Why 12 Weeks?

[SWHouston]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemomma78

So lets teach those people how to properly care for that puppy and keep it strong and healthy.
Being hostile just makes people not want to come back,they leave without the info they needed,and what good is that to the puppy??

I couldn't agree with you more !
Also, I think "we" as tenured owners, may forget how difficult it is to wait for one's first Pup. It'd be pretty easy to shave a week or two off of the proper period under those circumstances, not having read here how it's going to be taken.

I think I can justly say... Passion is replete on this Forum.

[Yorkiemomma78]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

This has been on of my biggest gripes about comments on YT.

This is my only complaint with YT too (other than that,I love it!! ).It applies to everything.
Sometimes newbies have questions about breeding too,and alot of the time they are met with "dont be irresponsable and spay your dog!!" or "leave it to the pros!!"
I mean,we are all adults here,I dont think anyone apreciates being lectured as if they were a bratty child no matter what the subject :/ Being patronising just pushes people away,it doesnt make them listen.

People want information,not a smack on the hand.I just think it´s more helpful to the puppy or dog they are caring for *shrugs*

[Yorkiemomma78]

Originally Posted by SWHouston

I think I can justly say... Passion is replete on this Forum.

Deffinately

[Lovetodream88]

I think people take typed words out of the context they are said in sometimes. Just mentioning for the future that there pup should not be taken home until 12 weeks or explain why there pup has a problem with biting when they where taken home to early is not lecturing. I think sometimes people see what they don't want to hear and automatically think its a lecture. As far as breeding goes many of the people who come on this board asking about breeding when they are asking questions they should already know answers to if they did the research they should have done before hand sometimes includes a lecture. If we congratulated and supported everyone who came on here wanting to breed it would one be like smacking the good breeders who put a lot in to it in the face and two it would really play heck with our breed that everyone on here loves so much. In the US we have a serious dog overpopulation and puppymills are in massive qualities as well as there are so many people out there breeding dogs that don't even resemble a yorkie. The YTCA has put a lot into research in all they require and I know that this is only for America but do the other country's have breed clubs and do they put research into what is best for the dog? If they don't why not share what our club has done? Don't we all want what is best for our breed and the dogs in general?

[Yorkiemomma78]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Just mentioning for the future that there pup should not be taken home until 12 weeks or explain why there pup has a problem with biting when they where taken home to early is not lecturing. I think sometimes people see what they don't want to hear and automatically think its a lecture.

It cerainly is lecturing if its said over and over and over in every post after the OP along with snotty comments about how only wonderful and fantastic breeders keep their puppys until 12 weeks etc.I personally consider my breeder to be fantastic,she gave me great garantees (3 year genetic),I got to visit the pups when ever I wanted right from the start and she researched ME! So,looking down on the rest of the world just because things are done slightly differently is not ok,and all that lecturing is not what the OP is usually asking for,you arent helping
It´s not about people getting upset because they are seeing what they dont want to hear,it´s about getting a bunch of criticism when all you asked is a simple question about your puppy.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

As far as breeding goes many of the people who come on this board asking about breeding when they are asking questions they should already know answers to if they did the research they should have done before hand sometimes includes a lecture. If we congratulated and supported everyone who came on here wanting to breed it would one be like smacking the good breeders who put a lot in to it in the face and two it would really play heck with our breed that everyone on here loves so much.

All serious breeders started somewhere.There was always that first litter and those first questions.This is a forum,people will ask questions...how can you (in general) nags someone for using this forum for its actual perpose? To EDUCATE
You cant lunge at someone who is asking questins and lash out with - "these are things you should know!!"...are you telling me that reputable yorkie breeders are born with all that knowledge?
Why cant there be new reputable breeders? Just because you dont want to give someone the info they are asking for because you think they should automatically know it all,it doesnt mean they wont do it anyway..so isnt it better to make sure they have all the info instead of denying them of the knowledge they´ll need?
Everyone,even the most wonderful and respectable breeders,started somewhere People come in here to do their research,that´s what they are actually doing when they ask you (in general) the questions you get angry at them for asking

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

In the US we have a serious dog overpopulation and puppymills are in massive qualities as well as there are so many people out there breeding dogs that don't even resemble a yorkie.

I understand that,and it´s awful

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The YTCA has put a lot into research in all they require and I know that this is only for America but do the other country's have breed clubs and do they put research into what is best for the dog? If they don't why not share what our club has done? Don't we all want what is best for our breed and the dogs in general?

Of course..I think we all are here because we love our yorkies to death and because we want to know all there is to know about the breed in order to give them the best care we can possibly give them - ALL of us.
I just dont believe in giving someone the cold shoulder or being hostile just because they are from a place that hasnt followed the YTCA word for word.I cant find it in me to hijack someones thread and ask over and over again WHY they have their puppy so soon or how it´s not their buisness to be thinking of breeding etc etc.
I awnser their questions and hope they´ll stick around to learn more If they stay,they might learn (all by themselfs) that certain things are not such a good idea,but if you p*ss them off and make them leave,they learn nothing

[Yorkiedaze]

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

All I am going to say on this is I personally do not send my pups to their new homes before 12 weeks of age regardless of whether the person is an experienced Yorkie person or not.
I like to make sure my pups have at the very least had 2 sets of shots, are pad trained, have their teeth in order to eat dry kibble. And for me the bite inhibition and other stuff you pointed out is not a cop out. Besides for me I show my Yorkies so unless I know without a doubt that some are going to be pets they stay with me til at the very least 6 months.

And I wouldn't BUY a Yorkie unless it was from a breeder like you!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemomma78

It cerainly is lecturing if its said over and over and over in every post after the OP along with snotty comments about how only wonderful and fantastic breeders keep their puppys until 12 weeks etc.I personally consider my breeder to be fantastic,she gave me great garantees (3 year genetic),I got to visit the pups when ever I wanted right from the start and she researched ME! So,looking down on the rest of the world just because things are done slightly differently is not ok,and all that lecturing is not what the OP is usually asking for,you arent helping
It´s not about people getting upset because they are seeing what they dont want to hear,it´s about getting a bunch of criticism when all you asked is a simple question about your puppy.




All serious breeders started somewhere.There was always that first litter and those first questions.This is a forum,people will ask questions...how can you (in general) nags someone for using this forum for its actual perpose? To EDUCATE
You cant lunge at someone who is asking questins and lash out with - "these are things you should know!!"...are you telling me that reputable yorkie breeders are born with all that knowledge?
Why cant there be new reputable breeders? Just because you dont want to give someone the info they are asking for because you think they should automatically know it all,it doesnt mean they wont do it anyway..so isnt it better to make sure they have all the info instead of denying them of the knowledge they´ll need?
Everyone,even the most wonderful and respectable breeders,started somewhere People come in here to do their research,that´s what they are actually doing when they ask you (in general) the questions you get angry at them for asking



I understand that,and it´s awful



Of course..I think we all are here because we love our yorkies to death and because we want to know all there is to know about the breed in order to give them the best care we can possibly give them - ALL of us.
I just dont believe in giving someone the cold shoulder or being hostile just because they are from a place that hasnt followed the YTCA word for word.I cant find it in me to hijack someones thread and ask over and over again WHY they have their puppy so soon or how it´s not their buisness to be thinking of breeding etc etc.
I awnser their questions and hope they´ll stick around to learn more If they stay,they might learn (all by themselfs) that certain things are not such a good idea,but if you p*ss them off and make them leave,they learn nothing

Repeating things is not lecturing it is making sure everyone knows and is educated about things a lot of posters only read there posts. Things are different here then in the country you live. Good breeders hear follow the YTCA. Also when some one asks why there puppy is biting and wants to know how to stop it. If they mention getting the pup at 8 weeks that is why the pup has a biting problem so it is answering there question and then I give advise of how I stopped my pup from doing it. Most people here give the advise as well as education it most of is done nicely but people take typed words out of context. Every first time breeder should have mentor and the mentor should be able to answer all there questions as well as recomend some books. I understand certain questions but you should not come here to be told how to breed on this board because then EVERYONE will do it when already to many are doing it. I get helping them when its been done and there dog is going to be in trouble but when they haven't done it yet they should be educated as far as risks and everything else its not all sunshine and roses. Other people who you meet on a post board should not be telling you how to breed a mentor should who has done it before and let you see some whelps, vets should do it and experts/vets who have written many books on it should. You absolutely can not just get to dogs together and breed its the reason here we have so many unwanted dogs, sick dogs, and nonstandard dogs. You see anger in my words but you don't know that is the context it is said in you also have not been around the board long enough to see what happens when people don't know what there doing and get two dogs together and get into trouble. You also have not been around long enough to know how many sick pups we have seen younger then 12 weeks and many have died. You can do things your way and others will do there things the way they want to I believe you even said that. You can see my words one way when six other people can see them different ways. I do not want people to go through what I have with a dog who although is my life and I love more then anything go through all the problems my dog has had because of a puppy mill/ bad breeder. I don't want to see this dogs suffer anymore for things that can be avoided if the breeders where just better and cared more. The only way to stop these breeders is to educate people and stop buying from them.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Puppies: What to Expect the First Year

On the above-linked Doctors Foster and Smith website, the page about what to expect during a puppy's first year is interesting in that it particularly advises that pups be kept from much in the way of new and stressful situations such as travel or even unnecessary grooming. It goes on to say that by the 12th week the pups confidence was greater and his brain at a better learning stage. If they would recommend against even groomng, I would think leaving his comfortable birth home, his mother and siblings, the breeder who he has known all his life and going to a totally new home situation with new, strange people and sometimes other animals and even children would be far more stressful and difficult for a puppy than a grooming session. Read the below information and it lets you know how difficult this age is for making changes to a young dog's life.

7 - 9 weeks of age
By the seventh week, your puppy's senses have more fully developed and he continues to willfully investigate any new addition to his environment. After weeks of interaction with his littermates and the introduction of people into your pup's world, he has begun to develop a sense of how he should behave during interaction with others.

Sometime between seven and nine weeks of age, your puppy's attitude towards his environment seems to completely reverse. Unlike previous weeks, your pup now tends to be very cautious of everything and is increasingly fearful of both sounds and movements - especially when each is sudden and/or loud. This fear may even include activities he previously handled with ease, such as entering and exiting his crate or playing with a small toy. Because of your pup's new attitude, it is best to avoid traumatic, frightening, or painful situations during this time, including unnecessary surgery, travel, or even grooming. If visits to the veterinarian are necessary, ensure the utmost caution, gentle handling, and constant reassurance are continually offered to ease later visits. By about 12 weeks, your puppy should re-gain his former confidence. In addition, your pup's brain is now at the stage where he is ready to begin learning his name, basic commands (sit, stay, down, etc.), housebreaking, and leash training. Maybe the best news, however, is that your pup also has increased bladder control and the ability to sleep completely through the night.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I do not want people to go through what I have with a dog who although is my life and I love more then anything go through all the problems my dog has had because of a puppy mill/ bad breeder.

So you don't practice what you preach?

Didn't you research your breeder??? Didn't you buy from a breeder that does all the recommended health testing? Didn't your breeder breed to standard & for the betterment of the breed? Didn't you sign a fair contract that protected both you and the breeder in the event of any genetic/congenital problems?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

So you don't practice what you preach?

Didn't you research your breeder??? Didn't you buy from a breeder that does all the recommended health testing? Didn't your breeder breed to standard & for the betterment of the breed? Didn't you sign a fair contract that protected both you and the breeder in the event of any genetic/congenital problems?

I didn't know about that stuff when I got her like many people who come to this board that I try to educate about bad breeders. You and many people know that about Callie though so I am guessing you were being sarcastic.

[Candy5198]

We brought our puppy home the day he turned 6 weeks... I have to admit I was a nervous wreck... Between making sure he ate enough, waking several times a night to bring him out, worrying my kids would squish him... It was worse than when my kids were born! We made it though after just one day he was romping around making himself at home. I would not have gotten a dog more than 8 weeks. I think it's really an advantage to have gotten him so young. He is 13. Weeks now and is completely kennel trained. 100% spoiled And it's been a joy to watch him grow and change each day. I think as long as the puppy parent is diligent and available to give round the clock care there is no reason that a young puppy can't thrive and learn with out their mom.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

So you don't practice what you preach?

Didn't you research your breeder??? Didn't you buy from a breeder that does all the recommended health testing? Didn't your breeder breed to standard & for the betterment of the breed? Didn't you sign a fair contract that protected both you and the breeder in the event of any genetic/congenital problems?

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I didn't know about that stuff when I got her like many people who come to this board that I try to educate about bad breeders. You and many people know that about Callie though so I am guessing you were being sarcastic.

I'll say that though you have had problems with little Callie, you have worked hard to help her deal with all of her issues as a result of her sad beginnings and since learning a better way for dogs, have been a wonderful, passionate advocate for their betterment since I have been on this site, Taylor.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I didn't know about that stuff when I got her like many people who come to this board that I try to educate about bad breeders. You and many people know that about Callie though so I am guessing you were being sarcastic.

Why not???

Surely when making such an important decision to bring a living being into your life/home, that requires life-long care, you'd take the time to do a little research?

Geez, I'm thinking about buying a new car and I've been researching for for months & months, and that's just a hunk of metal that I'll only have for a few years. I can't imagine just winging it and not making a well-informed, educated choice when it involves a living, breathing being.

[Ellie May]

Educating is great. I think once in awhile the OP honestly understands what is being said but disagrees...and that is ok.

I think breed clubs are a great thing. I don't think they should be looked to first for health and behavior issues. They know about breed standard and showing. They don't hold credentials in health/behavior most of the time. I've been on YTCA member sites. I've read a bit from members about health and such. I see how members are chosen. At the end of the day I personally don't trust them over vets and vet behaviorists. I wouldn't say the 12 week thing is bad, but there are other paths that can also be acceptable.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Why not???

Surely when making such an important decision to bring a living being into your life/home, that requires life-long care, you'd take the time to do a little research?

Geez, I'm thinking about buying a new car and I've been researching for for months & months, and that's just a hunk of metal that I'll only have for a few years. I can't imagine just winging it and not making a well-informed, educated choice when it involves a living, breathing being.

Would you like to share what the point of your post? Trying bait or whatever its called. You DO NOT know what went into Callie and I have explained my story many times.