Yorkie Vs Yorkiepoo

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie

I think they are saying a yorkiepoo has "curly coat, less grooming, bigger" and a Yorkie has "long coat, more grooming, smaller". maybe...however, imo, not accurate. dunno

F1 hybrids are no guarantee in any way shape or form of any conformity and more prone actually to have recessive genes pop up, as well "block gebnes" creating a seriously unexpected features to be presented.

For example my Schnorkie is an F1 hybrid (first generation crossing) he is almost 2 feet tall and about 19-21 lbs! he's a cross of a Yorkie and miniature schnauzer yet he looks like a fraggle, deer, wolf griffin cross...check my pics...and yes he was DNA tested as well I followed his microchipping to research his geneology.

GOOGLE LIGERS...

[Belle Noir]

I don't think that is very accurate to say.
A recessive gene is a recessive gene, and in a closed gene pool, the chances of that recessive trait being expressed is much higher as the inbreeding gets tighter and tighter.
I'm not talking about the upfront pedigree, I'm talking 20-40 generations back, where you have the same dog names popping up over and over and over again, the further back you go.
Many people have no idea just how inbred dogs from closed registries are.

When you make a cross breeding to another breed that has the same recessive trait, the chances are no higher of that recessive being expressed than they are in pure breeding. If the other parent does NOT have a common occurrence of that recessive in that breed, then the chances are much smaller to none, in that F1 cross.

As for a Liger.
Lions and tigers are different SPECIES. Not breeds. I'm not sure your dog is the size he is for the exact same reason that ligers are the size they are. If it were, just as every time they breed a male lion to a female tiger to get a liger, and the result is these giant hybrid cats... every time they made the cross that produced your dog the dogs would be oversized as well.

But I will agree that every time you make an F1 cross of two disparate breeds, you have a huge range of conformation, coat, color, temperament, and other things that will express in the puppies.
IN GENERAL, though a yorkie-poo will probably have more curl to the coat and will be bigger... Though I'm not to sure about the less grooming part, lol.

[concretegurl]

LOL, good points...Belle Noir have you been researching genetics or have breeding experience?

The Liger comment was sheerly for a random example, but actually Yorkies that are crossed out have a wider range of size differential than the vast majority of breeds, schnauzers also are known for that result. It's due to their being "recent" breeds and the compositions they came from.

[Moses Mama]

I have a yorkie poo and he is neither stubborn or hard to train. He was pretty much potty trained at 7 months or so. He is a sweet, playful, loving little 10 month old. He can come, sit, shake, speak, lay and fetch. He loves everyone in the family and is a joy to have around. (well, maybe not at 5am when he is raring to start his day.). You can see photos of him in my YT album. I bought him from a local "breeder" because I had already fallen in love with him before I realized what she was all about. My mistake, but his origin is not his fault. His coat is still curly and while he was pitch black, I can now see hints of reddish brown when he is in the sun. His mama was a cream colored poodle and his daddy was a yorkie. I was just thinking today that he sure scored when I found the ad for "cutest yorkie poo puppies ever" online. He has a fabulous home and will have a great life with us

[dustinleephil]

Okay... So I am on the fence about this. I feel kind of stupid. I guess I just want a yorkie so bad, and I found one that I could afford, that all the red flags went out the window. The breeder does seem like a very nice woman, I have known her for a while, only in passing though. But they do keep the dogs in kennels, and they have so many of them... There is no way they could "get to know each puppy personally" I wish I could find one to adopt. I love the "shelter dog" I have now, its almost like he is extremely grateful that we adopted him.

I do know of some other breeders, but they are so expensive! But I guess you get what you pay for. As much as I don't want to, I may just hold off and hopefully I can find one from a shelter. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do. I guess I'll find out Saturday when I'm supposed to go see the puppy again.

[Donnainohio63]

I would just like to say that Scooter is a Yorkie-Poo and he is the smartest dog I have ever had. When he was 5 months old he was housebroke. He can roll over , sit, give paw, fetch, lay down, leave it and play dead. I have never had any issues with him. He is not stubborn or stupid. Poodles happen to be one of the smartest breeds and Scooter proves that to me every day.

[gracielove]

People have strong feeling about this because of the problems that the Yorke breed is suffering now due to indiscriminate breeding. The genetic defects that have been brought forward are serious and life threatening. It may seem as though people are putting pressure on you to go according to their view but if you have read some of the posts by people who have suffered through purchasing a pup with genetic problems or other health issues you would understand a little more where people are coming from.
I know to many people a dog is a dog and puppies are cute and Yorkies are adorable but genetics are a very important consideration in deciding the purchase of a dog. The ethics of a breeder are equally as important. Breeders who breed dogs with no consideration to what kind of a life they will live or the kind of health problems they will have do not have the dog's best interest at heart. So what is their reason for breeding? When you go to look at that puppy take a second look at your surroundings. Do you want to support the continued breeding of dogs in those conditions? Do they care or ask questions about what kind of home you will give the dog? Will they guarantee the pup to be free of genetic defects for one year? Will they show you where all the dogs are kept and where the puppies are kept when they are not showing them to you? If they have that many dogs I doubt that they are keeping them all in the home as pets. They have to cage them to keep them from interbreeding all the time. There are some red flags here but you have to decide for yourself what the right thing to do is.
The cost of the dog is not necessarily the thing you want to go by. There are puppy mills out there with fancy websites that charge thousands for their defective pups. Buyer beware.

[Belle Noir]

@concretegurl
Both. I used to breed and show dogs once upon a time, and I find genetics fascinating, and I study genetics for the fun of it.
It's interesting that you say that about the schnauzer, I had the thought in mind that not too long ago, minis and toys were being born in the same litter (like with cockers and springers), but never bothered to check.
The thought I had was that one can be phenotypically a toy, but genotypically a mini.
And even within the purebred Yorkie, you have "teapots" being born from standard parents.
That tells me that even within the purebreds, the genome for size is still unstable, or heterozygous, with many options possible. That could cause the size disparity in your dog from his parents.
(My daughter is reading over my shoulder and suggests a possible mutation, but I've told her that isn't likely, and explained the background of the discussion. She's disappointed, she liked the idea of a mutant schnorkie, lol).
This is the kind of thing that makes genetics so fascinating for me. Is your dogs' size because of gene imprinting? Is it because of a heterozygous size genome? Could the schnauzer side actually carry mini genes, even though they looked toy? Is it a mutation? Ohhhh I wish I knew!!!! Where is a Star Trek genetics lab when you need one?

@dustinleephil
Believe me, I understand wanting a puppy so bad, common sense goes out the window. Sometimes you have to curb that hunger though, and lead with logic and not your heart. I know I sound like a hypocrite, because I didn't do what I am advising... But isn't peace of mind with it?
Every little thing that she does that isn't normal, I start worrying. If she had come from health tested stock, I wouldn't worry as much, and I would have her breeder to go to, and ask, is this normal, is this OK, what does this mean?
As it is, I'm pretty much alone when it comes to questions I may have, save for this site, and the reputable breeders in my area, who I limit my calls to once a week, because otherwise I would drive them crazy, lol.
If I could change how I went about getting Pixie, (letting my boyfriend who is not a dog person buy her for me), I really would, just for the peace of mind. It doesn't matter that I can afford most medical issues she may have without insurance... It matters that IF she does have any problems, it's likely because she wasn't bred properly.
So she may suffer in the future, because someone didn't take proper care bringing her into this world. Her life is only equated with money in someone's eyes, and they didn't care about her future, only what they could make off her.

[concretegurl]

Belle Noire, thanks for the response, me too, well the researching part I'm still very uneducated in it and have never bred myself though. Yes standard schnauzers were a 'created breed' but mini's and giants were completely man manipulated and have serious throw backs in sizing without very controlled breeding and it like Yorkies comes up (size variations) very often. I spent a long time in choosing my breeds for many reason 9mainly looking for non shedding hypoallergenic breeds) but I wanted intelligence, train-ability, bearded toys with serious personality. I got my pound/pup mill rescue schnorkie first and then my yorkie and mni schnauzer.

Scary fact: these "teacup micro mini schnauzers" that are being bred now for the masses are coming up with hypoglycemia just like undersized Yorkies!

[dustinleephil]

As luck would have it... my local animal shelter has TWO female yorkies both 3-5 that were rescued from a puppy mill. They were under nourished and missing teeth... What is your opinions? Rayne & Roxy

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by dustinleephil

As luck would have it... my local animal shelter has TWO female yorkies both 3-5 that were rescued from a puppy mill. They were under nourished and missing teeth... What is your opinions? Rayne & Roxy

They are so cute.

[jfalz73]

Originally Posted by dustinleephil

As luck would have it... my local animal shelter has TWO female yorkies both 3-5 that were rescued from a puppy mill. They were under nourished and missing teeth... What is your opinions? Rayne & Roxy

They look adorable!!

[gracielove]

These rescue dogs are going to need a lot of time, patience, and training. Puppy mill dogs are not housebroken and do not have the social skills that a home raised dog should have. They can be trained though. There is information on how to deal with a rescue dog on this forum. You should read up on it and see if you are up to the challenge. They look so in need of love. I hope someone who knows how to love and train a puppy mill dog will give them a good home.

[intilis]

Hi dustinleephil , welcolme to YT! If you stay here & READ READ READ, you will learn & benefit SO MUCH!

I think I know how you must feel. I remember wanting my first yorkie so badly 25 years ago. I decided to research first, and the advice I was given was much the same that you are getting. At that time I didn't want to hear it! I didn't want to pay for a yorkie from a reputable breeder. I thought their prices were outrageous! I was also insulted that they didn't want to sell to me because I had small children. I was sure that the advice I was getting was crazyness from a bunch of "dog fanatics".

I ended up adopting a pair of 3 year old "teapot" yorkies from a shelter. I was not happy that I had to pay double what the shelter charged for "mutts", (X 2, because my pair had to be adopted together)!

I loved those pups so much! Fannie lived a long healthy life, but her brother Fawn had epilepsy, and was only with us about 4 years. I never knew their background, so am not sure if his condition was a result of poor breeding or not.

I have been involved in yorkie rescue & have had MANY yorkies in my life since those days. I have seen so many heartbreaking things that resulted from poor breeders wanting to make a quick buck.

I am urging you to think about taking the advise from the expierinced people on this board. They are not just "dog fanatics", they speak from the sad things they have seen and lived through.

I have absolutely nothing against mixed breed dogs.... they can be WONDERFUL! I am just re stating: If you are going to get a mixed breed, PLEASE adopt on rather than support a back yard breeder out to make a quick buck!

Good luck with whatever you decide, and please come back to YT for help & advice. You won't find a more caring or knowledgeable group of yorkie owners anywhere else!

[dhurley52]

Molly is a Yorkiepoo and I wouldn't trade her for the world...
She's the sweetest thing and if I could clone her I'd be rich*LOL*
Everyone is going to tell you something different. Do what your heart
tells you.. They are all cute !!!!!