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Also, I think "we" as tenured owners, may forget how difficult it is to wait for one's first Pup. It'd be pretty easy to shave a week or two off of the proper period under those circumstances, not having read here how it's going to be taken. :D I think I can justly say... Passion is replete on this Forum. ;) |
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Sometimes newbies have questions about breeding too,and alot of the time they are met with "dont be irresponsable and spay your dog!!" or "leave it to the pros!!" :eek: I mean,we are all adults here,I dont think anyone apreciates being lectured as if they were a bratty child no matter what the subject :/ Being patronising just pushes people away,it doesnt make them listen. People want information,not a smack on the hand.I just think itīs more helpful to the puppy or dog they are caring for *shrugs* |
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I think people take typed words out of the context they are said in sometimes. Just mentioning for the future that there pup should not be taken home until 12 weeks or explain why there pup has a problem with biting when they where taken home to early is not lecturing. I think sometimes people see what they don't want to hear and automatically think its a lecture. As far as breeding goes many of the people who come on this board asking about breeding when they are asking questions they should already know answers to if they did the research they should have done before hand sometimes includes a lecture. If we congratulated and supported everyone who came on here wanting to breed it would one be like smacking the good breeders who put a lot in to it in the face and two it would really play heck with our breed that everyone on here loves so much. In the US we have a serious dog overpopulation and puppymills are in massive qualities as well as there are so many people out there breeding dogs that don't even resemble a yorkie. The YTCA has put a lot into research in all they require and I know that this is only for America but do the other country's have breed clubs and do they put research into what is best for the dog? If they don't why not share what our club has done? Don't we all want what is best for our breed and the dogs in general? |
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You cant lunge at someone who is asking questins and lash out with - "these are things you should know!!"...are you telling me that reputable yorkie breeders are born with all that knowledge? Why cant there be new reputable breeders? Just because you dont want to give someone the info they are asking for because you think they should automatically know it all,it doesnt mean they wont do it anyway..so isnt it better to make sure they have all the info instead of denying them of the knowledge theyīll need? Everyone,even the most wonderful and respectable breeders,started somewhere ;) People come in here to do their research,thatīs what they are actually doing when they ask you (in general) the questions you get angry at them for asking ;) Quote:
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I just dont believe in giving someone the cold shoulder or being hostile just because they are from a place that hasnt followed the YTCA word for word.I cant find it in me to hijack someones thread and ask over and over again WHY they have their puppy so soon or how itīs not their buisness to be thinking of breeding etc etc. I awnser their questions and hope theyīll stick around to learn more ;) If they stay,they might learn (all by themselfs) that certain things are not such a good idea,but if you p*ss them off and make them leave,they learn nothing ;) |
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Repeating things is not lecturing it is making sure everyone knows and is educated about things a lot of posters only read there posts. Things are different here then in the country you live. Good breeders hear follow the YTCA. Also when some one asks why there puppy is biting and wants to know how to stop it. If they mention getting the pup at 8 weeks that is why the pup has a biting problem so it is answering there question and then I give advise of how I stopped my pup from doing it. Most people here give the advise as well as education it most of is done nicely but people take typed words out of context. Every first time breeder should have mentor and the mentor should be able to answer all there questions as well as recomend some books. I understand certain questions but you should not come here to be told how to breed on this board because then EVERYONE will do it when already to many are doing it. I get helping them when its been done and there dog is going to be in trouble but when they haven't done it yet they should be educated as far as risks and everything else its not all sunshine and roses. Other people who you meet on a post board should not be telling you how to breed a mentor should who has done it before and let you see some whelps, vets should do it and experts/vets who have written many books on it should. You absolutely can not just get to dogs together and breed its the reason here we have so many unwanted dogs, sick dogs, and nonstandard dogs. You see anger in my words but you don't know that is the context it is said in you also have not been around the board long enough to see what happens when people don't know what there doing and get two dogs together and get into trouble. You also have not been around long enough to know how many sick pups we have seen younger then 12 weeks and many have died. You can do things your way and others will do there things the way they want to I believe you even said that. You can see my words one way when six other people can see them different ways. I do not want people to go through what I have with a dog who although is my life and I love more then anything go through all the problems my dog has had because of a puppy mill/ bad breeder. I don't want to see this dogs suffer anymore for things that can be avoided if the breeders where just better and cared more. The only way to stop these breeders is to educate people and stop buying from them. |
Puppies: What to Expect the First Year On the above-linked Doctors Foster and Smith website, the page about what to expect during a puppy's first year is interesting in that it particularly advises that pups be kept from much in the way of new and stressful situations such as travel or even unnecessary grooming. It goes on to say that by the 12th week the pups confidence was greater and his brain at a better learning stage. If they would recommend against even groomng, I would think leaving his comfortable birth home, his mother and siblings, the breeder who he has known all his life and going to a totally new home situation with new, strange people and sometimes other animals and even children would be far more stressful and difficult for a puppy than a grooming session. Read the below information and it lets you know how difficult this age is for making changes to a young dog's life. 7 - 9 weeks of age By the seventh week, your puppy's senses have more fully developed and he continues to willfully investigate any new addition to his environment. After weeks of interaction with his littermates and the introduction of people into your pup's world, he has begun to develop a sense of how he should behave during interaction with others. Sometime between seven and nine weeks of age, your puppy's attitude towards his environment seems to completely reverse. Unlike previous weeks, your pup now tends to be very cautious of everything and is increasingly fearful of both sounds and movements - especially when each is sudden and/or loud. This fear may even include activities he previously handled with ease, such as entering and exiting his crate or playing with a small toy. Because of your pup's new attitude, it is best to avoid traumatic, frightening, or painful situations during this time, including unnecessary surgery, travel, or even grooming. If visits to the veterinarian are necessary, ensure the utmost caution, gentle handling, and constant reassurance are continually offered to ease later visits. By about 12 weeks, your puppy should re-gain his former confidence. In addition, your pup's brain is now at the stage where he is ready to begin learning his name, basic commands (sit, stay, down, etc.), housebreaking, and leash training. Maybe the best news, however, is that your pup also has increased bladder control and the ability to sleep completely through the night. |
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Didn't you research your breeder??? Didn't you buy from a breeder that does all the recommended health testing? Didn't your breeder breed to standard & for the betterment of the breed? Didn't you sign a fair contract that protected both you and the breeder in the event of any genetic/congenital problems? |
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We brought our puppy home the day he turned 6 weeks... I have to admit I was a nervous wreck... Between making sure he ate enough, waking several times a night to bring him out, worrying my kids would squish him... It was worse than when my kids were born! We made it though after just one day he was romping around making himself at home. I would not have gotten a dog more than 8 weeks. I think it's really an advantage to have gotten him so young. He is 13. Weeks now and is completely kennel trained. 100% spoiled And it's been a joy to watch him grow and change each day. I think as long as the puppy parent is diligent and available to give round the clock care there is no reason that a young puppy can't thrive and learn with out their mom. |
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Surely when making such an important decision to bring a living being into your life/home, that requires life-long care, you'd take the time to do a little research? Geez, I'm thinking about buying a new car and I've been researching for for months & months, and that's just a hunk of metal that I'll only have for a few years. I can't imagine just winging it and not making a well-informed, educated choice when it involves a living, breathing being. |
Educating is great. I think once in awhile the OP honestly understands what is being said but disagrees...and that is ok. I think breed clubs are a great thing. I don't think they should be looked to first for health and behavior issues. They know about breed standard and showing. They don't hold credentials in health/behavior most of the time. I've been on YTCA member sites. I've read a bit from members about health and such. I see how members are chosen. At the end of the day I personally don't trust them over vets and vet behaviorists. I wouldn't say the 12 week thing is bad, but there are other paths that can also be acceptable. |
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And your always lecturing about lecturing. Taylor has shared some very good information here as have many others. As a general rule of thumb 12 weeks is optimal, anything earlier is risky, period. Just because you beat the odds doesn't make it right it makes it a happy ending. Many pups don't survive when removed too soon, we've seen it hundreds of times here, sick pups, dying pups and dead pups. No one is saying it CAN'T be done...only that it shouldn't be. And with anything there are always exceptions to the rules. Many of us here did NOT research before buying a pup, I thought I had and only after I got mine did I find out that I knew nothing compared to what I thought I knew, infact; I still learn everyday. |
What about all the rescue Yorkies? They aren't up to the standard but you can't just push them to the side because of what humans have done to them. I'd take a rescue Yorkie over any puppy. And I did do that...that's how I got my amazing Sophie. Sophie may not be up to the YTCA standards or even up to most of the people here. If a Yorkie was 6 weeks old and was at a shelter would you take her? Because I would. I would give her a home regardless. Sophie probably was a result of a puppy mill and she probably was overbred. She has some skin allergies but that is her only limitation. I guess she's lucky. And I do have a Yorkie puppy...I got her because I love Yorkies and wanted to raise one. And now Sophie has a friend :-) I'm just wondering what everyone here thinks of all the Yorkies who have become victims to us humans. Not just the breeders, humans in general. Because not all dogs that end up in shelters had bad breeders, some of them had bad owners. There is a difference. I'm just wondering how many of you adopted your Yorkie? I'm sure there is more than I realize. |
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I may just be counting on my extraordinary ability to "read between the lines" (:rolleyes:), but many of those wannabe Breeders seem to know a reasonable amount up front. I think they've already been "lectured" elsewhere, and many come here (probably out of desperation for support) to possibly get some sort of approval. I suppose we could be a bit more polite, but the answer is going to be the same. = :thumbdown |
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I would think that after making your choice in ignorance, you would be more understanding/tolerant of others that do the same....not less so. I'm curious as to how you reconcile that personally. |
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Just gotta say......once again we have a lynch mob picking on ONE person because the ONE person chooses to say what she believes in. Some of you are way beyond posting your opinions and, in my personal opinion, are being very judgemental while pointing the finger at another. As someone recently suggested............why not just Post and let Post!?!?!?! |
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What I don't get is how someone that has made the mistakes themselves being so harse in their critique of others. Like today....I was a horrible dog owner. I was making ZoE's breakfast, while on hold on the phone to an auto-parts store, and while also re-watching a (muted) video of an auto repair (my car died yesterday a half mile from my parents house and I managed to roll it there & left it for the night in their driveway). I got off the phone (knowing they were holding my part). Took a shower, then gave ZoE a bath. Got us both dry & ready. Got a ride to my parents house (ZoE went too), went to the auto store in my dad's truck, fixed my car in their driveway (installed a new serpentine belt all myself!! so proud!!!), visited with parents, picked up a hot-n-ready pizza for dinner on my drive home. Got in the house and ZoE went NUTZ with the smell of the pizza...so I thought...I'll make her dinner, so she can eat while I'm eating. Grab a clean dish from the cupboard and am getting ready to make her dinner...when there I see her BREAKFAST still sitting on the counter! I'd made that poor pup go all day without food (other than a treat from pottying). OMgosh..I felt terrible!!! (and I do all over again as I'm typing this...) :( So, if someone is to tell me that they've done something similiar...I can comiserate...I understand...I know how even someone who loves their dog an incredible amount...can have a brain fart and have an oops moment...like I did. My mistake doesn't make me more critical of others. |
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But you are right, there are many things I do not agree with. Not because I am being difficult, Not because I am trolling, pot stirring or have an agenda as I have been accused of, but because I don't adhere to dogma. I do not do the appeal to authority fallacy. If there is a reason for something, I want a factual basis, not one based on subjective and emotional responses. Thank you for understanding that it is OK that I disagree with standard operating protocol. There are some that take personal offense in that, it seems. Quote:
I'm just not of the same mind set. That is why I asked why was 12 weeks recommended aside from behavior, which I disagree with, aside from hypoglycemia, and aside from the YTCA says so. And to that end, EVEN IF someone is in America they should NOT be held by the edicts of a club they are NOT a member of. If I am NOT a member of the YTCA WHY on the WORLD should I give two figs what THEY say? I think people need to remember that. YTCA rules are for YTCA MEMBERS. And if you're not a member, you're not bound by their rules. And you're not ever interested in becoming a member, (the VAST majority of Yorkie owners), then why should you be interested in following their rules before you DO become a member? This is why having the information I learned on this thread is invaluable. I can't tell people not to get a puppy before 12 weeks of age because the YCTA says so. But I can point out potential health issues, fact based, to help interested puppy buyers make an informed choice. |
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While I don't buy any dogs and would never dream of it with the numbers dying each year, I understand people's love for raising a puppy. I am not sure what age I would want a puppy to be ... I really have not given it much thought. I think it is important that everyone express their personal thoughts and experiences in order to help others make a decision that makes them comfortable. I really appreciate the posts that simply stick to that and ignore what bothers them about another person's thoughts. What some people don't seem to understand is that while someone else's thoughts (and perceived tone) may bother them, their thoughts (and perceived tone) bothers others. |
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