Pierced Yorkie ears?!?!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Belle Noir

It's not dog owners rights to do this in PA. And I am VERY glad of it.

Those pictures though, I really think are photoshopped. At least I really hope it is.

Here is the thing.. If we don't stand against things that are obviously cruelty, we will have the animal rights activists pushing the government to MAKE those choices for us.

All of us in the show world are well away of what Pedigree Dogs Exposed did in the UK show scene, and what has happened in this past years Crufts. THAT is what happens when we, the people who are supposed to be "IMPROVING" the breed get stupid and breed for unhealthy extremes, that is in it's essences, torture breeding.

THIS is why when something like that pops up, we MUST stand against it. It's wrong. Period. And by condoning it, you make the ARs push even more to enact laws that satisfies their better dead than fed agenda.

Oh, and the whole tail dock/ear crop thing.. That goes with what I am saying. That is the government making choices for you and your dog. Because the government decided with the help of AR lobbiests, that tail docking and ear cropping is cruel, you can no longer do this.

And in some places there has been an upswing in tails that have to be docked because the dogs keep breaking them. Of course, these are adult dogs that have gone through numerous tail breakings, now having to have an amputation, which is far worse than having a 3 second procedure at 3 days old, that they forget about in 3 minutes.

I can think of a few things that piercing falls under. Veterinary procedure without license for one. Cruelty, because it's done without anesthesia. Maiming perhaps, because it could be considered disfiguring by the law.

Trust and believe, as this spreads, IF it spreads, you WILL see laws specifically naming this as being animal cruelty. And tucked up in there will be laws about MSN, and the number of intact bitches you can own, and a few others they can stick in there, as pushed by the AR lobbies of that ares, and supported no doubt by the HSUS.



But it IS animal abuse in the state of PA, and if you pierce your dog, and the humane society sees your dog with pierced ears, I have 50 bucks that says they will take your dog and put you in jail.
Want to take me up on it, since you're so in for it.
Yes you damned well believe it IS my business what someone does with their dogs. I won't let someone kick their dog in the street, and if I see this I WILL report it to the proper authorities.

It was a ruling in one state not nation wide. Ill put 50 bucks that if the humane society knew someone pierced their dogs ears they wouldnt do jack about it. They have more serious issues than that they are dealing with. Piercing a dogs ears is not abuse but kicking a dog is so your not comparing apples to oranges. It is owner choice same as dressing a dog

[chachi]

Some people could argue docking tails is animal abuse since your removing a dogs body part and yet it is done everyday. If that isnt considered animal abuse then I cant see how piercing could be considered animal abuse. Docking is done by breeders choice and piercing is done by owners choice

[chachi]

I used to be alot different on my views in the name of being an animal advocate. Owner rights and choices werent a consideration given. Then I realized what I really was an animal rights zealot. An animal rights advocate also considers the owner because I dog or cat wouldnt be a family pet without the owner taking care of it. There is a thin line between being an advocate or a zealot

[GuinnessStout]

Originally Posted by chachi

I used to be alot different on my views in the name of being an animal advocate. Owner rights and choices werent a consideration given. Then I realized what I really was an animal rights zealot. An animal rights advocate also considers the owner because I dog or cat wouldnt be a family pet without the owner taking care of it. There is a thin line between being an advocate or a zealot

My point... I am considered by some an abuser because my dog has a blue mohawk... but yet I know for a fact my dog is treated better than a lot of children!! Yea I am lucky my husband makes rather good money and since I can not have children my dog is my child, is that kind of sick in way hmm yes but still he gets the best food, he gets spa treatments every other month he has more clothes and toys than any dog could need... does that hurt him?? no it just makes him a spoiled little brat with blue fur is all

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by GuinnessStout

My point... I am considered by some an abuser because my dog has a blue mohawk... but yet I know for a fact my dog is treated better than a lot of children!! Yea I am lucky my husband makes rather good money and since I can not have children my dog is my child, is that kind of sick in way hmm yes but still he gets the best food, he gets spa treatments every other month he has more clothes and toys than any dog could need... does that hurt him?? no it just makes him a spoiled little brat with blue fur is all

LOL. I doubt anybody would look at Guinney's 'hawk and think his mommy abused him in taking a while to dab some blue on his hair! To me it's those OT owners that groom standard poodles etc. like elephants or ocelots or lions that you know had to sit or lie for hours while getting groomed that worry you. You worry if the dog was barked at, jerked a lot, fussed at a lot if he moved wrong, made to stand for so long periods with a taut loop over his neck while he was endlessly groomed that is concerning. On the other hand, some dogs that can be groomed lying down go off to sleep or feel the tug of their fur as kind of a massage and their eyes slit, tongues loll out like they are enjoying it. I've seen poodles doze through grooming sessions at times.

But if the dog is getting lots of attention and enjoying the process, he's what matters. If he's miserable the whole time and made to do things he just hates for an owner's own reasons, that seems very wrong to subject one to that. I imagine its those fine lines between what some call abuse and some call fun the owner wants to have with the dog that will always be discussed as long as dogs are pets.

Some think jumping out of an airplane with a dog strapped on for the jump is abuse or having them in bicycle baskets or motorcycle seats during bicycle or motorcycling - anything that can subject them to serious injury - is abusive. But the dogs seem to be having so much fun in things like that, I think they are enjoying it.

Healthy dogs mostly seem like adrenaline junkies and don't you think most still would be and undertake possibly injurious activities even if they knew and could properly evaluate their own risk!

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

True. I had forgotten that!

I wonder if that bull terrier photo is photoshopped. I'd lke to think it is.

I think the Pug or what ever it is photo is probably fake. I just don't think piercings would turn out that perfect on a dog. The things like that lead less than stable pet owners to try something like it and in the process really hurt a dog. Most good vets would turn an owner in who did that to their dog. Doubt that people like that would take an animal to the vet anyway though.

[GuinnessStout]

Originally Posted by gracielove

I think the Pug or what ever it is photo is probably fake. I just don't think piercings would turn out that perfect on a dog. The things like that lead less than stable pet owners to try something like it and in the process really hurt a dog. Most good vets would turn an owner in who did that to their dog. Doubt that people like that would take an animal to the vet anyway though.

I can tell you that the jewelry required for that piercing would not be that close to his lip and to have made it fit there they would have had to remove his teeth even which of course would leave you with a pup with his tongue hanging out so there is no way that is real... I have to be careful about the type of jewelry I wear in my lip because it might rub my bottom front teeth.

[GuinnessStout]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

LOL. I doubt anybody would look at Guinney's 'hawk and think his mommy abused him in taking a while to dab some blue on his hair! To me it's those OT owners that groom standard poodles etc. like elephants or ocelots or lions that you know had to sit or lie for hours while getting groomed that worry you. You worry if the dog was barked at, jerked a lot, fussed at a lot if he moved wrong, made to stand for so long periods with a taut loop over his neck while he was endlessly groomed that is concerning. On the other hand, some dogs that can be groomed lying down go off to sleep or feel the tug of their fur as kind of a massage and their eyes slit, tongues loll out like they are enjoying it. I've seen poodles doze through grooming sessions at times.

But if the dog is getting lots of attention and enjoying the process, he's what matters. If he's miserable the whole time and made to do things he just hates for an owner's own reasons, that seems very wrong to subject one to that. I imagine its those fine lines between what some call abuse and some call fun the owner wants to have with the dog that will always be discussed as long as dogs are pets.

Some think jumping out of an airplane with a dog strapped on for the jump is abuse or having them in bicycle baskets or motorcycle seats during bicycle or motorcycling - anything that can subject them to serious injury - is abusive. But the dogs seem to be having so much fun in things like that, I think they are enjoying it.

Healthy dogs mostly seem like adrenaline junkies and don't you think most still would be and undertake possibly injurious activities even if they knew and could properly evaluate their own risk!

PS those Poodles are rather creepy to me

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by GuinnessStout

PS those Poodles are rather creepy to me

They are mostly creepy to me and strangely fascinating in other instances - not that I would condone it for any dog I know. Boy, some people sure have a lot of spare time and energy on their hands, is all I can say!!! Imagine dying tiny ocelot spots all over a dog! Tibbe would pack his bags and jump on the nearest train out of town if I did something like that to him. The longest he has to stand still is when I am using the mustache groomer between his eyes to keep the area clean and he is pretty steamed after that is over. I have to gush over what a good, good boy he is the whole time and even sneak him a treat in the middle if he's very impatient. Then he snorts a bit and starts wallowing on the couch in the den when done. Then he wants outside to run and run in the back yard. It would take 30 hours to groom Tibbe in any elaborate way and he'd likely do me in by the time it was over. It would probably be the first ever Yorkie murder-for-hire ever recorded and would definiely spoil our closeknit bond.

[Oddsock]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

They are mostly creepy to me and strangely fascinating in other instances - not that I would condone it for any dog I know. Boy, some people sure have a lot of spare time and energy on their hands, is all I can say!!! Imagine dying tiny ocelot spots all over a dog! Tibbe would pack his bags and jump on the nearest train out of town if I did something like that to him. The longest he has to stand still is when I am using the mustache groomer between his eyes to keep the area clean and he is pretty steamed after that is over. I have to gush over what a good, good boy he is the whole time and even sneak him a treat in the middle if he's very impatient. Then he snorts a bit and starts wallowing on the couch in the den when done. Then he wants outside to run and run in the back yard. It would take 30 hours to groom Tibbe in any elaborate way and he'd likely do me in by the time it was over. It would probably be the first ever Yorkie murder-for-hire ever recorded and would definiely spoil our closeknit bond.

I love reading about you and Tibbe. ..and enjoy your humour.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Oddsock

I love reading about you and Tibbe. ..and enjoy your humour.

hehehe. Thank you! You have to have a pretty good sense of humor when you live with a strongwilled Yorkie!

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

hehehe. Thank you! You have to have a pretty good sense of humor when you live with a strongwilled Yorkie!

LOL too true!

[Belle Noir]

Originally Posted by chachi

It was a ruling in one state not nation wide. Ill put 50 bucks that if the humane society knew someone pierced their dogs ears they wouldnt do jack about it. They have more serious issues than that they are dealing with. Piercing a dogs ears is not abuse but kicking a dog is so your not comparing apples to oranges. It is owner choice same as dressing a dog

You can best bet that if they think that they can get a lot of media coverage, they will do just what I said. And for a humane society, cruelty is cruelty, it doesn't matter if it's something small, or something large. Why? Media coverage = more donations EVEN if the money isn't for the animal that was being featured. Look at the ASPCA and Oreo for example.
And ALL state laws have similar animal cruelty statutes. It would NOT be hard at all for a DA in any city in ANY state to use that states laws to prosecute someone for piercing their dogs ears for the reasons I stated.

ALL states have maiming laws, and if you weren't aware I DID say "But it IS animal abuse in the state of PA, and if you pierce your dog, and the humane society sees your dog with pierced ears, I have 50 bucks that says they will take your dog and put you in jail." and prior to THAT I said "Trust and believe, as this spreads, IF it spreads, you WILL see laws specifically naming this as being animal cruelty". I believe I made the distinction that if you pierced your dogs ears in PA, that is what would happen to you, since it IS animal cruelty in the state of PA, and further, because I states it's highly likely that this will be put into law in other places where is it NOT already law.

Not only that, but these laws will be lobbied FOR by the likes of PETA and HSUS, and will contain language such as "for cosmetic purposes", which also means docking and cropping, which they have been trying to get banned here for decades. See the slippery slope?

Don't think it won't happen, because it's happened before. First limits on the number of dogs you can have, then MSN, then limits on the number of intact females you can have, which has lead to the proposed changes to APHIS which basically makes everyone who has sold a puppy online without the buyer coming to their house a pet store and subject to USDA laws. Google it, don't take my word. This kind of thing the AR nuts LOVE, because they can use it to further their agenda.

I don't know if you read that story, or tried googling it for yourself, but let me point some things out.. The seller was turned in by someone who works for PETA. They're the people that have been actively fighting to end pet ownership for EVERYONE. Should one of those AR freaks see a peirced dog, I PROMISE you they WILL report it. And PETA with the hundreds of millions they get from donors every years HAVE the ability to SEE that the case is prosecuted, because that kind of thing fits into THEIR agenda.

I don't even know why this is a matter of LAW. Seriously? I am shocked that someone would think it's OK, that condones putting earrings in dogs ears. Some things are right and wrong without there needing to BE a law for it. Example, did you know you can keep a dog in a vari kennel it's whole life in some places? In some states they'll call it cruel confinement, and arrest you, and some states they don't care so long as the dog is clean healthy, fed and watered. But is it RIGHT?

"Law controls the lesser man. Right conduct controls the greater one" ~Mark Twain.

The law in Indianapolis Indiana states
Sec. 531-401. - General requirements for animal care and treatment.
(a)Every owner or keeper of an animal kept in the consolidated city and county shall see that such animal:
(4)Is protected against abuse, cruelty, neglect, torment, overload, overwork, or any other mistreatment;

Sec. 531-206. - Unlawful use of a dog.
(a)It shall be unlawful for a person to make use of a dog in the commission or furtherance of any criminal act in the city.


I can bet that it would not take too much effort for a DA to make a case that piercing a dogs ears falls under these sections, specifically, because they have vets that will make the case that the act of piercing, when relating to a dog is abusive, cruel, and constitutes mistreatment and torment.



Further they can probably play on the second section if the person who pierced the ears were not a licensed piercer, since it's illegal to do so unless you have that license, and so that would be using a dog in the commission of a criminal activity.



I believe that it IS possible for anyone in any state to be jailed and have their dogs confiscated if there is a DA that thinks they can make a case using the general cruelty laws that all states have. I have seen DAs make cases on lesser law than this. And I believe that something like this would be taken up by media, practically insuring the conviction of the owner of the dog.



Dogs can always have their clothes taken off, it's nowhere near the same thing as having a needle jabbed through a sensitive part of their body with thousands of nerve endings, muscles, and blood vessels to create a permanent hole.
No, it's not apples and oranges. Go on think it's cute all you want to, it's STILL cruel. It's a shame you just can't see it.

[GuinnessStout]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

They are mostly creepy to me and strangely fascinating in other instances - not that I would condone it for any dog I know. Boy, some people sure have a lot of spare time and energy on their hands, is all I can say!!! Imagine dying tiny ocelot spots all over a dog! Tibbe would pack his bags and jump on the nearest train out of town if I did something like that to him. The longest he has to stand still is when I am using the mustache groomer between his eyes to keep the area clean and he is pretty steamed after that is over. I have to gush over what a good, good boy he is the whole time and even sneak him a treat in the middle if he's very impatient. Then he snorts a bit and starts wallowing on the couch in the den when done. Then he wants outside to run and run in the back yard. It would take 30 hours to groom Tibbe in any elaborate way and he'd likely do me in by the time it was over. It would probably be the first ever Yorkie murder-for-hire ever recorded and would definiely spoil our closeknit bond.

Do not send him to my house to visit Guinney then... There is some patch in my backyard that I am not quite sure where it is located BUT every time you make Guinney stay still long enough to get the eye boogers as we call them he will go straight out the back door to that magic spot with these little green sticker weeds and finds great pleasure in rubbing his entire head in them along with butt then dragging his entire body thought them because we really do not want mommy to miss out on combing my manhood while mumbling under her breath do we??? Grrr

I swear the entire time I comb his manhood he looks at me like

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by GuinnessStout

Do not send him to my house to visit Guinney then... There is some patch in my backyard that I am not quite sure where it is located BUT every time you make Guinney stay still long enough to get the eye boogers as we call them he will go straight out the back door to that magic spot with these little green sticker weeds and finds great pleasure in rubbing his entire head in them along with butt then dragging his entire body thought them because we really do not want mommy to miss out on combing my manhood while mumbling under her breath do we??? Grrr

I swear the entire time I comb his manhood he looks at me like

Oh, gosh! They can find all the places they should avoid and zero right in on them, can't they?!?! A dog full of stickers to pick out one at a time - woe is you!!! In the spring, Tibbe specializes in finding some sticky-gooey little things that catch to his leg hair and under his tummy. I have to bathe him to get that stuff out! Those things hang around for a month or so. I might could give him a quick earring along about the 3rd bath in a week! (JK!!!)