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07-01-2012, 08:27 PM | #1 |
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| Pedigree important? How important is the Pedigree? I had a previous Yorkie..pet quality no papers from a "Home Breeder" Loved that dog but it ended up with health problems and lost him ~7yrs of age. So I figured if I buy a dog from a breeder who tries to breed healthy show dogs and sells the ones that aren't to there "show standard" Is the chance of getting a healthy one better? The breeders I looked at test the females before breeding and put alot of effort in breeding to the standards. They breed for THEIR next Show Dog and not to sell for profit. Or am I just getting hung up on the Pedigree line??? Brings the Cost up. Just want a healthy happy dog. That will live a long happy life Last edited by ironmike86; 07-01-2012 at 08:29 PM. |
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07-01-2012, 09:22 PM | #2 |
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| I think you're on the right track. As long as you remember that there are no absolute guarantees in life. You can definitely increase your chances of getting a healthy dog by acquiring one from people who know the health and temperament of all his/her relatives.
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07-02-2012, 03:50 AM | #3 |
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| Thanks for the reply. Yes I figured a good breed test before and doesn't breed knowingly unhealthy dogs. |
07-02-2012, 04:04 AM | #4 |
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| DvlshAngel is right, you get no guarantees, but you greatly improve your odds by getting your pup from a very reputable breeder. Don't think about health only. Remember, a home raised pup who stays with mom longer (at least 12 weeks) can have a better temperament (bite inhibition, pad training etc.) than a cage raised baby. Best wishes in finding your baby.
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07-02-2012, 04:04 AM | #5 |
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| I agree, you up your chances considerably.
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07-02-2012, 05:00 AM | #6 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | The short answer is - yes, you have a better chance of getting a healthier yorkie from a breeder that tests her breeding stock and has good lines behind their pedigrees. Still yet, a good pedigree doesn't always mean a healthier dog. I do remember at one point there was speculation that a very popular show dog stud was responsible for bringing liver shunt into several lines. This dog appears in many yorkie pedigrees I've seen.
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07-02-2012, 05:58 AM | #9 |
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| Of course it is possible that this male was somewhat responsible, the rumor was everywhere and if it is the case I know she would have rather died than have it happen. She was so down to earth and would tell me the bad points of her dogs as well as the good, yet who knows how well she checked the many females that crossed her way?? She is deceased now so there will be no more lovely pups from this breeder.
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07-02-2012, 01:58 PM | #10 |
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| I know that some backyard breeders do care about their dogs but they usually do not know much if anything about genetics. Many of them do not even have a pedigree for their dogs and if they do they know precious little about it except that there may be some champions in the background. A "responsible" breeder would not only do testing but also be very aware of the line their dogs originated from and what the dogs have produced. A good breeder has proven males and females and knows pretty much what they will produce because they know what the past generations have done as well as what their line is producing. A pedigree is a lot more than just which dogs have been championed. A champion may look very nice but not be able to produce puppies as good as it's self. A good breeder keeps their puppies long enough to know which ones are pet quality, which ones may be breeding quality and which ones are possible show potential. When a breeder is very aware of their line and it's potential they are also much more capable of knowing the health prospects of the puppies they are producing. Just because a breeder shows dogs does not mean their dogs are healthy. As in any area of life there are always those who decide to take short cuts to get what they want. A pedigree would be a starting point. Talking to that breeder about their line will tell you a lot about how much time they have taken to research their pedigrees and learn the genetics involved in the line. That is why you will see some big differences in how much a breeder can charge for their puppies. If they have an established line of their own that has consistently produced dogs that are healthy and good representatives of the breed then they are several steps ahead of others that are just starting out. However, if a person who has only been breeding a few generations has done their homework and own stock from one of those established lines then they have some good standing also. The whole show dog world is complicated. I hate it when someone just advises a buyer to buy from a show/breeder. That is way too simplistic. Take your time and talk to several breeders and learn just by listening. If you get a bad vibe from someone move on. Get some of the breed publications that are out there. The more informed you are the less likely you are to walk into something that could bring a lot of heartbreak. |
07-02-2012, 05:56 PM | #11 |
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| gracielove I know showing dogs is a ....not what I thought. the small shows breeders pay to show. Some dogs loos so horrible the Judges don't bother looking at them seriously. You can tell in there face. The do touch them but...I believe some ppl show there dogs either are just clue less or want ot sell the pups and say the parents are "show dogs". I belive a good breeder will test there dogs and not breed unhealthy ones. But never know. Knowingly breeding unhealthy dogs goes against what they are suppose to believe in. I don't care about looks I just want health and personality. |
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Love how you feel about testing. Graceielove, this was to you didn't mean to pop in first but I will be gone all day today.
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07-03-2012, 03:16 AM | #13 |
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| The breeder we are talking about here did it all right as far as I'm concerned. She was at the top of her game and well respected by 99% of of her peers. Always ready to help new people in the breed and helped me learn grooming at the shows when I first met her. She later came out with a grooming video that the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America ended up selling and it sold like hot cakes. She was a member and followed the rules of ethics or certainly would not have been elected an officer in the club so many times. This little male sired 99 champions and lived a very long healthy life so she knew what she was doing and you could pick out her line anywhere you were without really knowing it was her's. There was some jealousy but not much, however it only takes one person to start gossip and when it is about such a hot topic as LS it would travel fast. Since her dogs were in so many lines I also can understand how people might come to that conclusion, yet to do so many things right and have it end this way would be sad. The breeder is now deceased.
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07-03-2012, 04:26 AM | #15 |
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| I would never want anyone to think I am against show/breeders. I'm just pointing out that it is not a perfect world and that people need to be informed. We depend on people to produce quality purebred dogs that are fit physically as well as how they conform to the standard. I personally just do not like the large scale production of any breed though I do realize how these things can happen. |
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