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gemy 05-29-2013 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4226997)
I don't recall Minnie having any health problems other than demodex. Is this referring to something from another thread, or did I miss something?
You are correct I got three different threads mixed up in my mind. Thanks for the catch.

Although I do believe in the BATs test. I believe current protocol is 16 wks and repeat at 6mths. Not an expensive blood test.

Anny Mendoza 05-29-2013 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4227141)
Hmmm, could you explain what thread your referring to?:eek:
The thread were the OP got mad because her sister was having sex and the pup was in the room watching :D

Anny Mendoza 05-29-2013 03:33 AM
This one
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-my-puppy.html

pstinard 05-29-2013 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4227187)
You are correct I got three different threads mixed up in my mind. Thanks for the catch.

Although I do believe in the BATs test. I believe current protocol is 16 wks and repeat at 6mths. Not an expensive blood test.
Oh, I see! Do you recommend a BAT test even if a Yorkie is showing no symptoms, as a means of catching potential liver problems we don't see yet? (Note to self: I will not hijack this thread, I will not hijack this thread... ;)) Okay, I feel better now. So you're recommending that Minnie get a BAT test at 16 weeks and at 6 months?

gracielove 05-29-2013 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Teresiana (Post 4227160)
To the breeders following this thread...It's my understanding that if a puppy is mixed with another breed somewhere down the line (not necessarily just the mother and/or father), that there's a chance that the puppy could take on characteristics of the other breed. For example...if Minnie's grandfather is Min Pin, Minnie could have taken on traits from her grandfather. Because Minnie looks so far from the Yorkie standard, doesn't necessarily mean that her father is not a Yorkie. It might not be common, but maybe her grandfather just has really strong genes? Is that correct? Or am I totally off here? Sorry of it's a dumb question, but I'm just curious because the breeder says she bred 2 Yorkies. Minnie obviously does not look like the offspring of 2 pure bred Yorkies. Maybe Minnie got her traits from another relative? Hence, the bewilderment of the breeder. Obviously, there was no testing/pedigree research done. So the breeder was probably surprised by Minnie's physical characteristics. I'm curious what the brother, Mickey, looks like.
It would be very unlikely that the female would produce a pup that had the genes of an out cross from several generations back if the dogs had been producing standard Yorkies right along. Of course if there were an out cross to another breed it is highly unlikely that the offspring would produce standard looking Yorkies to begin with. The fact is if this breeder is an "experienced" Yorkie breeder then she knew that little Minnie was not a full Yorkie when she was still very young. Her color may be the same but the rest of her is far from Yorkie. The breeder had to see the differences and should never have sold her as a purebred Yorkie. Even if she really does not understand what happened (which I sincerely doubt) she should have told the new owner that there was a problem with the way the pup was developing and that there was a possibility that the pup would not look like a pure bred Yorkie. Maybe this is not the first time this has happened in her breeding program and has gotten away with treating people this way in the past. A breeder can write whatever they want on a "family tree" unlike an AKC official pedigree.

dawn27 05-29-2013 05:52 AM
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-my-puppy.html

I remember that thread. The OP was flipping our because her sister was having sex with her "baby" in the same room !! :eek:

MyDearSam 05-29-2013 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Anny Mendoza (Post 4227194)
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Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 4227253)
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-my-puppy.html

I remember that thread. The OP was flipping our because her sister was having sex with her "baby" in the same room !! :eek:
That's the one! Thanks for the link, Anny and Dawn. I couldn't remember the title of the thread.

gemy 05-29-2013 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4227217)
Oh, I see! Do you recommend a BAT test even if a Yorkie is showing no symptoms, as a means of catching potential liver problems we don't see yet? (Note to self: I will not hijack this thread, I will not hijack this thread... ;)) Okay, I feel better now. So you're recommending that Minnie get a BAT test at 16 weeks and at 6 months?

Correct and the test should be spaced well apart from any vaccinations as well. At least 2wks maybe 4wks. And with females not near heats as well.

Yes often times mild MVD is symptom free when they are young, but symptoms might begin at 5yrs old or more, or if another disease process rears its' head and or as a result of accident or injury.

Each testing laboratory might have a slightly different normal range.

It is a prebreeding test that is recommended by the YTCA to be done prior to breeding.... How-ever should be done on puppies as well.

gemy 05-29-2013 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 4227234)
A breeder can write whatever they want on a "family tree" unlike an AKC official pedigree.
Not to mention simple human error. Was it the great Holmes that said'
the simplest explanation is usually the correct one?

For me the simplest explanation is that the mother got mated by another breed -

Which is another very good reason to only breed one breed of dog:)

Not to mention keeping up with one breed and all their concerns I find immense enough, two is about all I personally could go.

And even the AKC can get hoodwinked, and I won't go into some ways of how I've heard this is done. We have had more than one thread asking right out how to doctor the paperwork:D:D Some things just shouldn't be posted on line;)

Teresiana 05-29-2013 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 4227234)
It would be very unlikely that the female would produce a pup that had the genes of an out cross from several generations back if the dogs had been producing standard Yorkies right along. Of course if there were an out cross to another breed it is highly unlikely that the offspring would produce standard looking Yorkies to begin with. The fact is if this breeder is an "experienced" Yorkie breeder then she knew that little Minnie was not a full Yorkie when she was still very young. Her color may be the same but the rest of her is far from Yorkie. The breeder had to see the differences and should never have sold her as a purebred Yorkie. Even if she really does not understand what happened (which I sincerely doubt) she should have told the new owner that there was a problem with the way the pup was developing and that there was a possibility that the pup would not look like a pure bred Yorkie. Maybe this is not the first time this has happened in her breeding program and has gotten away with treating people this way in the past. A breeder can write whatever they want on a "family tree" unlike an AKC official pedigree.
Thank you for clearing that up. I just wasn't sure if some type of physical appearance trait could pop out of nowhere. I guess not. I honestly don't think that this breeder is "experienced". Considering her blog & all of her previous posts, I tend to believe that she's so inexperienced that she just doesn't know any better.

To the OP, YorkieMommy1984, unfortunately, the "family tree" that you have really means nothing. Anyone can create a family tree in Microsoft Word. Gracielove is correct...the AKC issues certified pedigrees to their registered dogs. In the dog world, this is the only "family tree" that matters. Cristina's dogs are registered with the ACA. Although that may sound nice & official, it's not a reputable registry.

I suppose the only reasonable explanations would be 1). Minnie's mother tied with another dog of a different breed, or 2). the breeder is lying about Minnie's parents. I honestly can't think of any other reason Minnie's physical traits would veer so far from the Yorkie standard. Could there be another reason? If both of Minnie's parents look like Yorkies, then shouldn't Minnie look somewhat like a Yorkie?

navillusc 05-29-2013 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Teresiana (Post 4227362)
...To the OP, YorkieMommy1984, unfortunately, the "family tree" that you have really means nothing. Anyone can create a family tree in Microsoft Word. ...

:thumbup::thumbup: True. I have seen a 7-year pedigree given to a purchaser by the breeder...that was NOT for the dog placed with that purchaser. It was a 'mistake'...a 'mis-print' on the part of the breeder, who was highly respected and reputable, but the birth dates were 10 months apart, the AKC Registration numbers were different, and while it was for a dog of same/similar lines, and a very nice pedigree at that, it was basically useless to the purchaser since it was for a completely different dog.

Oddsock 05-29-2013 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984 (Post 4224891)
So yesterday when I saw the breeder somehow found me on here after 5 months lol. Supposivly looking to see how Minnie was doing. I had blocked her because I don't want to deal with the drama until this the results are in. I just saw today she posted a message this is what I got. What did I hobestly do?? I'm very confused. What are thoughts about this message?? Should I worry ??

Below Is the message from her....


Jen you can tell everyone what ever u want really its okay but you better have you stuff backed up cause if your results come back positive that she is a purebreed yorkie, its my turn to take action and all the negative stuff i have saved about how fake i am how i lie how i created a paper i will not let go!!!!!! And i have fake feelings really i cried more than you!!!! And harrassing me on here is against the law so keep going i have all the harrasments and mean things u have said to innocent people that dont even know me how rude of you why not come to me with this matter!!!!!!

You asked a genuine question..ie what we thought of your pup. You have a right to ask. To seek other peoples opinions.

The breeder to threaten to take away the pup if it's pure breed, shows her true colours. Why would she say 'if', as she is so sure it's 100% yorkie, she's threatening action. Why take it away, when she knows it's what you want and PAID for. ...because she's in my opinion, from what we see written by her is being cruel to you for daring to not just listen to her and shut up. How dare you ask other who may have a valid opinion.

Don't let her pull you down. You have a right to ask why your dog doesn't look like a typical Yorkie. You have the right to ask others what they think. You have the right to get YOUR dog tested.
If it isn't all Yorkie, then take her to court, - money for the DNA tests, money for lying to you and stress, money for the yorkie you should have. She's quick to come on here and post her messages to you and members, which I found insulting personally. I hope she stays and either way.

Nancy1999 05-29-2013 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Oddsock (Post 4227408)
My feeling when the breeder left a message in mine and some other memebers boxes (I'm guess to anyone who'd posted in the thread) was one of anger. After see what she's written to you. I think you're dealing with a 3rd rate bi^ch. She appears to threaten and harass, in my opinion. You asked a genuine question..ie what we thought of your pup. You have a right to ask. To seek other peoples opinions.

The breeder to threaten to take away the pup if it's pure breed, shows her true colours. Why would she say 'if', as she is so sure it's 100% yorkie, she's threatening action. Why take it away, when she knows it's what you want and PAID for. ...because she's in my opinion, from what we see written by her is being cruel to you for daring to not just listen to her and shut up. How dare you ask other who may have a valid opinion.

Don't let her pull you down. You have a right to ask why your dog doesn't look like a typical Yorkie. You have the right to ask others what they think. You have the right to get YOUR dog tested.
If it isn't all Yorkie, then take her to court, - money for the DNA tests, money for lying to you and stress, money for the yorkie you should have. She's quick to come on here and post her messages to you and members, which I found insulting personally. I hope she stays and either way.
You usually can't get these sorts of things in small claims court, but she can get the difference between what a ACA purebred dog would cost and the cost of a mixed breed, plus the amount for the dna tests. Since this dog was registered with the ACA not the AKC you have to calculate based upon those costs.

To the OP, did you mind telling us what you paid for your pup?

dawn27 05-29-2013 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4226879)
The blog was written in March of this year, it was written before the OP posted this thread.
Im still waiting to see those pics of the parents to this pup the baboon said that she would post.

Teegy 05-29-2013 01:01 PM
I thought she said earlier that she has pure bred dogs and Jennifer was a liar now she says its a shorkie. What the Hellmanns is a shorkie and a yorkchon and no respectable agency would register mixed breed dogs

I'm so confused now

Anny Mendoza 05-29-2013 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 4227675)
I thought she said earlier that she has pure bred dogs and Jennifer was a liar now she says its a shorkie. What the Hellmanns is a shorkie and a yorkchon and no respectable agency would register mixed breed dogs

I'm so confused now
I feel the same way...

Verbena 05-29-2013 01:06 PM
Well you can look back at any one of the new puppy threads and see what a 13 week Yorkie puppy looks like. Except for the coloring they looks basically the same when it comes to the hair. They are fluffy. And for the breeder to say that the hair will grow in. If I am not mistaken if you are a reputable breeder you know exactly what a 13 week old yorkie looks like.

Here is a link to some of the groups dogs in their younger days

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/my-...-then-now.html

Verbena 05-29-2013 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 4227675)
I thought she said earlier that she has pure bred dogs and Jennifer was a liar now she says its a shorkie. What the Hellmanns is a shorkie and a yorkchon and no respectable agency would register mixed breed dogs

I'm so confused now
Shih Tzu and Yorkie is a Shorkie

Yorkie and Bichon Frise is a Yorkchon

Actually if they are AKC and AKC you can register them as a mixed breed

Yorkiemommy1984 05-29-2013 01:31 PM
Did she say minnie is a mix?? I blocked her so I don't have to deal with the drama until after I hear the results. So I dunno what she actually saying at all. Is there anything I don't know already lol

Anny Mendoza 05-29-2013 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Verbena (Post 4227681)
Shih Tzu and Yorkie is a Shorkie

Yorkie and Bichon Frise is a Yorkchon

Actually if they are AKC and AKC you can register them as a mixed breed
What I find confusing is that, first she said she only has purebred dogs, and then she says she has a shorkie..
She doesn't seem reliable..

pstinard 05-29-2013 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984 (Post 4227704)
Did she say minnie is a mix?? I blocked her so I don't have to deal with the drama until after I hear the results. So I dunno what she actually saying at all. Is there anything I don't know already lol
No, Cristina has admitted nothing about Minnie being mixed. Apparently at one time she said that she only had purebred Yorkies in her house, and then later she said that she also has a shorkie and a yorkchon, but she swears that the purebred Yorkies are Minnie's parents.

bjh 05-29-2013 02:37 PM
What she said was that she only had one yorkie male in her house. The mixed dog is a female.

lillymae 05-29-2013 06:58 PM
I definitely do not think that Minnie is a Shorkie as her hair is much too short. AND Jen didn't you pay for Minnie ? She is YOURS & that woman can NOT come & take your dog away from you so IF she has threatened to do so then you NEED to call the Police as steeling is against the law, end of story as far as that is concerned.

McheleM 05-29-2013 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Verbena (Post 4227681)
Shih Tzu and Yorkie is a Shorkie

Yorkie and Bichon Frise is a Yorkchon

Actually if they are AKC and AKC you can register them as a mixed breed
No you can't.... Akc doesn't allow cross bred dogs to maintain their akc registration. They have a canine partners program that allows mixed breed dogs to compete in agility competitions and obedience trials, but it does not register them with AKC papers. AKC is all about maintaining PUREBRED lines.

AKC does not recognize such breeds such as yorkiepoos, shorkies, yorkchon, etc.

Nancy1999 05-29-2013 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 4228093)
No you can't.... Akc doesn't allow cross bred dogs to maintain their akc registration. They have a canine partners program that allows mixed breed dogs to compete in agility competitions and obedience trials, but it does not register them with AKC papers. AKC is all about maintaining PUREBRED lines.

AKC does not recognize such breeds such as yorkiepoos, shorkies, yorkchon, etc.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
You are correct!

Yorkiemommy1984 05-30-2013 03:05 AM
If I had to guess at this point what she was I'd say Minnie prob was is a chorkie. I guess well have to wait and see. I can only imagine the panic right now with the breeder and what she thinks going to happen when the results come in and she gets a phone call from me lol

EvaNoel 05-30-2013 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984 (Post 4228187)
If I had to guess at this point what she was I'd say Minnie prob was is a chorkie. I guess well have to wait and see. I can only imagine the panic right now with the breeder and what she thinks going to happen when the results come in and she gets a phone call from me lol
I agree! I saw a Chorkie puppy yesterday and it looked identical to Minnie. I almost posted a photo here to show you, but with all the controversy going on, I didn't want to add to it.

gracielove 05-30-2013 05:45 AM
She threatened to take your puppy away? You have got to be kidding! She can't do that and to make such a threat is horrible if not illegal. She can't know a thing about genetics if she honestly is trying to pass this pup off as purebred. If Minne was a purebred than she would be a mutation that should end that woman's breeding program!

baboon28 05-30-2013 07:38 AM
Jen really if Minnie's is mixed with anything I will not argue about nothing I will pay u back what u want I just want the drama to end untill the results come back, I contacted my breeder and he knows he will be hearing from me. Just please everyone stop with the rude comments

Teegy 05-30-2013 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 4228093)
No you can't.... Akc doesn't allow cross bred dogs to maintain their akc registration. They have a canine partners program that allows mixed breed dogs to compete in agility competitions and obedience trials, but it does not register them with AKC papers. AKC is all about maintaining PUREBRED lines.

AKC does not recognize such breeds such as yorkiepoos, shorkies, yorkchon, etc.
Didn't think so


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