers and Mastiffs, but is less related to other toy breeds like Chihuahuas, Pomeranians, and Pekingese.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Okay, here's a link to a phylogenetic tree for different breeds of dogs. It looks fairly similar to the one in the article I just posted. The closer the breeds are on the different tree branches, the more closely the breeds are related.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...g-breeds-1.jpg

This is interesting, Mastiffs??? I never would have thought.

[lynzy420]

safe to say Minnie is a throwback? If I'm not mistaken that thread top marker joins the Doberman as well at some point? Geesh I think you need to do a powerpoint for us!

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

safe to say Minnie is a throwback? If I'm not mistaken that thread top marker joins the Doberman as well at some point? Geesh I think you need to do a powerpoint for us!

I'm all for a power point!!

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

safe to say Minnie is a throwback? If I'm not mistaken that thread top marker joins the Doberman as well at some point? Geesh I think you need to do a powerpoint for us!

The Dobermans (in with working dogs) are more distantly related. By groups, from most closely related to the Yorkie, to least related:

(1) Small Terriers
(2) Mastiff-like dogs
(3) Retrievers
(4) Sight hounds and Herding dogs
(5) Working dogs
(6) Toys, Spaniels, Scent dogs
(7) Ibizan, Kuvasz
(8) Ancient and Spitz breeds
(9) Wolves and coyotes

My eyes are a little bleary from trying to follow the individual branches, but that looks pretty close to how they are related.

[pstinard]

Here is a free copy of the article "So many doggone traits: mapping genetics of multiple phenotypes in the domestic dog." I knew I could find it free somewhere if I looked hard enough...

http://www.genome.duke.edu/seminars/...Traits2012.pdf

[pstinard]

Another free article on the relationship and development of breeds of dogs:

Genome-wide SNP and haplotype analyses reveal a rich history underlying dog domestication - Europe PMC Article - Europe PubMed Central