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Old 12-29-2011, 07:29 PM   #1
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Default New Yorkie New Carpet - Another Question

O.K., I posted this question about 2 weeks ago. I am having TERRIBLE problems with my new apt., new carpet outgassing odor. I have not been able to get my Beanie because of it - not to mention the fact that I AM SICK.

I have done a TON of research since then. I can "seal" the carpet - doesn't make sense because that lays down more chemicals, I can use this stuff called Zeolite, but that is only a band aid, or I can buy this REALLY expensive air purifier called Austin Air Healthmate Plus. It costs almost $700 but I found one on Amazon for around $450.

It SAYS that it captures and gets rid of outgassing carpets and all kinds of other odors and CRAP that is in my new place, including the CRAP that is coming out of the baseboard heating. It is used by the military to get rid of really bad chemicals, and it is used in hospitals, etc. There is no ozone that is emitted, which apparently ozone is really bad.

My question is, have any of you guys heard of this air purifier and if so, does it work? I don't care if I have to spend the money, I NEED to make my house non-toxic. I am more worried about the dog than me, but I also realize that is pretty stupid, because I HAVE TO BE HEALTHY to take care of her and I can't GET her until that happens.

I am really sensitive to chemicals, etc., but I have NEVER experienced what I am dealing with. I moved here because I THOUGHT it was so much better and more condusive for having my dog, but now I am dealing with all this CRAP (I totally cleaned the word up) and I am feeling so guilty that I made the wrong decision

I feel like I am in the freakin Twilight Zone of toxicity and I can't get away from it and can't get my baby who is just getting older and older. Thank God, the breeder is willing to keep her until I can figure it all out. BUT I WANT MY DOG.

Any help, opinions, rah rah stuff again, will be MUCH appreciated. Thanks, Susan
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Go to Home Depot and buy a Honeywell True Hepa for $158:

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202184299&l angId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=202184299&ci_kw={keyword} &cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-202184299&ci_gpa=pla&locStoreNum=466

The ones stocked in store are usually white. I used this when I lived in a really old house and it works wonders. True Hepa is recommended by all of the allergy associations. Other air cleaners usually rely on ozone something or other that is controversial and causes some people to have headaches.
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I understand you just moved to this place, but it sounds bad enough to consider breaking the lease and finding another home for your own health, and your pup's.

You could probably get out of the lease for free based on the conditions.
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I dont have anything to offer, but I did live in the Boston area for many years. You havent mentioned anything about landlord involvement and this is definately his/her/their responsibility. If the landlord isnt cooperating, you might want to touch base with the local housing authority or even the Department of Health if necessary. Nobody should have to live the way you are living and there are laws in place to protect you.
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Usually outgassing will subside and stop after time. I've heard that heat can speed up the outgassing to some extent. Maybe a good steam clean on the carpet could help?
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:20 AM   #6
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A few of you posted about talking to the landlord. The problem is, the landlords are friends of mine and they thought they were doing me this huge favor by replacing all the old carpet and putting new "fresh" carpet down. They also thought it would be better for the dog to be on new carpet. THEY can't even smell the new carpet, nor the crap coming out of the heat because I have already talked to them about it. They are actually really upset about the fact that it is bothering me, but there isn't anything that can be done, short of ripping up the carpet. But then SOMETHING has to be put down on the floor. And they don't have the money to put the really expensive "green" carpet down, nor do I have any more money left to do it, or lay some kind of flooring. Which presents its own problems with glue, etc.

I think once I have the baseboard filter grates professionally cleaned on the 10th, that will make a big difference as to what is being blown out by the heat. It is actually getting better the more the heat is on, but there is still so much gunk in the grates. So, maybe THAT problem will be solved.

And yes, I have actually had the carpet steam cleaned, which removed the stupid Scotch Guard that was put on it, but not the smell.

A lot of people that have come into my house don't smell anything. A few of my friends (who are extremely sensitive - like me) smell everything the minute they walk in.

Also, moving again just isn't an option. I have already spent a TON of money to move, on furniture, etc., etc., etc. So, my only option is to find a way to remove the chemicals and irritants until the warmer weather when I can open the windows. I have read the carpet outgassing DOES go away, but can take up to 3 months and the smell (for those of us who CAN smell it) can last even longer.

I moved from a very old family home that had its own set of problems - mold from roof leaks, a person on the first floor smoking inside occassionally, mice in the walls and 4 cats on the 1st floor (talk about a smell). Hence my decision to move, especially after I decided to finally get my Yorkie. I tried to gear my decision to being the best for the dog, particularly since my friends are home all day and can check on her when I am at work. My friend's husband asks me every day when she is coming and I have to keep saying I can't get her until I clear out the fumes in the house. Which, of course, he can't even smell. If I had known that I was moving BEFORE I decided on the dog, I would have waited till the spring time, and bought a dog from a different litter and I wouldn't be having these issues because the windows would be open.

Sorry for the long posts, but I figure this is the best place to "vent" and get ideas as to how to make my house safe. Thanks for the link to the air filter. I am going to call a few other allergy type places around the country and see if they have any other suggestions. If I can get the "right" air purifier and run it for a couple of weeks, I think I will be o.k. and then I can get the dog. I won't get her until I feel healthy inside the house. I would never forgive myself if I got her too soon and something happened to her. Plus the breeder absolutely will not send her to me until I tell her that my house is o.k., and I am not going to lie just because I so want my dog.

Thanks again all.


P.S., my friend told me that this picture of her looks like she is sad because she can't come and live with me yet.
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the carpet should be fine in a few weeks. However im curious as to why anyone would choose carpet for a new pet. I would have went with laminate. No glue involved with that whatsoever. But it probably is too late for that anyways.

That being said, the carpet WILL outgass and the cleaning will help. Also Im curious as to what you mean by crap coming out of the baseboard ? That makes me think of hot water or electric baseboard heating. What I think you have would probably be forced air? If t is forced air and you are that sensetive I would get it professionally cleaned. and the furnace air filters replaced. I believe you can even get filters for the vents themselves if that could help

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Hi, you know, I didn't even THINK of the carpet being a problem when we discussed replacing the old one. Plus, the noise factor of me walking around right over them downstairs made laying down carpet make more sense. It is a prefab house, so it isn't built really sturdy and sound proof like the older house that I lived in.

Yes, it is forced hot water heat that comes out of the baseboards. The stuff that is coming out is all the tiny carpet threads and wallpaper debris, along with DIRT. I don't think the grates were ever cleaned.

I did not know that one could buy actually filters for the baseboards. I would imagine that Home Depot or Lowes or some such store would sell that type of product. Once I get the grates or fins as they are called, cleaned, I will look into the filters. Thanks!!
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Im not familiar with forced hot water heat. So there is an actual baseboard heater along the wall. and not just a vent in the floor?
After I renovated my place the dust that came out of my forced air ducts was pretty intense! drywall dust, sawdust, grout/tile dust. Forced air seems to blow everything around the house
I found one type of filter here:
DustChek Vent Liner Filtration Kit | National Allergy
Ive never used anything like this but I have heard about them. Its worth a try if your having health problems related to the dust and it is a low cost option. Worth a try before you shell out big bucks for an air purifier
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ps if its forced air you should be able to just pull the grates out of the floor and give them a quick vacuum inside! It wont be as good as a professional cleaning but it will be better than nothing
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Oh Thanks, I will definitely check that filter out. Yes, I have baseboard heating. LONG baseboards and lots of them. It IS forced hot air, but it is done by water.

I tried getting the tops off, they are painted shut and I don't want to screw around with them. I figure the professional guys can do it better than me. In my old house, you COULD remove the sides of the baseboards and clean them that way. All I can do in this house is spray that canned air into them, which got some stuff out. But then, I had the freakin canned air smell coming out. Martha Stewart/handi chick type, I am so not.

After you rennovated, did all the dust and stuff finally STOP coming out? I just don't have months to wait for all that to subside. I need it out really soon, hence calling in the professional guy.
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a professional cleaning is the only way to get all the dust/dirt/whatever else is in there out.
Im not familiar with forced air hot water heating myself but id recommend to clean the vents then get the carpets shampooed and extracted (thats what they do when you call someone in).
Id also mention about your sensitivity to smells when you call in to make sure they don't use some sort of over powering cleaner.

There are a LOT of people with sensitivities like you have, im sure if you call a reputable company and explain what you want done that it can be done and will speed up your process of riding the house of that smell.
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