Yorkie Vs Yorkiepoo

[slthoeny]

A puppy (or kitten for that matter) learns a lot from its mother and littermates after eight weeks. They may be physically able to be weaned and be able to remain healthy at eight weeks old, but there are many things they do not learn until after that. The mother teaches them manners. She teaches the puppy how rough is too rough. She teaches it good hygeine. A mother that is potty trained teaches her puppies where to go the bathroom. In addition to what the mother teaches the puppy, there are other benifits to waiting until the puppy is older. It is really hard to tell what kind of personality a puppy has at eight weeks. It is still such a baby. When a puppy is over twelve weeks old you can tell a lot more about the personality.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Do they DNA their breeding stock?
Is their breeding stock OFA and CHIC registered?
Is their breeding sock used for show ?
AKfC registered?
Pups sold on open or pet registration (full or limited)?
Genetic testing d one to ensure health of pups produced?
What age range are the dogs they breed?
At what frequency are their dog bred?
Age pups are released?
Health guarantee: re-homing returning sales contract?

I'm assuming you got adequate answers to all of this prior to deciding if they were good breeders or not right?
You've viewer their home/kennel already, seen parents?

I would like to know the answer to these questions as well.

I would never buy a dog again from someone who didn't have the parents on site. Nor would I buy them site unseen, off the internet, in addition to a multitude more reasons. Why would I trust someone on the internet, a complete stranger who is interested in my hard earned money, more than the caring people on here (who do not want my money) who have been through it all already? I wouldn't, but some do.

[concretegurl]

I would never again either. Some of us learn the super hard way hopefully our mistakes ca aid in someone else being spared from making it themselves.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I would never again either. Some of us learn the super hard way hopefully our mistakes ca aid in someone else being spared from making it themselves.

You and I both know now that wasn't the smartest way to get a pup.

Op, if the breeder can honestly answer Concretegurl's questions, and can prove all of the sites and damns are health tested, then and only then are they good breeders. There are no shortcuts to being a good breeder. Even a small scale operation tha produces "pets" should be breeding to some standard. And I mean a standard or healthy puppies.

[RachelandSadie]

getting a pup without seeing the home is a bad idea. also getting a pup at under 12 weeks is a bad idea. getting a pup from a breeder focusing on more than one breed or designer dogs is a bad idea. Sadie's breeder was ALL these things and more.

[RachelandSadie]

**** O*** Kennels was establishied in 2005 after moving to a 32 acre farm here in Kentucky. We love this beautiful county life and will not ever move back to the cold weather of Northern Il. ! Nothing beats the farm life for sure. The farm has a few pleasure horses for trail riding. We also have a large flock of laying hens, fresh eggs each morning! Plenty of room for the kids to ride ATV's and fish in the ponds.

We take pride in the farm and in our kennel. It's a lot of work and very long hours, but it's what we love and it's the kind of life we want for our family.

We are dedicated to raising healthy and sound (physically and temperamentally) puppies. But do they do health checks on all their breeding parents and give guarantees for life on genetic defects and guarantee against other health issues.

Our dogs live in air-conditioned / heated buildings with all ground runs. All of our dogs are micro-chipped, AKC,UKC or APR registered, vet-checked regularly, and groomed regularly. We adhere to a schedule of breeding based on the health of the parents, not our pocketbooks. schedule their breedings, live in outbuilding not in their home, APR (nasty puppy mill registry) THIS IS BAD NEWS!!

We get to know each puppy, and want to match that puppy with the very best family for it. It's important to us that the puppy has a great new family.

This place has a lot of red flags in one statement. I'd run.

[Belle Noir]

If you search on me, I am one of the people that said I believe that some people CAN cross breed dogs and be reputable, but in your case, I have my reservations.
The little blurb on their kennel is just that, a sound bite made to make everything seem as though everything is wonderful in La La Land.
I want you to note, not one word was said about what KIND of vet checks were done. Not one word was said about bile tests, OFA, CERF. Nothing was stated about the betterment of the pure breeds.
Just a couple feel good paragraphs.

As for what you have read on the net about what age puppies can be sent home. Yes, GENERALLY puppies can go to their new homes when they are 8 weeks old. However toy puppies have special needs far beyond 8 weeks. Hypoglycemia is the foremost concern, and any reputable kennel will state that they hold the puppies until X time just to be sure they're past the time when they are most susceptible to hypoglycemic events.
That is typically 12-14 weeks, and even as long as 16 weeks in the case of super tiny puppies.
And what about liver shunts? That is a big concern in little dogs. What kind of information do they have about testing for it, symptoms to look for?
What other genetic issues may be present in the breed? Does the site say anything about that? And that goes back to what I said before.. What kind of genetic and structural tests have been done on the breeding stock?
Also, you will find Yorkies can be a bit difficult to house train. This is one of the reasons leaving them with the mother helps. She helps to teach the babies, making it easier to complete the training, because the basics are there. She also helps teach the puppy other little things that you don't think about, like coming when called, and bite inhibitionamong other things.

One thing sticks out to me as well...
Our dogs live in air-conditioned / heated buildings with all ground runs.
In other words, the dogs are kennel raised and NOT house raised. THAT in of itself is a huge red flag to me. You can't get to know each puppy when they're in a kennel.
And how do they match each family to each puppy? Do they use, for example, the Volhard Puppy Aptitude Test or similar temperament tests? What kind of questions are the buyers asked to insure that the family and puppy are actually matched?

As DvlshAngel985 said, yes, all dog breeds came from somewhere, but they were not made by just throwing dogs together. There must be a plan behind the specific cross breeding to create a breed. And this cross breeding must go on for generations. At some point, introduction of parent breed genetics must stop.
A one generation cross is NOT creating a breed. Again, understand that I wrote several posts IN DEFENSE of people that are cross breeding dogs and COULD be reputable, and that there ARE people crossing breeding with the intent to create a new breed. I consider myself open minded, and I don't condemn people just because they're cross breeding dogs. However in this case, it doesn't seem to be the case. In this case, it seems that this person IS a large scale back yard breeder, or small scale puppy mill, and I would be hesitant.

I understand ALL TOO WELL how the hunger for a puppy can make a normally rational person do things they would not usually do, based on that emotion of wanting and needing.
But I am in a financial position to be able to afford MOST of the health problems my puppy may have as a result of not being bred from a line of tested dogs.
Can YOU afford a $1,200 liver shunt operation? What about a $3,000 femoral head osteotomy to treat for legg-perthes?
These things while known in the yorkie breed as a whole (and in the poodle as well) are LESS common in reputable breeder stock because of the extensive tests done on breeding stock.

And on those lines, how much is the breeder willing to assist in the cost of these operations should your puppy prove to need one or even both? What kind of health guarantee does she have that also protects YOU, the buyer?

These are things that you have to think about rationally, without the I WANT hunger. I didn't, and I KNOW that there is a chance I'll have to deal with one or both of these problems in my puppy.
Buying a puppy IS an emotional thing, but it always helps to think logically, and critically when buying a puppy, so as to make the very BEST choice for you.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

You and I both know now that wasn't the smartest way to get a pup.

Op, if the breeder can honestly answer Concretegurl's questions, and can prove all of the sites and damns are health tested, then and only then are they good breeders. There are no shortcuts to being a good breeder. Even a small scale operation tha produces "pets" should be breeding to some standard. And I mean a standard or healthy puppies.

Oh yes we sure do!
Also when I got my Elvis the breeder gave me all the right answers OVER THE PHONE.

I was an idiot I had a dog shipped from the other side of the country having never verified any of the information, having never seen the Greeder's home or even meeting someone and not seeing their home or kennel is a HUGE red flag. Most likely they aren't protecting their safety or privacy they ARE HIDING things.

It wasn't until my dog arrived I became aware of his issues and later received more telling information via photos from the Greeder and the environment my dog came from.

Buying a dog is NOT saving a dog. Good luck OP, I hope whatever you do it all works out for you.

[MaddiesMommie]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Do they DNA their breeding stock?
Is their breeding stock OFA and CHIC registered?
Is their breeding sock used for show ?
AKfC registered?
Pups sold on open or pet registration (full or limited)?
Genetic testing d one to ensure health of pups produced?
What age range are the dogs they breed?
At what frequency are their dog bred?
Age pups are released?
Health guarantee: re-homing returning sales contract?

I'm assuming you got adequate answers to all of this prior to deciding if they were good breeders or not right?
You've viewer their home/kennel already, seen parents?

Excellent questions to have the answers to BEFORE buying a pup.

I have a girl I rehomed after her owners fell in love with her and brought her home early. The fact that the breeder even allowed her to leave her mother and littermates prior to 12 weeks and let her go with an open registration told me they did NOT have her best interest at heart. She has a world of "issues" that mothers and littermates will help correct: eating habits, playing/social manners, potty training. You name it, we have had worked 100 times harder to correct these issues with her than we had to with our other two pups who came home at 13 and 15 weeks.

Please do yourself a favor and find a reputable breeder who breeds genetically tested and health guaranteed pups with a limited registration. All puppies can "look" healthy and appear to be great with people, kids, and other pets. However, some health issues may not show up the first year.

I got my Yorkie from a breeder who said all the right things yet provided no PROOF of health, temperment, anything. It was over a year later a genetic problem with her eye developed. Now, my "good deal" of a dog has cost me over $2000 in eye surgeries/procedures alone.

I have learned the expensive lesson and will not make the same mistake again.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

You and I both know now that wasn't the smartest way to get a pup.

Op, if the breeder can honestly answer Concretegurl's questions, and can prove all of the sites and damns are health tested, then and only then are they good breeders. There are no shortcuts to being a good breeder. Even a small scale operation tha produces "pets" should be breeding to some standard. And I mean a standard or healthy puppies.

Here I go again. Not "sites" but sires and dams testing. I really have to stop coming on YT with my ipod. It is doing me no favors!

[myyorkiepotter]

depends what you like better. curly coat, less grooming, bigger or long coat, more grooming, smaller.

[MamaZiggy]

i would say go with your heart.. i have a mutt who i adopted from the SPCA here and love him to bits. i got him as a puppy and have had him for 5 years now. i have had purebreeds and mutts and i tend to think a dog is a dog. and all dogs were once mutts while their breed was being designed years ago.

but anyway, im bais coz i love the breed (yorkies rule!lol) but i just think trust your heart.. good luck with your chioce

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

I would not purchase a mixed breed dog from a breeder- no good breeder breeds them. I love poodles, I grew up with them and would love to have one again someday- If I saw a yorkie-poo in a shelter or rescue I would take it in a second- so nothing against them- just not from a breeder.

First of all I would not buy from anyone that is not trying to improve the breed. Mixing the breed is not trying to improve it. I agree with ArmaniMan, go to you local shelter and adopt one, but dont support this kind of breeding.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by myyorkiepotter

depends what you like better. curly coat, less grooming, bigger or long coat, more grooming, smaller.

I did not understand this sentence at all.

[MaddiesMommie]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I did not understand this sentence at all.

I think they are saying a yorkiepoo has "curly coat, less grooming, bigger" and a Yorkie has "long coat, more grooming, smaller". maybe...however, imo, not accurate. dunno