Originally Posted by Yorkiemomma78 (Post 4138267)

It cerainly is lecturing if its said over and over and over in every post after the OP along with snotty comments about how only wonderful and fantastic breeders keep their puppys until 12 weeks etc.I personally consider my breeder to be fantastic,she gave me great garantees (3 year genetic),I got to visit the pups when ever I wanted right from the start and she researched ME! So,looking down on the rest of the world just because things are done slightly differently is not ok,and all that lecturing is not what the OP is usually asking for,you arent helping ;)
It´s not about people getting upset because they are seeing what they dont want to hear,it´s about getting a bunch of criticism when all you asked is a simple question about your puppy.




All serious breeders started somewhere.There was always that first litter and those first questions.This is a forum,people will ask questions...how can you (in general) nags someone for using this forum for its actual perpose? To EDUCATE ;)
You cant lunge at someone who is asking questins and lash out with - "these are things you should know!!"...are you telling me that reputable yorkie breeders are born with all that knowledge?
Why cant there be new reputable breeders? Just because you dont want to give someone the info they are asking for because you think they should automatically know it all,it doesnt mean they wont do it anyway..so isnt it better to make sure they have all the info instead of denying them of the knowledge they´ll need?
Everyone,even the most wonderful and respectable breeders,started somewhere ;) People come in here to do their research,that´s what they are actually doing when they ask you (in general) the questions you get angry at them for asking ;)



I understand that,and it´s awful :(



Of course..I think we all are here because we love our yorkies to death and because we want to know all there is to know about the breed in order to give them the best care we can possibly give them - ALL of us.
I just dont believe in giving someone the cold shoulder or being hostile just because they are from a place that hasnt followed the YTCA word for word.I cant find it in me to hijack someones thread and ask over and over again WHY they have their puppy so soon or how it´s not their buisness to be thinking of breeding etc etc.
I awnser their questions and hope they´ll stick around to learn more ;) If they stay,they might learn (all by themselfs) that certain things are not such a good idea,but if you p*ss them off and make them leave,they learn nothing ;)

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4138152)

they are asking questions they should already know answers to if they did the research they should have done before

Originally Posted by BrittanyVThomas (Post 4138796)

What about all the rescue Yorkies? They aren't up to the standard but you can't just push them to the side because of what humans have done to them. I'd take a rescue Yorkie over any puppy. And I did do that...that's how I got my amazing Sophie. Sophie may not be up to the YTCA standards or even up to most of the people here. If a Yorkie was 6 weeks old and was at a shelter would you take her? Because I would. I would give her a home regardless. Sophie probably was a result of a puppy mill and she probably was overbred. She has some skin allergies but that is her only limitation. I guess she's lucky. And I do have a Yorkie puppy...I got her because I love Yorkies and wanted to raise one. And now Sophie has a friend :-) I'm just wondering what everyone here thinks of all the Yorkies who have become victims to us humans. Not just the breeders, humans in general. Because not all dogs that end up in shelters had bad breeders, some of them had bad owners. There is a difference. I'm just wondering how many of you adopted your Yorkie? I'm sure there is more than I realize.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4138784)

I'll say that though you have had problems with little Callie, you have worked hard to help her deal with all of her issues as a result of her sad beginnings and since learning a better way for dogs, have been a wonderful, passionate advocate for their betterment since I have been on this site, Taylor.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4138793)

Would you like to share what the point of your post? Trying bait or whatever its called. You DO NOT know what went into Callie and I have explained my story many times.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4138810)

What's viewed as "passionate" by some is viewed as holier-than-thou preaching by others....more than a little ironic when the preacher lives in a glass house.



You seem to have such high expectations in regards to the behaviour/choices of other people when it comes to getting a puppy, that you obviously didn't exercise yourself.

I would think that after making your choice in ignorance, you would be more understanding/tolerant of others that do the same....not less so.
I'm curious as to how you reconcile that personally.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4138822)

I do not think I am holier than thou that is why I share my story a lot. I think if you come here before getting the puppy and when looking for a puppy are super great times to educate but when someone has already gotten the puppy as well as let them know what they need to do and watch out for as well as a little education about what age the pup should come home (Then I'd suggest knowing who you are responding to, because as discussed previously, what is the "done thing" in the USA is not necessarily the same thing world wide and to imply that a person in another country has done something wrong by taking their puppy home at an age that good breeders in their country place their pups.. is offensive.) and other stuff for the future because you have to learn somewhere and most people don't stop at just one dog or yorkie. I am very understanding of those who made the same mistake as I did but less understand of those who came here and knew better but did it anyway although some cases maybe slightly different. I never intended to come off holier than thou and have seen many people say and take the same stance as me are they that way too? (That would probably depend on the delivery/tone of the response.) But those of us who know you know Callie's story could also think you are acting that way too. (I don't "know" Callie's "story". I do recall a thread about her having surgery on her leg? though...if I'm remembering the right person/dog).

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4138810)

What's viewed as "passionate" by some is viewed as holier-than-thou preaching by others....more than a little ironic when the preacher lives in a glass house.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4138839)

While I usually don't like writing inside posts, I thought it the best way to respond to this one.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4138844)

Some of the most eloquent spokespersons for causes are those with the scars and loss from the consequences of their unknowing, uninformed actions.

Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 4138791)

Educating is great. I think once in awhile the OP honestly understands what is being said but disagrees...and that is ok.

Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 4138791)

I think breed clubs are a great thing. I don't think they should be looked to first for health and behavior issues. They know about breed standard and showing. They don't hold credentials in health/behavior most of the time. I've been on YTCA member sites. I've read a bit from members about health and such. I see how members are chosen. At the end of the day I personally don't trust them over vets and vet behaviorists. I wouldn't say the 12 week thing is bad, but there are other paths that can also be acceptable.

Originally Posted by Belle Noir (Post 4138959)

Oh, I ALWAYS understand what is being said. I am highly intelligent, well read, quite educated, and have over 2 decades of dog experience to call on. In my breed, "I" am a mentor. "I" am the one getting phone calls and emails from complete strangers asking for information, wanting to learn, looking for answers.
But you are right, there are many things I do not agree with. Not because I am being difficult, Not because I am trolling, pot stirring or have an agenda as I have been accused of, but because I don't adhere to dogma. I do not do the appeal to authority fallacy. If there is a reason for something, I want a factual basis, not one based on subjective and emotional responses.
Thank you for understanding that it is OK that I disagree with standard operating protocol. There are some that take personal offense in that, it seems.



I am of this opinion too. There are those that feel that because the breed clubs hold the standard, that makes them the custodians, or guardians of the breed. That everyone needs to fall in line with the breed clubs rules, whether they show or not.
I'm just not of the same mind set. That is why I asked why was 12 weeks recommended aside from behavior, which I disagree with, aside from hypoglycemia, and aside from the YTCA says so.
And to that end, EVEN IF someone is in America they should NOT be held by the edicts of a club they are NOT a member of. If I am NOT a member of the YTCA WHY on the WORLD should I give two figs what THEY say?

I think people need to remember that. YTCA rules are for YTCA MEMBERS. And if you're not a member, you're not bound by their rules. And you're not ever interested in becoming a member, (the VAST majority of Yorkie owners), then why should you be interested in following their rules before you DO become a member?

This is why having the information I learned on this thread is invaluable. I can't tell people not to get a puppy before 12 weeks of age because the YCTA says so. But I can point out potential health issues, fact based, to help interested puppy buyers make an informed choice.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4138839)

While I usually don't like writing inside posts, I thought it the best way to respond to this one.