Bailey got sick from his shots

[R_Z]

Hello all. Been a while and I do hope all is well.

Wanted to share info that might spare your Yorkie from the pain poor Bailey went through last Thursday. We've had him now just over a year. So it was time for his annual shots. Our regular vet was out so we got one of the owners which I thought might be a good thing. Uh . . . no!

He proceeded to give Bailey all kinds of shots for rabies and other things (guess I should know these shots, but i don't). Doctor told us he might be puny for the night, which he was. The next morning he wasn't his perky self. He didn't move. At all . . . . !! He just laid there and whimpered. We tried feeding him, water, even a cookie. He wasn't interested in anything. He wouldn't climb the stairs to our offices so we picked him up and brought him. He wasn't better at all Friday so back to the vet he went. He was shivering so they gave him a shot of benadryl. Saturday morning, he was still lethargic and we were thinking the worst. Back to the vet. He went from 8.3lbs down to 7.9lbs in three days. They gave him an iv. He showed improvement. By the afternoon he was perky. Now he's back to himself, finally and thank goodness.

What did the doctor say? He said and I quote: "Maybe I shouldn't have given such a small dog so many shots at once". Really? Guess we all have to learn sometime. I would have thought you learn that in vet school. Oh well.

Ok so I'm being a little snarky, but we were pretty traumatized. In a span of 3 days we were at the vet three times. They didn't charge us for the last two visits. I thought that was nice (now that Bailey is ok once again).

I don't know if this has ever happened to any of you, but I certainly would keep it in the back of your mind when it's time for annual shots. I know I won't forget.

[AlwaysTexas]

My dogs get their shots one at a time with a week or so span in between regardless if they are due at once. Prior to the annual booster I request a shot of benadryl wait 20 mins then I allow the vet to give the booster shot. Two weeks later back to vet with benadryl then 20 mins later the rabies shot. I always make my vet appts in the early morning in the event on top of these precautions they should fall ill. I had a kitten many years ago that went for shots and she was almost lifeless for 3 days. Never again would I allow my pet to be given all their shots at once. I'm sorry that happened to you. It is very scary and you would think all vets would know this.

[Teresa Ford]

I am sorry this happened. My Vet spaces out shots one at a time.

[rubymoon2072]

im so sorry i learned this the hard way as well. i go back as many times as i need its a one shot deal PERIOD. so glad he's doing better! not all vets know how to treat small breeds...

[Britster]

Do not get annual shots! Completely unnecessary and any vet recommending them is either ignorant to the newest protocols or out for money ....

I'm sorry you had to experience that.

Check out some of these threads:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-not-give.html

Yearly vaccinations are no longer recommended. The AAHA recommends every 3 years but even that its too often. The only one required by law is rabies.

If a dog gets DHPP, for example, at 1 year old (or even their puppy vaccines) they are typically immune for life. Sometimes you may have to re-booster once in the dogs life but certainly not every year, or even every 3 years. I will most likely titer Jackson later this year to see how much adequate response he still has to the vaccines he received in the past... but there is no reason to believe that vaccinations do not last for the life of the dog. Duration of immunity studies are proving that to be true.

But your dog is not ANY more protected getting vaccines every year than if they got them every 3 years for example. Because it's the SAME exact vaccine. There is no difference between "1 year" or "3 year" or whatever. So getting your dogs vaccinated every year is not protecting them in any way and all you are doing is adding unnecessary chemicals into their body year after year.

The thing is, a lot of vets don't want to give up that money they get from yearly vaccines. Let's face it - most dog owners wouldn't want to fork up the dough to get titers and a majority of people ONLY take their dogs to the vet when they need vaccines. Of course a lot are going to continue recommending yearly. Now, an owner like me, I'll be at the vet at least once a year anyways for annual check-ups, bloodwork, etc so they'll still get their money from me. But an average owner... does not do this. So they are also concerned for pets wellbeing because, like I said, a lot of dogs wouldn't be getting check-ups every year either.

Consider this… One dose of rabies vaccine costs the vet about 61 cents. The client is typically charged between $15 and $38, plus a $35 office visit. The markup on the vaccine alone is 2,400 percent to 6,200 percent—a markup equivalent to charging $217 for a loaf of bread. According to one estimate, removing the one-year rabies vaccination and consequential office visit for dogs alone would decrease the average small vet’s income from $87,000 to $25,000—and this doesn’t include cats or other vaccinations.

According to James Schwartz, author of Trust Me, I’m Not a Veterinarian, 63 percent of canine and 70 percent of feline vet office visits are for vaccinations. Clearly, radically changing the vaccine schedule for dogs and cats would result in a huge economic loss for any veterinary practice that is built around shots. And chances are the vaccines you are paying so much for are creating even more income for vets, because the adverse reactions and other medical issues caused by the vaccines keep Fluffy coming back often!

Veterinary vaccine sales amounted to more than $3.2 million in 2004 and have risen 7 percent per year since 2000. This figure is projected to exceed $4 billion in 2009. Six companies account for more than 70percent of world veterinary vaccine sales. The market leader is Intervet, with sales of almost $600 million in 2004. That’s a whole lot of 61-cent vaccines. The United States has by far the largest share of the national market with revenues of $935 million, and Japan comes in second with $236 million.

Pet vaccination warning. Severe adverse reaction to immunization

The latest scientific research proves that after the first course of injections as a puppy most dogs are immune against these diseases for at least seven years, if not for life. I don't see why anyone would think vaccinating every year is necessary in any shape or form.

Here's some good reads:
Science of Vaccine Damage
Age and long-term protective immunity in dogs ... [J Comp Pathol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

The present study examines the DOI for core viral vaccines in dogs that had not been revaccinated for as long as 9 years. These animals had serum antibody to canine distemper virus (CDV), canine parvovirus type 2 (CPV-2) and canine adenovirus type-1 (CAV-1) at levels considered protective and when challenged with these viruses, the dogs resisted infection and/or disease. Thus, even a single dose of modified live virus (MLV) canine core vaccines (against CDV, cav-2 and cpv-2) or MLV feline core vaccines (against feline parvovirus [FPV], feline calicivirus [FCV] and feline herpesvirus [FHV]), when administered at 16 weeks or older, could provide long-term immunity in a very high percentage of animals, while also increasing herd immunity.

[Lovetodream88]

With small dogs you should never get more then one shot at a time and you should never ever let your vet give your dog a shot that you don't know what it is and what it is for. Glad he is doing better.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Britster

Do not get annual shots! Completely unnecessary and any vet recommending them is either ignorant to the newest protocols or out for money ....

I'm sorry you had to experience that.

Check out some of these threads:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-not-give.html

Yearly vaccinations are no longer recommended. The AAHA recommends every 3 years but even that its too often. The only one required by law is rabies.

If a dog gets DHPP, for example, at 1 year old (or even their puppy vaccines) they are typically immune for life. Sometimes you may have to re-booster once in the dogs life but certainly not every year, or even every 3 years. I will most likely titer Jackson later this year to see how much adequate response he still has to the vaccines he received in the past... but there is no reason to believe that vaccinations do not last for the life of the dog. Duration of immunity studies are proving that to be true.

But your dog is not ANY more protected getting vaccines every year than if they got them every 3 years for example. Because it's the SAME exact vaccine. There is no difference between "1 year" or "3 year" or whatever. So getting your dogs vaccinated every year is not protecting them in any way and all you are doing is adding unnecessary chemicals into their body year after year.

The thing is, a lot of vets don't want to give up that money they get from yearly vaccines. Let's face it - most dog owners wouldn't want to fork up the dough to get titers and a majority of people ONLY take their dogs to the vet when they need vaccines. Of course a lot are going to continue recommending yearly. Now, an owner like me, I'll be at the vet at least once a year anyways for annual check-ups, bloodwork, etc so they'll still get their money from me. But an average owner... does not do this. So they are also concerned for pets wellbeing because, like I said, a lot of dogs wouldn't be getting check-ups every year either.



The latest scientific research proves that after the first course of injections as a puppy most dogs are immune against these diseases for at least seven years, if not for life. I don't see why anyone would think vaccinating every year is necessary in any shape or form.

Here's some good reads:
Science of Vaccine Damage
Age and long-term protective immunity in dogs ... [J Comp Pathol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

Does this include Bordetella and Lyme?

[barkleylove]

Wow, that's scary! I'm glad everything turned out okay.

[Amirah-momma]

I always request Benadryl shot 15 mins prior. I am terrified of exactly what happen to your pup

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Does this include Bordetella and Lyme?

In order for those to be "effective", they do need to be given yearly. However I do not give those to my dog.

Check out this info about bordatella: http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com...cination-dogs/

I don't trust or like the lymes vaccine either and wouldn't bother with it. Very little of the country is effected by lymes. The lymes tests all give false positives, so none of the tests will actually tell you if the dog has the disease. The tests themselves cost more than the treatment to Lyme. A round of doxycycline can be given, very cheaply, if your dog is showing symptoms. Something like 5% of dogs who are exposed to Lyme ever get sick, it's just not worth it to me considering we have other tick-borne illnesses that can't be vaccinated against, so it's best just to use tick control meds as needed.

I won't give any of the "optional" vaccines, since they don't cover all strains or give full protection anyway.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Britster

In order for those to be "effective", they do need to be given yearly. However I do not give those to my dog.

Check out this info about bordatella: Bordetella Vaccination for Dogs: Fraud and Fallacy

I don't trust or like the lymes vaccine either and wouldn't bother with it. Very little of the country is effected by lymes. The lymes tests all give false positives, so none of the tests will actually tell you if the dog has the disease. The tests themselves cost more than the treatment to Lyme. A round of doxycycline can be given, very cheaply, if your dog is showing symptoms. Something like 5% of dogs who are exposed to Lyme ever get sick, it's just not worth it to me considering we have other tick-borne illnesses that can't be vaccinated against, so it's best just to use tick control meds as needed.

I won't give any of the "optional" vaccines, since they don't cover all strains or give full protection anyway.

I think even if its protecting against some strains that's better then protecting against none. Kennel cough is miserable in my opinion coughing for sometimes a month (I have heard it can last that long) would just suck. Many many people get the human flu shot and that only covers very very few strains.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I think even if its protecting against some strains that's better then protecting against none. Kennel cough is miserable in my opinion coughing for sometimes a month (I have heard it can last that long) would just suck. Many many people get the human flu shot and that only covers very very few strains.

My dog has gotten kennel cough while 'protected' from the bordatella vaccine. Just like I have known many people who get the flu even after receiving the flu vaccine. It's a gamble. Not to mention, ever since I stopped getting the KC vaccine, he hasn't gotten KC.

Kennel cough, yes, can be annoying, but it's no worse than when a human gets a cold. Humans don't get vaccines to protect against the common cold, and that's essentially all KC is. A little bit of meds, and it was cleared up within a week for Jackson.

Did you read the link I posted about bordetella?

The thing was vaccines is ... this is not some new aged stuff people spout around forums. It's proven scientifically.

The lack of efficacy is well summarized by noted immunologist Dr. Ronald Schultz: “Kennel Cough is not a vaccinatable disease”.

Despite the lack of any real effectiveness, the Bordetella vaccine is routinely given and touted as safe, especially in the intranasal form. Make no mistake however: the dangers and misinformation surrounding this seemingly innocuous spray are just as tangible and frightening as any other vaccination. A major problem with the Bordetella vaccine is that it is part of a combination vaccine. Unbeknownst to most pet owners, the Bordetella intranasal spray also contains Parainfluenza (the vaccine for which is not surprisingly, just as ineffective as Bordetella). The problems with the Parainfluenza portion
are threefold.


First, there is a real danger of dangerous immunological overload when vaccinations are offered in combination. Second, like Bordetella, most dogs have already been exposed to Parainfluenza, making the necessity of vaccination questionable. Third, the Parainfluenza vaccine is just as ineffective as the Bordetella vaccine because the vaccine does not provide antibody against Parainfluenza where it is most needed: on the mucosal surfaces.


Other dangers associated with the Bordetella vaccine are obviously not far removed from the dangers associated with any other vaccination. Although Bordetella is a bacterial vaccine, we now know that bacterial vaccines present the same threat as Modified Live Vaccines. Modified Live Viruses from human vaccines are now known to become incorporated in the genes of the host and can shuffle, reassert, and reactivate thirty or more years after vaccination.


Bacterial genes are capable of the same activity, lurking in the genetic makeup, waiting to replicate and awaken. The intranasal Bordetella vaccine has
been known to activate a previously asymptomatic collapsing trachea and disrupt phagocytic activity which can progress to pneumonia. The toxins from the vaccine will also kill the ciliated lining of the trachea, creating a denuded area susceptible to anything coming down the windpipe. Perhaps collapsing trachea, irritable tracheas and pneumonias are all complications of Bordetella and the Bordetella vaccine.


Vaccination of any sort also elevates histamine which can promote cancer, chronic inflammation and loss of tolerance. In general, all vaccination creates immune dysregulation and is responsible for a vast array of pathology. The Bordetella vaccine can wreak havoc outside the body as well. Bordetella will shed from a vaccinated host for seven weeks while Parainfluenza will shed for a week. This means that every vaccinated dog is a walking dispenser of potentially damaging bacteria.
While the risk to other dogs is obvious, it should be of little concern to healthy dogs because Bordetella is generally a self limiting disease. What you might find surprising is that the shed bacteria is a risk to other animals…and to people. The reason we now have a feline Bordetella (and not surprisingly, a feline Bordetella vaccine), is likely thanks to the widespread use and subsequent shedding of Bordetella from vaccinated dogs to cats sharing the household. If this seems hard to imagine, consider how dogs first fell victim to Canine Influenza.


Canine Influenza was initially documented in racing greyhounds. It is worth noting that many of these dogs shared tracks with race horses: race horses who are routinely vaccinated with Equine Influenza. It is not a stretch to predict Bordetella will infect gerbils, hamsters and rabbits in the near future and it is with certainty that the vaccine manufacturers will be well rewarded with the continued fruits of their canine Bordetella vaccine.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Britster

My dog has gotten kennel cough while 'protected' from the bordatella vaccine. Just like I have known many people who get the flu even after receiving the flu vaccine. It's a gamble. Not to mention, ever since I stopped getting the KC vaccine, he hasn't gotten KC.

Kennel cough, yes, can be annoying, but it's no worse than when a human gets a cold. Humans don't get vaccines to protect against the common cold, and that's essentially all KC is. A little bit of meds, and it was cleared up within a week for Jackson.

Did you read the link I posted about bordetella?

The thing was vaccines is ... this is not some new aged stuff people spout around forums. It's proven scientifically.

The problem is most places minus dog parks and pet stores require bordatella in order to let your dog be there. So if you want your dog groomed at a grooming salon they have to have the vaccine. I wish they had a vaccine for humans for a cold those things are miserable to me.

[Maximo]

I'm glad to hear Bailey is doing better after this ordeal. Vaccinations, even when spaced a couple of weeks apart, put me on edge, even with my big boys. We haven't had any reactions yet, but there is always that risk.

[simbasmom]

My boys get a steroid shot about 15 minutes before they get their vaccines. They used to act miserable the day after their shots walking around like it hurt with every step they took. But since I started getting them the steroid shots they've been much better.