Ruby's Puppies @ 8 weeks old, I have found Great families for all of them.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Carmeow

She seriously just explained herself and you dont always know best. You're not a vet. I know your intentions are good. I'm not trying to attack. My opinion is that you should just focus your education of breeding on someone who needs it more. They're out there, as we both know.

No I don't always know best but the people who have done the research I read do as well as the ytca. Sometimes there are breeders who could also use education to better them selves or just simply a person looking for a breeder who reads this thread.

[katienme2002]

These little ones sure are cute!!! I just love little puppy faces!

[HunterTheBiewer]

I'm confused...why the freaking out? I thought most puppies leave the nest at 8 weeks as a minimum? LOL

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by HunterTheBiewer

I'm confused...why the freaking out? I thought most puppies leave the nest at 8 weeks as a minimum? LOL

Small dogs develope slower then big dogs and are still learning from the mothers at 12 weeks. If I was on my computer I would post the links. One of them is from the humane society.

[dawn27]

[QUOTE=Lovetodream88;4179725]Vets can not know every breed and what is best for each breed and I have even heard many vets who say they go by what each breed club suggest. There is a lot of research that shows 12 weeks is best for so many reasons. Why not just give them the best start possible and keep them until 12 weeks. It makes me so sad that someone who is an active member of yt and that has seen the research would continue to do this. Can I ask why your not a member or the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America?[/QUOTE]


I have no idea what that club is, and what does this have to do with anything?

[Lovetodream88]

[quote=dawn27;4179796]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Vets can not know every breed and what is best for each breed and I have even heard many vets who say they go by what each breed club suggest. There is a lot of research that shows 12 weeks is best for so many reasons. Why not just give them the best start possible and keep them until 12 weeks. It makes me so sad that someone who is an active member of yt and that has seen the research would continue to do this. Can I ask why your not a member or the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America?[/QUOTE]


I have no idea what that club is, and what does this have to do with anything?

You don't know the ytca? I thought just about everyone on here did. Check it out its ytca.org

[dawn27]

[quote=Lovetodream88;4179801]

Originally Posted by dawn27

You don't know the ytca? I thought just about everyone on here did. Check it out its ytca.org

Ok I will, thanks Taylor

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Sorry I've been quit busy and am now just getting time to look over your reply's. No this is Not a Joke. I only wanted to share in my joy of finding wonderful families for each of them. I did a lot of weeding out those people that I didn't' feel could handle the responsibility of a new pup.

I have spoken to my vet who knows me and my pups very well. I asked her about keeping the little ones for up to 12 weeks because I was concerned about their size. I've never had pups this small before. She said that it has nothing to do with size but whether they are eating, drinking and are energetic. She said as long as they gaining weight and are doing well they can go at eight weeks old. So, upon her advise I am letting the two largest pups go at eight weeks. Bo has gone to his new family and I have been in contact with here and she said he did wonderful. Daisy will also leave this weekend. I have no doubt that they are going to be in great and capable hands. If I has any concerns what so ever they would not be going.

I am keeping the other smaller ones longer. My vet nor I have any concerns about there eating habits or energy level. They have been wormed and had one series of shot and will have second before leaving my home. I am very confident that each of them is ready and could go at eight weeks but I am choosing to keep the smallest one longer. Some will go at nine weeks and the other two will leave at 10 weeks of age.

I don't expect that any of you can understand my decision and I am not going to go back and forth with you as you question it. I will alway have the best interest of my pups at heart in any decision that I make concerning their well being.

Thank you to those who shared in this Joyful moment and to those with concerns. Thank you I appreciate it but it is really not necessary.

I really believe that breed clubs can know more than vets about the breeds they specialize in. You have 1000's of breeders who have been sharing hundreds of years of experience with each other. Twelve weeks is considered the minimum age to surrender a Yorkie pup and other toy breed experts share these thoughts. Eight weeks is fine for larger breeds, but their development is different and it's more than just eating and gaining weight, they are learning other important things from the mother. Good mothers begin the potty training by nudging the pups over to the pee pads, and they also teach inhibition of the biting reflex. Good breeders want to give every opportunity for future success for their yorkie pups and they have found that 12 weeks is the earliest you should give them up. Every breeder can learn something from the mother club; I hope you reconsider selling them so early. I would hope all breeders would encourage their peers to become better breeders. Remember, its not just about their weight, it’s about their maturity level. Read more here: Why do Maltese puppies need to be 12 weeks old before going to a new home??

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

You don't know the ytca? I thought just about everyone on here did. Check it out its ytca.org

I'm a little shocked she hasn't heard about the YTCA, that would be the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, they are the mother club of the Yorkie and set the standard. Right now the website is being revamped so we can't link any information.

[dawn27]

This topic has been on debate on so many other threads, too too many to mention and people/new members have left this group do to things getting out of hand. This is not what I want, I will not be getting into a debate with anyone. I will not reply to anyone who insist on taking my discission and making in into something that it is not. I am open to any ones opinion and will gladly read any informational links that are given. But I have made my decision and unless we run into health issues during their next vet visit I am keeping with my decision. I thank you for your concern.

Just to clarify: Ruby is not the one who is taking care of the pups, I am. She no longer cleans there butts, I do. They have been weened for more than two weeks now. Ruby has no interest in them other than to eat their food while they try to dry nurse. I am the one who follows them around cleaning up pee and poo. Im the one that corrects them when they get out of hand biting and growling, not Ruby, she runs from them. I have started the training process, teaching them to sit and fetch and play nice and no bite, not Ruby, but me. So none of you can tell me that they need their mother until 12 weeks of age when she has had no interest in them. I am doing everything for them. I feed them, cleaned them, keep them in a clean safe place, I discipline them and correct them all in order to prepare them to their new lives away form their mother and litter mates and I will continue to do so until the very last moment when I hand them over to their new families.

That is what a good, caring breeder who cares about and loves her puppies does. I am doing everything possible to prepare them to leave my home as a single pup who is no longer part of our family or a litter or who has a mother. Its going to happen regardless if it happens at 8 wks or 12 wks or somewhere in between. Its going to happen and its going to be hard on them as much as it will be on me and my family to see them go. But I am doing everything that I can to get them to the point of being an independent, happy self soothing pup. That is why I do things my way.

[Lovetodream88]

Did you do genetic testing on Ruby? Just kinda wondering. Do you also do a spay and neuter contract?

[lynzy420]

Getting rid of puppies at 8 weeks old, wrong.......IT IS THE DEVELOPMENTAL MATURATION THAT THE PUPPIES GET DURING THE NEXT 2, 3, OR 4 WEEKS that is important. That is the reason you hold on to them!!!!!!! But then when this whole thing started with your pregnant dog,....no xrays before whelping you claimed it was because "In my experience, she looks like 2 maybe 3 puppies"....." another breeder here said, "In MY experience, she looks like 6-7 puppies....". Then after the litter was born, you said, "I was expecting 5 babies, but that 6th one was a surprise"....and another breeder replied, "Actually, in YOUR experience, you were expecting 2-3 babies" Getting rid of babies so you don't have to be responsible for paying for vaccinations, microchipping, etc.....wrong. This smells of making money off the backs of your pups...sorry, but its what I see.

I'm sorry Dawn, I really think in my experience, my knowledge, my research you fall in to a different category. Your explanation doesn't ring right in my ears...as someone who constantly is (outside of YT and within YT) researching and helping to expose breeders who run the kind of breeding program you do...I'm at a loss as to how not to respond, knowing you as I have, but then again people never fail to disappoint me these days.

You waved the taboo flag Loud and Proud in your title of this thread, then say you won't debate? What's to debate? You have with great detail described from beginning to end the type of breeding program you run", your words speak for themselves.

One last thing, I think your momma needs to be spayed and retired, she is telling you by what you describe that she no longer wishes to produce puppies for you....she has no interest...and in your own words you've described that your getting rid of the puppies because you are having to care for them....

Good luck, I wish you would read the threads from the well established and respected breeders here, open your mind and perhaps take an inventory of why your doing what your doing...in their collective experience, and through their own words, your breeding practices are very, very suspect.

I know this will not go over well, I know this, but I can't pretend to not see the huge flag you've waved.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Carmeow

She seriously just explained herself and you dont always know best. You're not a vet. I know your intentions are good. I'm not trying to attack. My opinion is that you should just focus your education of breeding on someone who needs it more. They're out there, as we both know.

They are out there and on here, as well....unfortunately.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Did you do genetic testing on Ruby? Just kinda wondering. Do you also do a spay and neuter contract?

Dawn, you seem like a very nice person, but I'm hoping some of you are here to learn things. Selling on a spay and neuter contract is so important, it's one of the best things a breeder can do to ensure your pups won't be going into a hostile environment. There are seriously many people who will breed them to death, especially if they are AKC. As you know most dogs shouldn’t even be bred, you have no way of knowing at this age if the dogs should be bred, their health, physical traits and personality traits should be evaluated first. It doesn’t sound like you evaluated your breeding female good enough since she rejected her pups and I hope you don’t breed her again, puppies that have a poor mother also make poor mothers and this means none of your females should produce pups. It’s difficult enough to train Yorkies, but not having the proper socialization with the mother and littermates can produce pups that have two of the biggest training issues, housebreaking and biting. There’s no way you could know if the people who bought your pups are responsible enough to be breeders. Good breeders have to check out someone for years before they will consider selling a breeding dog. If indeed, you are selling them on open registration, please think about changing this, it’s one of the most important things you can do to protect the breed!

[dawn27]

Are you serious right now? (lynzy420)

Just because you have nothing better to do with your days than to spend countless time looking through my previous threads & posts and quoting me doesn't make you an expert on ME. You or anyone else have any say in how or what I do. You dont know me so you have no right to judge me or tell when I should let my pups go. I am not trying to cause harm to them in any way by sending them to their new families at 8, 9 or 10 weeks of age. Its just the opposite and Im sorry that you dont see it that way.

Its beyond Ridiculous, You are twisting my words to benefit your ridiculous and judgmental views of me. I am not Getting rid of my puppies . . . . I am not tired of caring for them, I care for them because I love them and whant the best for them and it is my responsibility as a breeder to do so. I am trying to prepare them for their new homes by making them independent of Ruby. It is the same thing that every other breeder does, I just choose to do it sooner. Plus I have taken over her mothering duties by choice not fault.

Ruby is an excellent mother. I've had no issues with her when it came to caring for her pups. She didn't leave their side until they were 5 wks old when we started the weening process. It was my decision to keep Ruby away from them. I am the one that made that choice for her in order to start preparing them to be independent of her. So please do not question her as a mother. I didnt just through her and her pups in a cage and forget about them. I am just as much a hands on mother to them as Ruby was. Its just that I took over her mothering position for her. That doesn't make her a bad mother nor does it make me a bad breeder.

Just because I have a different way of doing things and my pups dont get micro chipped or leave here with a full series of shots doesn't make me a bad breeder either. I do more for my pups than most of the breeders I see including the once that my own dogs came from. When I made the choice to breed I wanted to be sure to change the things that I saw that were wrong with the breeders that I found our dogs in as pups in kennels and what not and I have done that.

Regardless of what any of you think about me or my breeding practices I am proud of what I have done and how I raise these pups. I have no doubt that they will be well behaved and loving companions and make wonderful additions to each of their families. I have an open communication policy. They all know that I am hear to help with any concerns they may have an will alway be available to help them.

I thank those of you for your concerns.
Have a wonderful day !!