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02-05-2013, 04:51 PM | #31 |
YT 500 Club Member | I never thought about that. That is a pretty good reason to change up and I always want my Honey to be happy. |
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02-05-2013, 04:52 PM | #32 |
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| I just prefer to feed Buster a Grain free or low Grain diet as I find he has less issues. I do like to rotate brands as well as Protein to vary his diet. From your and Champions websites Ideal Balance™ Adult Chicken & Brown Rice Diet Ingredients ( 2nd ingredient brown rice, 3rd wheat, 4th Barley, 5th soybean meal ) Chicken, Brown Rice, Whole Grain Wheat, Cracked Pearled Barley, Soybean Meal, Chicken Meal, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Egg Product, Natural Flavor, Whole Grain Oats, Apples, Lactic Acid, Soybean Oil, Cranberries, Peas, Carrots, Dried Beet Pulp, Iodized Salt, Flaxseed, Broccoli, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin E Supplement, Choline Chloride, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Phosphoric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract. ORIJENS INGREDIENTS Adult Dog Food (2nd ingredient chicken meal 3rd Salmon 4th turkey meal ) Fresh boneless chicken*, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon*, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, sweet potato, fresh boneless turkey*, fresh whole eggs*, fresh chicken liver*, fresh boneless lake whitefish*, fresh boneless walleye*, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium.
__________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything." Last edited by Buster Brown; 02-05-2013 at 04:54 PM. |
02-05-2013, 04:54 PM | #33 | |
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02-05-2013, 04:56 PM | #34 |
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| As I have posted in the past, I have chosen to go with a company that does feeding trials. From a vet nutritionist I consulted with regarding finding a food I could TRUST. The recalls were very concerning to me. Every pet food label must contain a statement and validation of nutritional adequacy. AAFCO regulations allow two basic methods for pet food manufacturers to substantiate claims. Formulation Method — Requires the manufacturer to formulate the food to meet the AAFCO nutrient profiles for dogs and cats. This method is less time consuming and less expensive because feeding trials with pets are not required, only a calculation of the nutrient levels. An example of an AAFCO statement using the formulation method would be: "Brand ABC Cat Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by AAFCO Cat Food Profiles for maintenance of adult cats." Feeding Trial Method — Requires the manufacturer perform an AAFCO-protocol feeding trial using the food as the sole source of nutrition. Gold Standard or preferred method. Documents the pets' performance when fed the food. An example of an AAFCO statement using the feeding trial method would be: "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Brand X Dog Food provides complete and balanced nutrition for maintenance of adult dogs."
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02-05-2013, 05:05 PM | #35 |
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| I am not saying that the dog food advisor is the answer. Yes, do your research. I have talked to many pet nutritionist and most of them say the same thing about quality dog foods. You get what you pay for. As far as I am concerned, I will stick with the dentist! |
02-05-2013, 07:03 PM | #36 |
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| I agree with you. You've researched and consulted nutritionists and found food that works for your babies. That's the bottom line we all need to learn about what goes into the food we feed our babies. Once we are informed we can make good choices for our dogs. Just like human diets what works for one person may not work for someone else.
__________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything." Last edited by Buster Brown; 02-05-2013 at 07:04 PM. |
02-05-2013, 07:19 PM | #37 |
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| To the OP, if your vet thinks this is an allergy how about an elimination diet? If you just cut out grains and things are no better in 12 weeks you will have to go with an elim diet anyway. are you sure this is not an environmental issue? Absolutely switch foods if you think this one is not working. I'd just choose carefully. It is interesting to me that so many dogs on yt have tearing blamed on food. I'm not saying it isn't happening, but it seems this is not an accurate representation of what the average vet sees... --------- If you don't like SD, don't feed it. Simple. Whether or not meat is the first ingredient after grains are added is not important to me. I would not want and would not let my dogs eat that much meat. And the more Ellie's homemade diet was changed up/rotated, the more issues we had. Basic nutrition is easy. Nutritionally biochemistry and physiology are not. If it is really that easy then more people would have PhDs in this field.
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02-05-2013, 09:29 PM | #38 |
YT 500 Club Member | We did do elimination and that went pretty good because I dont really feed her anything then dog food anyway. When he called to check on her yesterday he told me to go to the store and get baby water instead of giving her water from the sink. I started giving her the water yesterday when I got home and all day today. I have noticed that her eyes are doing much better today. Im sure I will still change her to a grain free food but he said if the eye draining stops when I change the water then not to worry about changing her food right away. He said he would call back in a week to see how she is doing or if I had any questions I could call him. So we will see. |
02-05-2013, 10:21 PM | #39 |
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| I don't think dog food advisor is the only way to choose a food by going oh its rated 5 stars that means its good. I use it just too look at ingredients and the comments on a food. When picking a food you have to look at the company and the ingredients. I know Callie is allergic to grain and I know this with my own tests she always breaks out if she eats a food with grain in it no matter how "good" the food is and because of how much I have tired it and talked with my vet about it because a few times her bumps got pretty bad she feels it is a grain allergy too. Some dogs do fine on grains and some don't. A big factor is how your dog does on the food.
__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! |
02-06-2013, 03:11 PM | #40 | |
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__________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything." | |
02-06-2013, 07:16 PM | #42 |
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| So Glad You tried The Canine Caviar!! Riley is doing better than ever after 6-months of feeding. It's such a good feeling when you can see something working for them. I still get so relieved & Happy when I flip him over and see a Clear Tummy |
02-07-2013, 09:02 AM | #43 | |
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The dentist that you mention simply set up a site for people to read ingredient lists and make a more educated decision about the foods they are buying for their pet. He is not some uneducated fool putting out info. He has spent a lot of time researching pet foods and you think that is a bad thing? He does it as a free service to pet owners which is far less suspicious than some other sources of information available. | |
02-07-2013, 09:47 AM | #44 | |
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I have to switch and shop around because Minnie Mia gets picky. I try to stay with the 4-5 stars food. We have basically tried them all. My Mini Schnauzer lived 4 years with liver disease after changing her to Science Diet 7+ years dry and wet food (as per our vet's instructions.) She was 14 years old when we finally lost her. She was very ill at age 10. (can't blame it on any dog food because we fed her way too much for the table) The vet she had been seeing told us to take her home and keep her comfortable. We took her to a different vet (our current one) who put her on liver meds and Science Diet.....we kept her 4 1/2 years longer. So, what I'm saying is if a very sick dog can get better while eating SD food, it really isn't a "bad" dog food!! I haven't fed my yorkies SD, but I'm not saying I never would. I agree with ladyjane...we all feed what we want to!! I know of dogs (yes, yorkies even) that have lived long, healthy lives eating the less approved dog foods everyday.
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02-07-2013, 12:24 PM | #45 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
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