:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Thanks, Lynzy, for saying what we're all thinking.

If Minnie is said to be a purebred yorkie sold to me by Cristina the more I think about this after seeing some of these great helpful responses. How come minnie doesn't look like her mom and dad?? Her supposed mom and dad are yorkies. Or at least look like them lol . So even a mixed breed would have to come from a different mom or dad to look as different as minnie does. One of the questions I asked her about right before I got the blood work done was when did her pups fluff come in. I know there's lots of different yorkies and was once again thinking positive and giving the benefit of the doubt. I got no response and I tried two different numbers. So what wasnt she telling me or trying to hide personally?? I could be completly wrong. All of this is not adding up the more I sit and think about it. Am I thinking to much here or what?? Lol

No, you're not thinking too much. I'd be wondering what happened, too. My best guess is that either the father is not who the breeder thinks he is (the mother accidentally mated with a male of a different breed), or the breeder is being dishonest and neither of the reported parents are the real parents. You won't have any firm answers until the test results come back. Please stay strong, don't have any contact with the breeder until the DNA results are back, and keep us posted, both on the DNA test results, and how Minnie is doing and looking.

I still find it very hard after all this time she's just on here now. Also if she was truley correct id think shed b calling me about this all. Also when reading one of her posts I noticed she put "if" it comes back purebred. Y would u say it like that if you know 100%.. Just sayin lol. And where are pictures of her "yorkies"" meaning mom n dad. I'd b trying to back my self up and prove to everyone that what there thinking isnt true but that's just me over thinking I guess lol

Yup, and isn't it amazing how you ended up with a wonderful pup and are, as evident by all of your posts, getting to become an educated expert??!!! Soon you will be advocating for Yorkies and sharing your knowledge! Regardless of this bad experience, a couple good things have resulted...I am glad for you that you didn't have one of those real nightmare stories that we so many times here!

I'm so glad you found this place and are a part of our community!

Your breeder has obviously read all the posts here; and mayhap other reading and looking at pictures of Yorkies.

She is doubting the authenticity of this pup; as evidenced by the "if" statement. How-ever why she didn't wonder as she watched this pup mature is beyond me. Of course given she didn't even know the gestation timeframe for dogs, tells me she is not too knowledgeable.

Here is what happens with reputable breeders; a bitch gets pregnant, it was unplanned by you, and you can't know for sure "who" the sire is. If you have not already DNA'd all males and females that you own, you will need to, and all the puppies of the litter. And by the way you hope like hell one of your purebred males actually did sire the litter. If not you have a mixed breed litter on your hands. And you sell/place them as such.

The above is scenario one. Scenario 2 is you saw a tie between your two "purebred" Yorkies; great. Then as you watch the pups mature you notice something is 'off" with one or even two of the litter. You would seek the counsel of a more experienced Yorkie breeder to examine the litter. Then same as scenario no 1 before, and let me say this again BEFORE you put those pups up for sale, you DNA parents and litter.

Sit back wait for the DNA results. Then do what you should do, let the breeder know. But the important thing is you do have a lovely puppy to love and care for the rest of her life. Take that precious life that gift that all dogs give of unabiding love, and love her and keep her healthy happy and safe!

I am having my parents DNA tested and I did see the tie between my two yorkies for your information!!! Jen please call me so we can handle this the right way!!! I got a new cell phone don't have ur number!!

Did you do this before you starting breeding them? If not why?

Okay just spoke to my breeder and he sent me pics over of my yorkies mom and dad I will post them up on here so everyone can see them!!!

No didn't think I needed to DNA test them they had papers!!!

But look I'm done with this stupid s**t okay I am doing what I need to do for my sake I pai for a purebred and I'm making sure I got a purebred also do I don't want to hear from anyone but Jennifer when she calls me trust me if I had her number she would of been called along time ago.

I am very reluctant to post this but I am going because for some reason I think you also see that Minnie appears to be a mixed breed. I post the following with respect to you, but my opinion;

DNA on your Sire and Dame are probably a really good idea along with all the tests that should be done on a breeding pair (a breeder from Yorkie Talk may have already stated those tests). I am not sure I would be 100% comfortable with just pictures from your breeder, the tests are also needed.

From what I have observed from my years on Yorkie Talk breeding takes a lot of knowledge of the breed (along with love for the breed), an experienced mentor, a GREAT relationship with a Vet and most importantly a lot of time with your breeding pair and potential puppy owners.

Hopefully if you decide to have another litter of babies you have at least some of these covered. From reading this thread you are very lucky that Minnie has a good home who loves her.

Good luck and perhaps asking your breeder some additional questions will help you and Minnie's family resolved this.

Disclaimer: I am not a breeder, never have been and know I am do not have the knowledge to even consider breeding. My dog is a pet.

What will pictures of your Yorkie's mom and dad prove? Is there a reason why you can't post pictures of the dam and sire (YOUR dogs) that produced this pup?

Excuses !!!

Shame on any GReeder, I mean breeder who uses ACA and claims its reputable.

Unknowingly???? How do you unknowingly breed your yorkie to another breed and then accidentally fill out papers saying they're full blood yorkies?

Not possible.

I know my breeder had my phone number address and email. It was on the contract. I also know exactly where the parents are from. I have his pedigree.

Maybe there was no contract. Probably no health guarantee, and definitely no testing for the obvious things like luxating patella, etc.

This woman didn't even know if her dog could be pregnant after 2 ties (its possible with just one) and doesn't know if her dogs are purebred, yet chose to allow them to breed anyway. I doubt all her "paperwork" is in place, because she was merely in this for the $$$$$.

Agreed. I think that Cristina (Minnie's breeder) would find a more sympathetic ear if she started a new thread devoted to helping her find out if she was ripped off by the people who provided her with breeding stock. It's becoming clear that she is not going to post the photos of Minnie's parents in this thread (not that that would clear up anything, anyways, since there is no proof that those were the parents). I'm glad that Cristina is getting Minnie's reported parents DNA tested, but that's not going to prove anything as far as Minnie is concerned.

Just because the breeder has DNA testing done, doesn't prove she didn't know her dogs were mixed breeds (if that's how it comes out). She could have knowingly purchased mixed breed dogs with falsified papers with the intent of breeding them and further duping unsuspecting buyers. Of course, now that she's caught, shes going to cry foul to try and make herself look better.

It's obvious no research was done, as she purchased dogs that were registered ACA, she bred them, not knowing what she was doing, and then sold the pups at an early age with a bogus registry. Even if whoever sold her the dogs was not honest with her, the responsibility still lies with her. She chose to breed those dogs, without knowledge and research. She just accepted someone's word and didn't verify facts. She is just as guilty as her supposed breeder.

With a little creative googling, and use of google's "cache" feature, you can find some interesting ebay ads for unborn Yorkshire Terrier puppies in Harrisburg, PA. The ads were subsequently taken down, but you can view them using google's "cache." I'm just throwing that out there for our resident detectives... ;)

In a nutshell....this:thumbup:

So you don't keep information on the people who have adopted your pups in some kind of file?

Please say a round here a learn how to be a good breeder.

Once again I'm doing alot of thinking about all this. Does anyone know with demodex the loopholes with breeding. I know it's from the mom and they say ur not supposed to breed them if a dog has it. So I am wondering if its just a suggestion not to do it or if its more legal. Cuz since Minnie has it how come I wasn't informed from the breeder? Is that normal?? And another subject regarding her looks. The breeder can question her dogs but it doesn't matter Minnie looks nothing like them so what's being covered up under the rug right?? I questioned her when Minnie was 13 weeks old and sent her pics and she kept telling me Minnie will get her fluff come on. Unless you knew ur dog had the same thing with being a late bloomer she knew then Minnie looked nothing like her dogs and made me feel extremely guilty for even questioning it. Also Minnie has a brother and I asked her several times during the 8 weeks and even after that to see if I can get some kind of contact info cuz I would have loved to keep on touch with him. Abd she kept changing the subject then the last time I asked her she said they were an older couple and didnt know if they would b comfortable with that. So y couldn't she ask them and y never get back to me if she did . Sounds a lil fishy to me. No matter what the truth is with her regarding all this I'm thankful Minnie's part of our family where she is loved and always will be for eternity. My husband who doesn't even like lil dogs fell in love with her on the way home. Minnie's love is contagious. Everyone she comes in contact with falls on love w her. she's so special and amazing. A true blessing to all of us. Thanks again everyone for all of ur support thru all this. U all have no idea what it really means to me :)

Hi, here's a good article on demodex: Demodectic Mange in Dogs | petMD

What I get from the article is that all dogs have a few demodex mites on them, but have natural immunity. The problems comes when a dog is not immune to the mites, and it is the lack of immunity that can be passed on to the puppies. So it sounds like Minnie may have inherited the genetic defect that takes away resistance to the mite infection. The article says that you are not supposed to breed dogs that aren't resistant to the mites, but I don't think there is a legal obligation not to do so. However, that might be covered by a health guarantee that includes genetic defects...

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: And for that reason it is her responsibility to make reparation vs a vs Minnie

It could be just a late developing immune system, not necessarily a genetically "impaired" immune system. There is nothing legally wrong about breeding a dog affected with demodex. The breeding female could have the disease and may or may not pass it on to the babies...if the puppies have a strong immune system, they will not be affected with the mite. There may only be one pup in a litter that is affected, and when it matures and the immune system matures, there will be no problem. So she will need to approach this issue with Minnie from an entirely different angle...forget the demodex...it is too random. I have a cousin that b ought a Chi from a pet store, she bought her to breed. The female had demodex that broke out when the female became pregnant...it never showed up in any of her puppies and she continued to breed that female for the next 6 years...the babies were healthy and beautiful babies, they had no issues with the demodex....not something I encouraged her to do, but she doesnt listen to anyone, least of all, me!

Look my dogs do not have demodex so get ur story straight please, my breeder is involved with this now so from here on out keep me out of this convo untill the results come back!!! If Jennifer wants to call me and speak to me she has my number and info. I'm patiently waiting to hear the results!!!!! LEAVE ME BE!!!!!!!