Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3751987)

I think there is a misunderstanding. We don't hate mixed breeds or mutts, how could anyone? We love them. It's the breeders who breed them for money that we don't support. Sometimes accidents happen, and a mixed litter is born. But for a breeder to do it again and again and call them designer dogs is a big problem for many here.

Congrats on the new baby. We'd love to see pics.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3751993)

I would never belittle someone for loving and caring for a dog. There's no difference between the fanciest show dog and a dog found at the local pound. They both have needs and both should have wonderful loving homes. In all my time here at Yorkietalk, I’ve never read of someone putting a dog down because they were a mutt or they didn't fit breed standard and your post seems to suggest that’s common. What you don't seem to understand, is that there is a difference between the breeders who breed the mutt and the purebred. One is doing it for the money and the other hopefully has studied the breed and is doing it because they want to improve the breed. Granted, you find lousy breeders breeding purebreds, but you won’t find any great breeders breeding crosses. You can't predict how a crossbreed will behave or look like as an adult, and so many, wind up at the pound. That is MY problem with people buying crosses from breeders. Morkies, may either look like a Yorkie or they can look like a Maltese, or anything in between, but because both breeds have many of the same illnesses, crossbreeding them doesn’t help you eliminate these diseases, in fact, because these breeders don’t check for problems, you may be increasing the chances. Many breeders breed crosses because they don’t have the breeding rights to their adult dogs, so they breed crosses, because they can’t be registered with the AKC anyway, and they just say, “parents were registered.” This is the same thing as buying stolen property, you are helping a thief. The very least you should do, is look at the breeders registration papers of the adults and see that it was on OPEN registration, not limited.

If you want a mixed breed, I suggest you look at breed rescues and even your local pound, many local pounds have websites and you can see what animals are available online. Of course, your free to do whatever you like, and reward a bad breeder with money, it's your choice, but I do have a problem with you seemingly encouraging others to do this as well, and your cavalier attitude about not caring about the breed in general, and where it's headed. If any of you have ever gone to the pound and seen the dogs that probably have less than a week to live, if someone doesn't adopt them, you'll know where I'm coming from. It's not a place of hate; it's a place of sadness for these dogs. I've adopted dogs all my life and Joey's the only dog I got as a puppy from a breeder, but I found a breeder who was really breeding for the right reasons, and not just to make a buck.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3751993)

I would never belittle someone for loving and caring for a dog. There's no difference between the fanciest show dog and a dog found at the local pound. They both have needs and both should have wonderful loving homes. In all my time here at Yorkietalk, I’ve never read of someone putting a dog down because they were a mutt or they didn't fit breed standard and your post seems to suggest that’s common. What you don't seem to understand, is that there is a difference between the breeders who breed the mutt and the purebred. One is doing it for the money and the other hopefully has studied the breed and is doing it because they want to improve the breed. Granted, you find lousy breeders breeding purebreds, but you won’t find any great breeders breeding crosses. You can't predict how a crossbreed will behave or look like as an adult, and so many, wind up at the pound. That is MY problem with people buying crosses from breeders. Morkies, may either look like a Yorkie or they can look like a Maltese, or anything in between, but because both breeds have many of the same illnesses, crossbreeding them doesn’t help you eliminate these diseases, in fact, because these breeders don’t check for problems, you may be increasing the chances. Many breeders breed crosses because they don’t have the breeding rights to their adult dogs, so they breed crosses, because they can’t be registered with the AKC anyway, and they just say, “parents were registered.” This is the same thing as buying stolen property, you are helping a thief. The very least you should do, is look at the breeders registration papers of the adults and see that it was on OPEN registration, not limited.

If you want a mixed breed, I suggest you look at breed rescues and even your local pound, many local pounds have websites and you can see what animals are available online. Of course, your free to do whatever you like, and reward a bad breeder with money, it's your choice, but I do have a problem with you seemingly encouraging others to do this as well, and your cavalier attitude about not caring about the breed in general, and where it's headed. If any of you have ever gone to the pound and seen the dogs that probably have less than a week to live, if someone doesn't adopt them, you'll know where I'm coming from. It's not a place of hate; it's a place of sadness for these dogs. I've adopted dogs all my life and Joey's the only dog I got as a puppy from a breeder, but I found a breeder who was really breeding for the right reasons, and not just to make a buck.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3751993)

I would never belittle someone for loving and caring for a dog. There's no difference between the fanciest show dog and a dog found at the local pound. They both have needs and both should have wonderful loving homes. In all my time here at Yorkietalk, I’ve never read of someone putting a dog down because they were a mutt or they didn't fit breed standard and your post seems to suggest that’s common. What you don't seem to understand, is that there is a difference between the breeders who breed the mutt and the purebred. One is doing it for the money and the other hopefully has studied the breed and is doing it because they want to improve the breed. Granted, you find lousy breeders breeding purebreds, but you won’t find any great breeders breeding crosses. You can't predict how a crossbreed will behave or look like as an adult, and so many, wind up at the pound. That is MY problem with people buying crosses from breeders. Morkies, may either look like a Yorkie or they can look like a Maltese, or anything in between, but because both breeds have many of the same illnesses, crossbreeding them doesn’t help you eliminate these diseases, in fact, because these breeders don’t check for problems, you may be increasing the chances. Many breeders breed crosses because they don’t have the breeding rights to their adult dogs, so they breed crosses, because they can’t be registered with the AKC anyway, and they just say, “parents were registered.” This is the same thing as buying stolen property, you are helping a thief. The very least you should do, is look at the breeders registration papers of the adults and see that it was on OPEN registration, not limited.

If you want a mixed breed, I suggest you look at breed rescues and even your local pound, many local pounds have websites and you can see what animals are available online. Of course, your free to do whatever you like, and reward a bad breeder with money, it's your choice, but I do have a problem with you seemingly encouraging others to do this as well, and your cavalier attitude about not caring about the breed in general, and where it's headed. If any of you have ever gone to the pound and seen the dogs that probably have less than a week to live, if someone doesn't adopt them, you'll know where I'm coming from. It's not a place of hate; it's a place of sadness for these dogs. I've adopted dogs all my life and Joey's the only dog I got as a puppy from a breeder, but I found a breeder who was really breeding for the right reasons, and not just to make a buck.

Originally Posted by KendraE (Post 3752050)

I agree with you on MANY levels. I thought a long time about a rescue. I looked at SEVERAL...but at the end of the day we decided on this pup. I am not going to go into a great deal of detail defending breeders who breed mixes. I know there are so many bad ones out there. This particular breeder I have visited with for months now. I have been to her home to basically be nosey and see what kind of "operation" she is actually running. I honestly like her. The daddy of this pup is an AKC parti yorkie. He is a beauty. The mother is also registered with AKC. Although, I realize there are a lot of people who disapprove of mixing it up, there is an equal number of people who like the mixes. Our little 3/4 yorkie, 1/4 shih tzu is a precious little girl. She is unique and I love that. I actually was waiting for a litter that was born last week of purebred AKC parti yorkies. We wanted a male. There was one beautiful male born, but he is almost identical to this morkie. I decided to take the morkie, just to have something a little different. I apologize if you think I dont care about the breed. I LOVE the breed. But, When we bring home our new little man, I want to share him with you and everyone else. I basically wanted to let everyone know what I was getting ...and yes, there will be those who frown upon it. But, I have to trust my own judgment.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3751993)

I would never belittle someone for loving and caring for a dog. There's no difference between the fanciest show dog and a dog found at the local pound. They both have needs and both should have wonderful loving homes. In all my time here at Yorkietalk, I’ve never read of someone putting a dog down because they were a mutt or they didn't fit breed standard and your post seems to suggest that’s common. What you don't seem to understand, is that there is a difference between the breeders who breed the mutt and the purebred. One is doing it for the money and the other hopefully has studied the breed and is doing it because they want to improve the breed. Granted, you find lousy breeders breeding purebreds, but you won’t find any great breeders breeding crosses. You can't predict how a crossbreed will behave or look like as an adult, and so many, wind up at the pound. That is MY problem with people buying crosses from breeders. Morkies, may either look like a Yorkie or they can look like a Maltese, or anything in between, but because both breeds have many of the same illnesses, crossbreeding them doesn’t help you eliminate these diseases, in fact, because these breeders don’t check for problems, you may be increasing the chances. Many breeders breed crosses because they don’t have the breeding rights to their adult dogs, so they breed crosses, because they can’t be registered with the AKC anyway, and they just say, “parents were registered.” This is the same thing as buying stolen property, you are helping a thief. The very least you should do, is look at the breeders registration papers of the adults and see that it was on OPEN registration, not limited.

If you want a mixed breed, I suggest you look at breed rescues and even your local pound, many local pounds have websites and you can see what animals are available online. Of course, your free to do whatever you like, and reward a bad breeder with money, it's your choice, but I do have a problem with you seemingly encouraging others to do this as well, and your cavalier attitude about not caring about the breed in general, and where it's headed. If any of you have ever gone to the pound and seen the dogs that probably have less than a week to live, if someone doesn't adopt them, you'll know where I'm coming from. It's not a place of hate; it's a place of sadness for these dogs. I've adopted dogs all my life and Joey's the only dog I got as a puppy from a breeder, but I found a breeder who was really breeding for the right reasons, and not just to make a buck.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3752466)

Kendra I thought your initial post of announcing a much loved and anticipated new pup was a bit "in your face" to the community here.

And in another subsequent early post "thanking those folks who bit their lips and kept their mouths shut"

I've yet to come across a post of anyone here belittling a member new or old for purchasing a cross-breed dog, aka a "mutt".

I believe that breeders be they purebred breeders, show breeders, mutt breeders, should be breeding healthy dogs, and do their utmost to insure this happens. That means to the best of your ability knowing the health problems in the lines you are breeding, doing all breed and if you are breeding "cross breeds" all the health tests on the breeding dam and sire and all the breed specific genetic and other tests available to help a breeder determine if there breeding pair is free of "x" y" or z".

Of course many, many of the aforementioned breeders do none of this. Show breeders are the most likely group to do those tests. The others are not in breeding for the betterment of the breed, what breed exactly is a mutt? Where are the breed standards for these "designer dogs". Nowhere to be found at all. Are Morkies bred to Morkies to improve and try to develop a "new breed" of dog" How many of those named designer breed dogs, just taking two "pure breds" and breeding them together willy nilly to get on the money bandwagon?

So who exactly did you support when you bought a designer dog? One who does everything possible to insure the health of the pups. Did the Parti Yorkie or Full Yorkie have at least a CHIC number, did the Maltese as well? What are the health concerns in each of their lines? Do you know? Does the breeder know?

I for one do not believe that this community belittles anyone for owing or loving a mixed breed dog, and I am saddened that you perceive it so.

Good luck and long love and enjoyment of your newest addition

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3752466)

Kendra I thought your initial post of announcing a much loved and anticipated new pup was a bit "in your face" to the community here.

And in another subsequent early post "thanking those folks who bit their lips and kept their mouths shut"

I've yet to come across a post of anyone here belittling a member new or old for purchasing a cross-breed dog, aka a "mutt".

I believe that breeders be they purebred breeders, show breeders, mutt breeders, should be breeding healthy dogs, and do their utmost to insure this happens. That means to the best of your ability knowing the health problems in the lines you are breeding, doing all breed and if you are breeding "cross breeds" all the health tests on the breeding dam and sire and all the breed specific genetic and other tests available to help a breeder determine if there breeding pair is free of "x" y" or z".

Of course many, many of the aforementioned breeders do none of this. Show breeders are the most likely group to do those tests. The others are not in breeding for the betterment of the breed, what breed exactly is a mutt? Where are the breed standards for these "designer dogs". Nowhere to be found at all. Are Morkies bred to Morkies to improve and try to develop a "new breed" of dog" How many of those named designer breed dogs, just taking two "pure breds" and breeding them together willy nilly to get on the money bandwagon?

So who exactly did you support when you bought a designer dog? One who does everything possible to insure the health of the pups. Did the Parti Yorkie or Full Yorkie have at least a CHIC number, did the Maltese as well? What are the health concerns in each of their lines? Do you know? Does the breeder know?

I for one do not believe that this community belittles anyone for owing or loving a mixed breed dog, and I am saddened that you perceive it so.

Good luck and long love and enjoyment of your newest addition