Considering buying this puppy, good or bad idea?

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am not a "top of the line show breeder".... (my "breeding stock" are all top of the line show dogs, or first/second generation offspring of,)...... but I AM a responsible, ethical breeder, and you can bet your first born child, I DO care about my babies and where they go after the sale....and it is in my contract the baby MUST be returned to me if buyer can no longer keep the pup. Buyers are STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to stay in contact with me at LEAST once a year with a picture and health summary of the pup's past year.....that is how I track the success of my breeding program. With the exception of a couple of buyers, I am always getting pics and stories about the babies and what is going on....

That's great and I take if from your posts and your involvement here that you are not most breeders. But you my friend are an exception and I would assume most breeders that spend a lot of time on yorkie talk are as well. But the fact is the majority of breeders of yorkies are not on this site and while many do care about their babies and take good care of them while they have them, they do not do that much after they leave. I do have a question for you though you say that your contract states that a buyer must return a pup they can not keep, is there an age limit on that and do you offer either a partial or a full refund.

[DBlain]

even show breeders don't always want to stay in touch, I bought my last yorkie from a gal in Evert MI that was heavy into showing. The dog I got from her was odd, could not put my finger on it, called her to discuss and got the typical cold shoulder type of feeling from the conversation, "oh really I never saw that", "oh no he was nothing like that", anything I said she rebuffed making me feel like I was the problem. I called twice and hung up both times feeling upset, I knew in my gut that something was off with that dog personality wise, but I had trimmed his face hair and I was to lazy to make the 8 hour round trip drive to her home so I kept the dog thinking things would change, but they never did, I never really bonded with that dog, yet I shelled out $1,800 bucks to buy him, he was probably health tested. Most of us post from our experiences, well mine have not been that great with high end breeders, so if you ever wonder why I wound up buying a mix for $450.00 that's your reason.

[lilyorkiemilo]

Originally Posted by DBlain

even show breeders don't always want to stay in touch, I bought my last yorkie from a gal in Evert MI that was heavy into showing. The dog I got from her was odd, could not put my finger on it, called her to discuss and got the typical cold shoulder type of feeling from the conversation, "oh really I never saw that", "oh no he was nothing like that", anything I said she rebuffed making me feel like I was the problem. I called twice and hung up both times feeling upset, I knew in my gut that something was off with that dog personality wise, but I had trimmed his face hair and I was to lazy to make the 8 hour round trip drive to her home so I kept the dog thinking things would change, but they never did, I never really bonded with that dog, yet I shelled out $1,800 bucks to buy him, he was probably health tested. Most of us post from our experiences, well mine have not been that great with high end breeders, so if you ever wonder why I wound up buying a mix for $450.00 that's your reason.

I just wanted to say that pups can be unhealthy even if they come "show breeders". My neighbor paid $1600 for her yorkie from a show breeder with many champions in their lines and the parents were health tested and the breeder had a website of good comments from her puppy parents and her pup ended up with so many health problems that after spend thousands of dollars she had to surrender the puppy to the vet because she could no longer afford treatment and the problem wasnt covered under the health guarantee. I bought my yorkie at the time from a local breeder with ckc registration for $400 and he was healthy as could be with a beautiful coat, a awesome bite, and never had any health problems from day one. He was stolen from me a couple of years ago. My point is that you never know what you will get and more money doesnt mean you will get a healthier puppy. Its just the same with humans you can be of picture perfect health and have a child with a disability or health issue while your neighbor who isnt of the best health has a child thats perfectly healthly so you just never know. Being health tested is a good thing for the piece of mind that your puppy should be healthy but there is never gonna be a 100% guarantee.

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by lilyorkiemilo

I just wanted to say that pups can be unhealthy even if they come "show breeders". My neighbor paid $1600 for her yorkie from a show breeder with many champions in their lines and the parents were health tested and the breeder had a website of good comments from her puppy parents and her pup ended up with so many health problems that after spend thousands of dollars she had to surrender the puppy to the vet because she could no longer afford treatment and the problem wasnt covered under the health guarantee. I bought my yorkie at the time from a local breeder with ckc registration for $400 and he was healthy as could be with a beautiful coat, a awesome bite, and never had any health problems from day one. He was stolen from me a couple of years ago. My point is that you never know what you will get and more money doesnt mean you will get a healthier puppy. Its just the same with humans you can be of picture perfect health and have a child with a disability or health issue while your neighbor who isnt of the best health has a child thats perfectly healthly so you just never know. Being health tested is a good thing for the piece of mind that your puppy should be healthy but there is never gonna be a 100% guarantee.

yep totally agree and that's exactly why I choose a different path this time, good luck with what ever you decide.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by lilyorkiemilo

I just wanted to say that pups can be unhealthy even if they come "show breeders". My neighbor paid $1600 for her yorkie from a show breeder with many champions in their lines and the parents were health tested and the breeder had a website of good comments from her puppy parents and her pup ended up with so many health problems that after spend thousands of dollars she had to surrender the puppy to the vet because she could no longer afford treatment and the problem wasnt covered under the health guarantee. I bought my yorkie at the time from a local breeder with ckc registration for $400 and he was healthy as could be with a beautiful coat, a awesome bite, and never had any health problems from day one. He was stolen from me a couple of years ago. My point is that you never know what you will get and more money doesnt mean you will get a healthier puppy. Its just the same with humans you can be of picture perfect health and have a child with a disability or health issue while your neighbor who isnt of the best health has a child thats perfectly healthly so you just never know. Being health tested is a good thing for the piece of mind that your puppy should be healthy but there is never gonna be a 100% guarantee.

I just wanted to point out that a breeder that states their pups have "champions in their lines" aren't really lying, but it's not really saying anything. You go far back enough in ALL our yorkies, you will find a champion or two, at least. All yorkies can be traced back to Huddersfield Ben. He was the "grandfather" of yorkies and most def a Champion.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by DBlain

That's great and I take if from your posts and your involvement here that you are not most breeders. But you my friend are an exception and I would assume most breeders that spend a lot of time on yorkie talk are as well. But the fact is the majority of breeders of yorkies are not on this site and while many do care about their babies and take good care of them while they have them, they do not do that much after they leave. I do have a question for you though you say that your contract states that a buyer must return a pup they can not keep, is there an age limit on that and do you offer either a partial or a full refund.

Not true! The majority of breeders here don't post, don't contribute to the community, and are here just to sell pups by PMs and to advertise. We don't know their screen names, we don't know their real names. They PM people when they post saying they are new and looking for a pup. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about, unfortunately.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by DBlain

That's great and I take if from your posts and your involvement here that you are not most breeders. But you my friend are an exception and I would assume most breeders that spend a lot of time on yorkie talk are as well. But the fact is the majority of breeders of yorkies are not on this site and while many do care about their babies and take good care of them while they have them, they do not do that much after they leave. I do have a question for you though you say that your contract states that a buyer must return a pup they can not keep, is there an age limit on that and do you offer either a partial or a full refund.

There is no age limit on the return...that is for the life of the baby. Refunds are determined by why the pup was returned....if someone decides after a year they really like ferrets better than Yorkies, no refund. On the other hand, if the buyer determines up to a month, they just dont want the pup, they will get a partial refund....if there is something genetically wrong with the pup, full refund whenever the pup is returned. All my buyers get a copy of the contract when they pass the application interview, in the puppy pak....I tell them to look over and study and write down any quesations or concerns they have with ANYTHING in that pak....nothing is sprung on them when they are all excited about getting their new baby and are not thinkig clearly! They have at least a month to review the contract...if they are uncomfortable with anything in the contract, we will discuss it and if they still dont like it, they are free to walk away from the deal. NEVER had that happen! No breeder can be expected to fork over a full refund on a pup that is returned when the pup is a couple of years old, simply because the owners want to start traveling and dont have time for the baby. I go over this with the new owners when we sit and spend 2+ hours, going over every single aspect of the contract, and every single page of information in the puppy pak. My owners are very carefully screened, and to date, all my buyers with the exception of two, are part of the "extended Rosehill Family", and they are very clear and understand every aspect of the contract. I do work with my people, and if they have Aunt Millie that adores little Spice, and she really wants the baby....I interview Aunt Millie and if she passes the interview application, then she can have Spice. My concern is NOT to remove the baby from everything he is familiar with over the last several years....my concern is that no Rosehill baby EVER ends up in a rescue, a pound, or the streets. They all leave here microchipped and registered with Avid at my expense, and if that baby is ever lost and then found, say at a pound, I am contacted as the additional contact...I want to know what is happening with my babies, and I want to be sure if the family can not be reached, I will be there to get my baby until the family can be notified. It is ALL about the baby, for the life of that baby.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

There is no age limit on the return...that is for the life of the baby. Refunds are determined by why the pup was returned....if someone decides after a year they really like ferrets better than Yorkies, no refund. On the other hand, if the buyer determines up to a month, they just dont want the pup, they will get a partial refund....if there is something genetically wrong with the pup, full refund whenever the pup is returned. All my buyers get a copy of the contract when they pass the application interview, in the puppy pak....I tell them to look over and study and write down any quesations or concerns they have with ANYTHING in that pak....nothing is sprung on them when they are all excited about getting their new baby and are not thinkig clearly! They have at least a month to review the contract...if they are uncomfortable with anything in the contract, we will discuss it and if they still dont like it, they are free to walk away from the deal. NEVER had that happen! No breeder can be expected to fork over a full refund on a pup that is returned when the pup is a couple of years old, simply because the owners want to start traveling and dont have time for the baby. I go over this with the new owners when we sit and spend 2+ hours, going over every single aspect of the contract, and every single page of information in the puppy pak. My owners are very carefully screened, and to date, all my buyers with the exception of two, are part of the "extended Rosehill Family", and they are very clear and understand every aspect of the contract. I do work with my people, and if they have Aunt Millie that adores little Spice, and she really wants the baby....I interview Aunt Millie and if she passes the interview application, then she can have Spice. My concern is NOT to remove the baby from everything he is familiar with over the last several years....my concern is that no Rosehill baby EVER ends up in a rescue, a pound, or the streets. They all leave here microchipped and registered with Avid at my expense, and if that baby is ever lost and then found, say at a pound, I am contacted as the additional contact...I want to know what is happening with my babies, and I want to be sure if the family can not be reached, I will be there to get my baby until the family can be notified. It is ALL about the baby, for the life of that baby.

A good, reputable breeder would carefully screen potential buyers in the first place, and usually not ever place a pup with a family that isn't a perfect fit; so usually not needing to take the pup back in case something happens. Not every family and personality is a fit for a yorkie; just as not all families and personalities are fit for a great dane. It's up to a responsible breeder to decide if they will sell to a family; not just selling for profit's sake.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

A good, reputable breeder would carefully screen potential buyers in the first place, and usually not ever place a pup with a family that isn't a perfect fit; so usually not needing to take the pup back in case something happens. Not every family and personality is a fit for a yorkie; just as not all families and personalities are fit for a great dane. It's up to a responsible breeder to decide if they will sell to a family; not just selling for profit's sake.

And there have been several instances where I have not continued with the sell. All my buyers and myself have established a solid relationship....and we both want what is best for the baby, and we work closely together to achieve this. We really are like a big extended family.....I can honestly say I love all my buyers, respect and honor them BEFORE we proceed with the relationship/sell.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Not true! The majority of breeders here don't post, don't contribute to the community, and are here just to sell pups by PMs and to advertise. We don't know their screen names, we don't know their real names. They PM people when they post saying they are new and looking for a pup. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about, unfortunately.

There are also some bad breeders who participate to....

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by lilyorkiemilo

I just wanted to say that pups can be unhealthy even if they come "show breeders". My neighbor paid $1600 for her yorkie from a show breeder with many champions in their lines and the parents were health tested and the breeder had a website of good comments from her puppy parents and her pup ended up with so many health problems that after spend thousands of dollars she had to surrender the puppy to the vet because she could no longer afford treatment and the problem wasnt covered under the health guarantee. I bought my yorkie at the time from a local breeder with ckc registration for $400 and he was healthy as could be with a beautiful coat, a awesome bite, and never had any health problems from day one. He was stolen from me a couple of years ago. My point is that you never know what you will get and more money doesnt mean you will get a healthier puppy. Its just the same with humans you can be of picture perfect health and have a child with a disability or health issue while your neighbor who isnt of the best health has a child thats perfectly healthly so you just never know. Being health tested is a good thing for the piece of mind that your puppy should be healthy but there is never gonna be a 100% guarantee.

Show breeders can be bad breeders to. The AKC is the only registry in the us that can guarantee you have a full blooded dog.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

And there have been several instances where I have not continued with the sell. All my buyers and myself have established a solid relationship....and we both want what is best for the baby, and we work closely together to achieve this. We really are like a big extended family.....I can honestly say I love all my buyers, respect and honor them BEFORE we proceed with the relationship/sell.

Same with us in rescue! Once the rescue dog is placed, it never means the foster family is gone from the dog's life forever. If for some reason or another (ie death in the family, etc) the rescue dog comes back to the rescue; it's in the contract. I still stay in contact with all my foster dogs. That's one of the perks of being a foster mom!

[Teresiana]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Same with us in rescue! Once the rescue dog is placed, it never means the foster family is gone from the dog's life forever. If for some reason or another (ie death in the family, etc) the rescue dog comes back to the rescue; it's in the contract. I still stay in contact with all my foster dogs. That's one of the perks of being a foster mom!

I have 3 rescues. It also states in my contract that if I ever need to surrender one of them, I must surrender them to the rescue. The contract from my breeder is like that as well. I just assumed that a clause like that was a standard thing.

[DBlain]

you know I can understand that with rescue dogs that if you can no longer care for them they should be returned to the rescue group so I am glad they have that in their contract. But when buying a dog outright if later in life I could not take care of it, I will be the one finding a home for it, not the person I bought it from. If I got the pup free under the condition of returning it if I could not keep that would be a different story, but not one that I bought outright and paid good money for. Guess I would have to address that if I was ever to buy another puppy again.

I do like the breeders trying to maintain contact to keep an eye on long term health issues that do not crop up until later in life, but the three I bought yorkies from never contacted me. It would be a stretch to call the person I bought Lola a breeder and she no longer selling dogs, so I doubt she would want her back. Thankfully I don't think I will ever have to give Lola up, but she is priceless so if I had to there would be a long line to choose from D

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by DBlain

you know I can understand that with rescue dogs that if you can no longer care for them they should be returned to the rescue group so I am glad they have that in their contract. But when buying a dog outright if later in life I could not take care of it, I will be the one finding a home for it, not the person I bought it from. If I got the pup free under the condition of returning it if I could not keep that would be a different story, but not one that I bought outright and paid good money for. Guess I would have to address that if I was ever to buy another puppy again.

I do like the breeders trying to maintain contact to keep an eye on long term health issues that do not crop up until later in life, but the three I bought yorkies from never contacted me. It would be a stretch to call the person I bought Lola a breeder and she no longer selling dogs, so I doubt she would want her back. Thankfully I don't think I will ever have to give Lola up, but she is priceless so if I had to there would be a long line to choose from D

and that would be one of those little stipulations that, unless you lied intentionally at the time of purchase, I would feel unable to continue with the sell. The value I place on my babies is not whether the baby costs $3000.00 or if the baby was free, in MY mind, the value of that baby is the fact that it is MY vision of what I thought combining that particular baby's dam/sire, was going to produce. THAT is the value of that baby to me....not what price tag I put on it. People that I am filtering and approving for my babies, are all on the same wave length I am, and they understand exactly how I feel for my babies, why I do the things I do, and why I have the restrictions I have with regards to my babies. They all know, without a shadow of a doubt, my concern is for the babies, for the length of their life, not just until I get the check in the bank. As I said, I make it clear to them, if they have someone in mind that they think will take care of their baby with the same love and attentiveness that they have, all we have to do is discuss it, and I will speak with the person and there more than likely not be a problem. But just because someone thinks they paid good money for the dog, and I am no longer in the picture and that gives them the right to drop it off at the pound or sell it in the newspaper to whoever answers the ad with the money to buy the dog, ....NOT HAPPENING WITH A ROSEHILL BABY!!! Because I can promise you, THAT is the person that will be squealing like a pig under a gate, if 7 years down the road, something develops with that baby! They will assertain I am indeed part of that babys life! They will dad gum be sure that I am held accountable for that baby, whether I should be or not! So, no, buyers do NOT get to "pick and choose" when and for what I am to be included in that babys life! This is well established and there have been no issues...guess because those that do have a problem, are not sold one of my babies....regardless of the price tag!