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Woogie Man 07-08-2011 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3591978)
Absolutely beautiful quote - it captures it perfectly!

Reminds me of my fave Milan Kundera quote, which is kind of on the same note (here we go, quote junkie addicts :p):

"Humanity's true moral test, its fundamental test, consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy: animals. And in this respect humankind has suffered a fundamental debacle, a debacle so fundamental that all others stem from it."
— Milan Kundera
Oh, I love that one!

Shoot, while we're at it, let's just put the link here for all the great quotes that have been posted on YT. We may not be able to take them into all stores, but we sure love the dickens out of 'em anyway!

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...fare-fans.html

Woogie Man 07-08-2011 10:27 PM
Wonderful link, Linda. Thanks for posting that. Just a quick glance and I could see a few that should be in the sticky (loved the Black Elk quote).

J_is_my_initial 07-09-2011 02:52 AM
1st: in the op, was the MS Vip a worker, or another customer. If it was another customer, I think it was not her place to say something. If it was a employee then she could have handled it better.

2nd: a little different take on taking our dogs into businesses. I do not care if someone does, esp little dogs. But, where do businesses draw the line? If we let dogs, in then so should other pets. Why discriminate? How about cats, snakes, rodents, etc? The owners may want to bring them in also. I personally do not want someone carrying around a snake where i am shopping. Terrified of them. As for cats, my dtr and husband are very allergic to them. Red teary eyes, runny nose, and breathing troubles. It would be very bad for them to try and shop in a store like this. If we go into a shop and see a cat or a rabbit, they have to leave the store or stay on the other side of the store. My dtr has had to go to the er because of cats before.

Just some thoughts.

Roxiesmama 07-09-2011 03:37 AM
I don't bring Roxie anywhere other than the Vet and Petsmart. I have brought her into Office Max (where they thought she was adorable) and Party City (where they asked me to leave). I find it's just easier to run errands without her. If DBF and I are out together with her and have to stop somewhere quickly, one of us will stay in the car with Roxie while the other runs into the store.

As a person who is highly allergic to cats, I would be upset if I were subjected to someone carrying their cat around in the store and causing me to have an allergic reaction. I would not want to impart that on people who may be allergic to dogs.

gidget529 07-09-2011 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3591974)
I'm glad you brought that up, Ann. I was going to mention it, but didn't want to seem argumentative with Brit. You worded your response beautifully, so I'll just tag along with you.

One thing that Brit's comment brought to mind was this...

We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals. Remote from universal nature, and living by complicated artifice, man in civilization surveys the creature through the glass of his knowledge and sees thereby a feather magnified and the whole image in distortion. We patronize them for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate of having taken form so far below ourselves. And therein we err, and greatly err. For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth......Henry Beston
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3591978)
Absolutely beautiful quote - it captures it perfectly!

Reminds me of my fave Milan Kundera quote, which is kind of on the same note (here we go, quote junkie addicts :p):

"Humanity's true moral test, its fundamental test, consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy: animals. And in this respect humankind has suffered a fundamental debacle, a debacle so fundamental that all others stem from it."
— Milan Kundera
Wonderful quotes. Brought tears to my eyes. Had you two not entered the thread, where would it have gone from hence it came? Unfortunately, we as humans need to corner the market more on mercy to others instead of having it cornered on developing the earth's surface. We are great developers, not so great vessels of mercy.

susan lynn 07-09-2011 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3591981)
all i know is i'm really sorry if anyone was offended by me, my wording still has much work ahead. i'm bad about not proofreading to see if i'm actually saying what i'm meaning.

i'm going to go to bed now and snuggle with my two beautiful pups who lay right up against my pregnant belly so they can be closer to their new human brother/sister

added: sometimes I wonder if i'll ever kiss my human little one as much as i kiss these doggies or if i'll say i love you as many times a day as i say it to the dogs, or if i'll snuggle up and hold on tight to the baby like i do my fur babies. i really do love my dogs almost like children. but having this baby growing proves to me that there will soon be something that i will love in a whole new way that i've never loved or experienced before.
Yes you will if not more. My son is 17 now but I tell him so many times a day I love him, of course I don't kiss him as much as I used to, but he was the greatest gift GOD ever gave me. I was told I would never have a child and when I was 36 I was blessed with my son. I would choose him over my dogs any day but I love them as if they were my children. ( he is even jealous sometimes) No matter how mad I am at him I always tell him I love him when he leaves the house because you never know if that will be the last time you see your child. Of course there are some times I think my dogs act better than he does. Your child will be blessed to have you for a mother.

Wylie's Mom 07-09-2011 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by gidget529 (Post 3592109)
Wonderful quotes. Brought tears to my eyes. Had you two not entered the thread, where would it have gone from hence it came? Unfortunately, we as humans need to corner the market more on mercy to others instead of having it cornered on developing the earth's surface. We are great developers, not so great vessels of mercy.
I love this! :)

{I'm adding it to the DAWG quote thread, hope you don't mind :D}

JIM: we need your Henry Beston quote in there too!

My lil friend 07-09-2011 06:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gidget529 (Post 3592109)
wonderful quotes. Brought tears to my eyes. Had you two not entered the thread, where would it have gone from hence it came? Unfortunately, we as humans need to corner the market more on mercy to others instead of having it cornered on developing the earth's surface. We are great developers, not so great vessels of mercy.

amen!

jmdt 07-09-2011 06:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3591981)
all i know is i'm really sorry if anyone was offended by me, my wording still has much work ahead. i'm bad about not proofreading to see if i'm actually saying what i'm meaning.

i'm going to go to bed now and snuggle with my two beautiful pups who lay right up against my pregnant belly so they can be closer to their new human brother/sister

added: sometimes I wonder if i'll ever kiss my human little one as much as i kiss these doggies or if i'll say i love you as many times a day as i say it to the dogs, or if i'll snuggle up and hold on tight to the baby like i do my fur babies. i really do love my dogs almost like children. but having this baby growing proves to me that there will soon be something that i will love in a whole new way that i've never loved or experienced before.
You never knew your heart could hurt so good!!! The unconditional love you have for your child is overwhelming. I was very nervous when I was pregnant with my second child because I didn't think my heart could hold that much love. How could I love the 2nd as much as the first. I thought there was no more room in my heart. It is so amazing the love you could feel. I have 4 children and my heart has just about exploded. I am very lucky to feel all the feelings of motherhood.
Bless you and your new baby. It is just truly a miracle. Enjoy every second.

babiegurl 07-09-2011 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 3591342)
While I agree with you, I feel 1. It should be posted 2. If it's a company policy, it needs to upheld consistently (one store allows it, another doesn't) and 3. It should be handled in a polite and discreet manner.

I honestly dont inderstand why walmart (as well as other stores) will allow service animals into their stores but personal pets are not allowed. A dog is a dog is a dog-regardless of service or not. There's still food there if the service animal is there. And my 1.2 pound Yorkie is never going to touch the ground, the buggy or any shelves. That service animal will.

Now, don't misconstrue that to think i have anything against handicapped people and don't want their service animals allowed into stores-I get that they need them for many things. I just think some things are silly. My dog is 100 times cleaner than the rats and mice running around in those stores!!
Is this a joke? Are you really questioning why SERVICE dogs are allowed and your personal pet is not? I mean REALLY???:mad:

Rhetts_mama 07-09-2011 07:28 AM
The bottom line is a device dog accompanying someone in to a store is a NEED. Bringing your personal pet in to one is a WANT.

Maximo 07-09-2011 07:33 AM
Often I wish I could take one of my dogs with me to more places, but I understand and respect why most businesses do not allow it.

As for the subject of pets vs children, I believe quantifying the value of life and love in those terms diminishes the value of both. There is no adequate measurement, therefore the comparison is false.

Britster 07-09-2011 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3592410)

As for the subject of pets vs children, I believe quantifying the value of life and love in those terms diminishes the value of both. There is no adequate measurement, therefore the comparison is false.
Wow, beautifully stated. :thumbup:

Rhetts_mama 07-09-2011 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3592393)
The bottom line is a device dog accompanying someone in to a store is a NEED. Bringing your personal pet in to one is a WANT.
Oops- that should have said service. That's what I get for trying to type on my iPhone without my glasses.

My lil friend 07-09-2011 08:01 AM
At this point I think that,like last week, I will opt out at this point. You can only go there sooo many times,,dogs in public,dogs not in public,children more important than dogs,dogs more important than children (life is life), service dogs vs non service dogs.

ROUND TWO ?

susan lynn 07-09-2011 08:03 AM
What happened to the OP?

chachi 07-09-2011 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by susan lynn (Post 3592461)
What happened to the OP?
She probably didnt like some of the responses

Lil Sis 07-09-2011 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by My lil friend (Post 3591970)
Dear Wylies Mom,
This is obviously a very touchie subject,I learned it the hard way last week.
Thank you for putting how some of us feel about our furbabies in such a nice way. To have them to love,just for loves sake. Our furbabies do seem to be able to love us unconditionally,where as our children will need to grow up and move on,that is how it is supposed to work. They wont love us less,it is just different.
We are all here on the forum to cast our opinions and civility sometimes hard to hang on to.
You have a tuff job as the moderator. Thanks for your gentle words.
I agree

I just think the subject is so personal and perhaps painful for some people...
I always say you should not talk about

1.) religion
2.) politics
3.) how a mother raises her children
now I am going to add...
4.) how a "mother" raises her dogs :D:)

Furbaby Friend 07-09-2011 08:53 AM
I had a big long (practically essay) written, but in my better judgment I decided against posting it.

I will just settle for everyone needs to think about and RE-READ what they say because some of the things being posted here were offensive (and not just one poster).

On another note:

It is a pretty sensitive subject, love. It cannot be judged or measured or determined by others. You cannot determine if someone's love for anything is lesser than your love for something.

It isn't fair to make other people feel poorly and lesser for not feeling "that special bond" with a child. To someone else, there may be "that special bond" with a pup. Who are we to say they cannot possibly feel that way and are crazy for it? Only they know how they feel.

jmdt 07-09-2011 09:03 AM
Also wondering where the op is. I guess her husband was right ...she is a smart a$$. :rolleyes:

She gave the girl a wise a$$ answer when she was told that she couldn't have the dog in there. That is the topic of this thread.

I just feel it is just not called for. If it is not allowed than it is not allowed..period end of story. Take the dog out!

ArmaniMan 07-09-2011 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3592535)
Also wondering where the op is. I guess her husband was right ...she is a smart a$$. :rolleyes:

She gave the girl a wise a$$ answer when she was told that she couldn't have the dog in there. That is the topic of this thread.

I just feel it is just not called for. If it is not allowed than it is not allowed..period end of story. Take the dog out!
I think everyone agreed on this point- this thread would have been so simple if it had stayed there. :p

chachi 07-09-2011 09:06 AM
It is not just because of food at a store that keeps businesses from allowing pets its allergies. If you could bring your dog in then someone with a cat would have to be let in and look at how many people are allergic to cats

AllDogBoots 07-09-2011 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by taxlady (Post 3591246)
It's official, per DH, I'm a smart a$$, ok, you know I get tired of all the "comments" about Sprocket when we are out in public. Now mostly I just ignore them (the stupid ones) or if someone really wants to know I tell them, BUT yesterday we were in the dollar store, between the fake flowers and the plastic spoons, and MS VIP or so she thought, comes up to me, "can't bring a DOG in here, THE FOOD YOU KNOW", ok wait for it, I looked her in the eye very seriously, "OH BUT HE's NOT A DOG, HE'S A REDHEAD", she closed her mouth and sputtered a couple of times, I turned around finished out the isle went very calmly around then out the door. NOthing I wanted anyway, I KNOW, I KNOW, I just could not resist it. The dog behaved better than I did. I know he looked better and was cleaner than MS VIP was!!!! I know a rant but I hate stupidity.
Can someone please translate this for me? The rest of the run on sentence I think I understand.

This post is classic. What irony.

shamrocks 07-09-2011 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3592548)
Can someone please translate this for me? The rest of the run on sentence I think I understand.

This post is classic. What irony.
I don't get the redhead line, but I can be a little slow at times.:)

jmdt 07-09-2011 09:21 AM
Haha me too!!! Don't get the humor. Thought it was just me! :rolleyes:

DJDB 07-09-2011 09:44 AM
My b/f and I love our little Ozzy, and we like to take him places with us, but we would never consider taking him into any store with food in it (Wal-mart, etc). I also don't think a dog has to go everywhere with you. Sometimes, just like with kids, you need some time apart. When we're home, Ozzy commands our attention almost all the time. Sometimes I want a break!

susan lynn 07-09-2011 09:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil Sis (Post 3592503)
I agree

I just think the subject is so personal and perhaps painful for some people...
I always say you should not talk about

1.) religion
2.) politics
3.) how a mother raises her children
now I am going to add...
4.) how a "mother" raises her dogs :D:)
Amen, that was how I was raised in the South!

susan lynn 07-09-2011 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend (Post 3592524)
I had a big long (practically essay) written, but in my better judgment I decided against posting it.

I will just settle for everyone needs to think about and RE-READ what they say because some of the things being posted here were offensive (and not just one poster).

On another note:

It is a pretty sensitive subject, love. It cannot be judged or measured or determined by others. You cannot determine if someone's love for anything is lesser than your love for something.

It isn't fair to make other people feel poorly and lesser for not feeling "that special bond" with a child. To someone else, there may be "that special bond" with a pup. Who are we to say they cannot possibly feel that way and are crazy for it? Only they know how they feel.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Roxiesmama 07-09-2011 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3592583)
Haha me too!!! Don't get the humor. Thought it was just me! :rolleyes:
Glad to see I am not the only one who didn't get this...

ladyjane 07-09-2011 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJDB (Post 3592630)
My b/f and I love our little Ozzy, and we like to take him places with us, but we would never consider taking him into any store with food in it (Wal-mart, etc). I also don't think a dog has to go everywhere with you. Sometimes, just like with kids, you need some time apart. When we're home, Ozzy commands our attention almost all the time. Sometimes I want a break!
Ditto! I do take my pups out to stores that allow them. But...I also love to go out and have my own time to myself! I did the same when I was a parent...loved to have some adult time. :)


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