Wireless Petfence collar

[MY OSCAR]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

That shock could very well kill a dog that small or really really mess there body up. I also think you should try the collar on you because you will not truly understand the pain. I highly doubt that on a board of people who love yorkies your going to find anyone who want to hurt one like with a shock collar.I feel so sad for this poor puppy. Why does everyone want to use pain to teach a dog something they are more likely to learn from positive training. Your electric fence is not going to keep your yorkie safe from everything else in the world that can come in. Do you know how many yorkies have been pray to large birds, bigger dogs, coyotes and even humans?

GREAT ADVICE !

[GeorgiesMomma]

You will not find anyone here (I hope) that uses a shock collar on their Yorkie. Most people here stress positive reinforcement training of which a shock collar is not. I hope you will check around on here and find alternatives to a shock collar. Georgie is 7 years old and wouldn't leave our side let alone the yard.

[navillusc]

Originally Posted by JimmyLove

I get all of the advice, I understand totally where you are coming from.

Do you? Because...it sure looks like you have already made up your mind what you intend to do to your precious little 2.7 lb Yorkie:

Originally Posted by JimmyLove

We are going to use the shock collar to teach boundaries. I have read on several web sites that once they learn it, you dont even need the collar anymore.
I am just unsure about the size of him and the use of it.
My question is if anyone has any experience with using one.....
thanks

If you read my previous post, you should already be aware that I have experience using a wireless fence, and still have the fence and collars. If you somehow missed my post, I believe it is still posted in your thread and available.

I have to wonder why you seem to be hoping for minds and opinions other than your own to change.

The wireless fence company engineers may be able to offer further advice, given you have made alterations, and intend to use their product, modified by you, on your 2.7 lb Yorkie.

[Britster]

I'm confused. Don't most of those collars state not for dogs under 10lbs anyways? I cannot imagine using it on my 16lb dog, let alone a 2.5lb dog!

I think electric/wireless fences have their place. I dogsit two Golden Retrievers, and they have a huge yard... the dogs are already very naturally inclined to stick by and I don't think they'd ever run, even without the fence. But the fence/collar is worn just for extra security. But again, they are big dogs, in a culdesac, nowhere near a main road.

[GeorgiesMomma]

Originally Posted by Britster

I'm confused. Don't most of those collars state not for dogs under 10lbs anyways? I cannot imagine using it on my 16lb dog, let alone a 2.5lb dog!

I think electric/wireless fences have their place. I dogsit two Golden Retrievers, and they have a huge yard... the dogs are already very naturally inclined to stick by and I don't think they'd ever run, even without the fence. But the fence/collar is worn just for extra security. But again, they are big dogs, in a culdesac, nowhere near a main road.

Agreed! If you have to adapt the device to fit it shouldn't be used. OP I hope you check here there are so many alternatives.

[navillusc]

By the way, some dogs are naturally attuned to territorial boundaries, others...not so much, and there are other ways to teach boundaries than with a wireless fence. Even a wireless fence, should you be dead set on using one anyway, requires a good amount of training that may be more difficult to get across to an adventuresome 4 month old Yorkie puppy than putting up a simple physical barrier. A wireless fence is not as simple to use properly as clipping on a collar and letting the dog outside into the 'protected' area. Perhaps you might want to see if you can download an instruction manual for your chosen wireless fence to see their recommendations.

A chain lock and some removable velcro'd screening across the opening at the bottom of the 'offending' door may work better to keep both small child and Yorkie puppy in the house and out of danger better than attempting to teach wireless fence boundaries in time to avoid a more serious mishap. Please do understand that there are many alternatives.

[MikaTallulah]

I have a PetSafe Wirless System and so do my parents. Works wonderfully for my Golden. He is a much softer personality than any of my 3 yorkies. It also worked wonderfully for my last golden, Lucky, as well. It is not recommended for dogs under 8 pounds original or 5 pounds for the Stay & play if memory serve me.

Your dog is way too small for this type of boundary system especially not for a puppy! Teach your kid not to open door without telling mommy/daddy! If they can let pup out than they are not safe themselves. Baby gates work wonders for yorkies and little kids! Put a hook at the top of the door so that your kid can't open the door. Unsupervised yorkie pup and little kid are a reciped for disaster! Keep the puppy in an X-pen or safe gated area if you can't watch them!

Cozy 10 pound yorkie will blow through the system is she feels her pups (Roxy and Lucy) are being threatened! Do to this she is never off leash in an unfenced area. She was trained to the system at 1 point but she blew through the system one day and almost got hit by a car because a Husky was growling and barking at the yorkies. The shock/correction level does not matter to her- Her instinct to protect is stronger for her. She gave birth to ten pups so a little zap means nothing to her.

[yorkieusa]

Why ask for advice and then ignore it?

[gracielove]

We have friends that tried the wireless fence on their Yellow Lab and he ran through it like it was nothing. But he is a big dog and very intent on running. I can't even imagine a little dog carrying such a device much less suffering the shock. It sounds like the OP wants to use this device rather than training their child or the dog. Problem is the wireless fence does require a lot of training along with the collar. The idea is that the dog learn it's boundaries. Supposedly they get a shock when they move too far into the outer area of the fence. They start by putting stakes into the ground that have a little flag on them so the owner can walk the dog around the boundary over and over as they teach the proper area to the dog. Obedience training comes in here. The shock it's self is supposed to be a reminder and not a total deterrent to leaving the area. If your dog is not obedience trained you are wasting your time and money on an electric fence. A dog that wants to run away will get out.
Since the OP will not even take the time to teach a young child about the dangers of opening the door without parental supervision I doubt they want to take the time to train their dog.
Putting a small lock latch up high on the door would solve the problem but the OP prefers to do this. I doubt that this would work even if they had a large or medium sized dog since they obviously got the device from someone else without all the material and instructions. If they had taken the time to read the information and study the work involved maybe they would not be considering such a solution.

[Yorkiesatwork]

I've been on the wrong side of a few issues before, so will just venture forth with this. The Poster was asking for input from folks that are using or have tried the 'electric fence'. Most of the posters have strong opinions, but have not said they have ever installed and used an underground fence. Technically, they don't qualify to post on this thread. First of all, the modern 'electric fence' is not a shock barrier. If you've ever had a 'tens machine' used on you by a chiropractor or physician, you would know it is a muscle stimulator electrode system that at appropriate levels relieves pain -- not creates pain.

To be sure, I wouldn't necessarily want to be 'Tens'd' around my neck at an intense level, but there really isn't any way for it to damage me physically.

I put in the underground fence, so I feel qualified to post. For my bigger and milder mannered Yorkie (9#), one correction at the lowest level is all it took. He wants nothing to do with the boundaries of the yard and is content to sit in his chair near the sidewalk. I trust him for (very) short periods of time outside in the sun while I clean house and do laundry.

My little guy (6#) is another story... He becomes enraged whenever anyone dares walk or run down the street in front of the house or if a neighbor's children begin to play in their own yard. It's as if he is possessed by demons! The fence people said that no dog has challenged the fence for any length of time. My subdivision does not allow fence structures in the front yard, and I don't really have a back yard. Sooo I put in the underground fence. He challenged the fence at increasing levels of correction! Although the fence stops him on three sides of the yard, he continues to run the fence when the neighbors two little boys try to play football in their own yard. I'm dismayed, but have not given up. What is my alternative? He does not train; cannot hear; does not respond to anything when he goes into his rage. I can only try to protect him and my neighbors with a barrier, and my best bet right now is the Underground fence. So please... if you've never tried the underground fence, take a step back for a few minutes; and if you HAVE tried it, whether it was a success or failure, we are interested in your personal experiences. thank you.

[Yorkiesatwork]

I've been on the wrong side of a few issues before, so will just venture forth with this. The Poster was asking for input from folks that are using or have tried the 'electric fence'. Most of the posters have strong opinions, but have not said they have ever installed and used an underground fence. Technically, they don't qualify to post on this thread. First of all, the modern 'electric fence' is not a shock barrier. If you've ever had a 'tens machine' used on you by a chiropractor or physician, you would know it is a muscle stimulator electrode system that at appropriate levels relieves pain -- not creates pain.

To be sure, I wouldn't necessarily want to be 'Tens'd' around my neck at an intense level, but there really isn't any way for it to damage me physically.

I put in the underground fence, so I feel qualified to post. For my bigger and milder mannered Yorkie (9#), one correction at the lowest level is all it took. He wants nothing to do with the boundaries of the yard and is content to sit in his chair near the sidewalk. I trust him for (very) short periods of time outside in the sun while I clean house and do laundry.

My little guy (6#) is another story... He becomes enraged whenever anyone dares walk or run down the street in front of the house or if a neighbor's children begin to play in their own yard. It's as if he is possessed by demons! The fence people said that no dog has challenged the fence for any length of time. My subdivision does not allow fence structures in the front yard, and I don't really have a back yard. Sooo I put in the underground fence. He challenged the fence at increasing levels of correction! Although the fence stops him on three sides of the yard, he continues to run the fence when the neighbors two little boys try to play football in their own yard. I'm dismayed, but have not given up. What is my alternative? He does not train; cannot hear; does not respond to anything when he goes into his rage. I can only try to protect him and my neighbors with a barrier, and my best bet right now is the Underground fence. So please... if you've never tried the underground fence, take a step back for a few minutes; and if you HAVE tried it, whether it was a success or failure, we are interested in your personal experiences. thank you.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesatwork

I've been on the wrong side of a few issues before, so will just venture forth with this. The Poster was asking for input from folks that are using or have tried the 'electric fence'. Most of the posters have strong opinions, but have not said they have ever installed and used an underground fence. Technically, they don't qualify to post on this thread. First of all, the modern 'electric fence' is not a shock barrier. If you've ever had a 'tens machine' used on you by a chiropractor or physician, you would know it is a muscle stimulator electrode system that at appropriate levels relieves pain -- not creates pain.

To be sure, I wouldn't necessarily want to be 'Tens'd' around my neck at an intense level, but there really isn't any way for it to damage me physically.

I put in the underground fence, so I feel qualified to post. For my bigger and milder mannered Yorkie (9#), one correction at the lowest level is all it took. He wants nothing to do with the boundaries of the yard and is content to sit in his chair near the sidewalk. I trust him for (very) short periods of time outside in the sun while I clean house and do laundry.

My little guy (6#) is another story... He becomes enraged whenever anyone dares walk or run down the street in front of the house or if a neighbor's children begin to play in their own yard. It's as if he is possessed by demons! The fence people said that no dog has challenged the fence for any length of time. My subdivision does not allow fence structures in the front yard, and I don't really have a back yard. Sooo I put in the underground fence. He challenged the fence at increasing levels of correction! Although the fence stops him on three sides of the yard, he continues to run the fence when the neighbors two little boys try to play football in their own yard. I'm dismayed, but have not given up. What is my alternative? He does not train; cannot hear; does not respond to anything when he goes into his rage. I can only try to protect him and my neighbors with a barrier, and my best bet right now is the Underground fence. So please... if you've never tried the underground fence, take a step back for a few minutes; and if you HAVE tried it, whether it was a success or failure, we are interested in your personal experiences. thank you.

If all of our posts where not allowed or should not be here a moderator would take care of it and sense I don't see that you are a moderator lets leave telling people what they can and cannot post to them. With out a real fence all small dogs and some medium size dogs are pray to other animals and people. My dad has also tried one of these collars on his neck and he said it did hurt and he is a tuff tuff guy. Shocking a under 3 pound puppy is going to be very bad for that puppy and to be honest if member on here didn't speak against it and just ignored it I would be disappointed in the members here because this very dangerous to do to a small puppy and this owner needs to know about that. If people don't care about the shock to the dog or about other animals turning them into dinner maybe they need to look at how many yorkies that are being stolen and its really easy for someone to pick up your dog take there collar off and then either use your dog as bait in dog fighting, sell to a random stranger who might take care of them or might not or sell them to a puppy mill and they will have a life or misery in a cage being breed for there rest of there life living hungry and in there own filth. I guess if you are willing to take all those risks it probably dosent matter if you dog is getting shocked and causing it pain and maybe damaging its body.

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

I would throw away the electric collar and fence in a small section of your property or walk him on a leash whenever you go out. An electric fence will not keep out predators like neighborhood dogs, coyotes or other animals that can hurt him. It's not worth risking your pup's life. Please don't use an electric collar/fence as a containment system.

exactly what I was going to say

[GeorgiesMomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesatwork

I've been on the wrong side of a few issues before, so will just venture forth with this. The Poster was asking for input from folks that are using or have tried the 'electric fence'. Most of the posters have strong opinions, but have not said they have ever installed and used an underground fence. Technically, they don't qualify to post on this thread. First of all, the modern 'electric fence' is not a shock barrier. If you've ever had a 'tens machine' used on you by a chiropractor or physician, you would know it is a muscle stimulator electrode system that at appropriate levels relieves pain -- not creates pain.
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To be sure, I wouldn't necessarily want to be 'Tens'd' around my neck at an intense level, but there really isn't any way for it to damage me physically.

I put in the underground fence, so I feel qualified to post. For my bigger and milder mannered Yorkie (9#), one correction at the lowest level is all it took. He wants nothing to do with the boundaries of the yard and is content to sit in his chair near the sidewalk. I trust him for (very) short periods of time outside in the sun while I clean house and do laundry.

My little guy (6#) is another story... He becomes enraged whenever anyone dares walk or run down the street in front of the house or if a neighbor's children begin to play in their own yard. It's as if he is possessed by demons! The fence people said that no dog has challenged the fence for any length of time. My subdivision does not allow fence structures in the front yard, and I don't really have a back yard. Sooo I put in the underground fence. He challenged the fence at increasing levels of correction! Although the fence stops him on three sides of the yard, he continues to run the fence when the neighbors two little boys try to play football in their own yard. I'm dismayed, but have not given up. What is my alternative? He does not train; cannot hear; does not respond to anything when he goes into his rage. I can only try to protect him and my neighbors with a barrier, and my best bet right now is the Underground fence. So please... if you've never tried the underground fence, take a step back for a few minutes; and if you HAVE tried it, whether it was a success or failure, we are interested in your personal experiences. thank you.

The OP specifically asked for our (the collective group of YT'ers) thoughts on using the electronic fence/collar. He was not specific to who was being asked. I gave just that my thoughts. I personally would never use it on a 3lb dog or 50lb dog and yes I qualify as I have had the pleasure to be owned by both I also have had a toddler so I can speak on that subject as well.

I feel with these qualifications I can post on this thread

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesatwork

I've been on the wrong side of a few issues before, so will just venture forth with this. The Poster was asking for input from folks that are using or have tried the 'electric fence'. Most of the posters have strong opinions, but have not said they have ever installed and used an underground fence. Technically, they don't qualify to post on this thread. First of all, the modern 'electric fence' is not a shock barrier. If you've ever had a 'tens machine' used on you by a chiropractor or physician, you would know it is a muscle stimulator electrode system that at appropriate levels relieves pain -- not creates pain.

To be sure, I wouldn't necessarily want to be 'Tens'd' around my neck at an intense level, but there really isn't any way for it to damage me physically.

I put in the underground fence, so I feel qualified to post. For my bigger and milder mannered Yorkie (9#), one correction at the lowest level is all it took. He wants nothing to do with the boundaries of the yard and is content to sit in his chair near the sidewalk. I trust him for (very) short periods of time outside in the sun while I clean house and do laundry.

My little guy (6#) is another story... He becomes enraged whenever anyone dares walk or run down the street in front of the house or if a neighbor's children begin to play in their own yard. It's as if he is possessed by demons! The fence people said that no dog has challenged the fence for any length of time. My subdivision does not allow fence structures in the front yard, and I don't really have a back yard. Sooo I put in the underground fence. He challenged the fence at increasing levels of correction! Although the fence stops him on three sides of the yard, he continues to run the fence when the neighbors two little boys try to play football in their own yard. I'm dismayed, but have not given up. What is my alternative? He does not train; cannot hear; does not respond to anything when he goes into his rage. I can only try to protect him and my neighbors with a barrier, and my best bet right now is the Underground fence. So please... if you've never tried the underground fence, take a step back for a few minutes; and if you HAVE tried it, whether it was a success or failure, we are interested in your personal experiences. thank you.

If you read the entire thread you will see that a few posters have stated that they HAVE used the electric fence on larger dogs...that's what these things are manufactored for...NOT a 2.5lb puppy! I personally have a fenced back yard with an iron gate...my pup can easily fit through the gate...she has gotten out twice.
She has been taught not to go out the gate...she is just 4mths old. You can train a pup what the boundaries are without shocking their poor little bodies.
I would NEVER use those things on my babies....I have three....they all KNOW mommy does not want them going through the gate.
I live on a side street with little activity, car wise....they could still be hit by a car, stolen, or taken by predators....to me unsupervised outside is a no no...I am always out there with them.
There is no danger of them getting out my front door as I use baby gates to contain them indoors. My house is Grand Central Station as I have 2 university bound boys...when they are home the neighbourhood knows and are constanly stopping by. Please reconsider this electric fence or whatever it is. You would be doing more harm that good...JMO