we're still alive! but i have a sad problem...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

I'm going to pass on this one because you have managed to insult dog owners and Americans all in one statement.

You did not pass on it.

As for insulting dog owners and Americans, I am not insulted and I am both. I totally understand what she said. The magical word in that sentence is *some*.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Wow posts like these make me realize how far apart my concept of pet ownership is with some of my fellow Americans. Very sad.

Originally Posted by lady40jay

I'm going to pass on this one because you have managed to insult dog owners and Americans all in one statement.

You my friend, are so off base with your comment I don't even know where to begin. Let me break this down for you since it seems that you have somehow missed the point of her two very poignant sentences.

When we as pet owners are willing to give every available means of care to ensure our pets are well taken care in all aspects of ownership it is very disheartening it is very hard to understand how others lack this same fortitude. If more of my fellow Americans too the responsibly they have taken on when making their decision we would not even be having this conversation. There are far too many people that breeder, purchase, rehome without even thinking twice about these decision. If everyone took the same outlook on the lives of animals your comment would be mute. But your statement just proved the point of what others are so upset about~lack of accountability for choices made.

Just yesterday I was driving along and passed a young man hitch hiking. He had a backpack on his back and a dog on a leash at his side. They were walking down the side of the road together. The dog was wagging his tail and looked well fed and happy. The young man looked to be lack a shower but his dog looked well taken care of. I thought to myself what must have happened to bring these two together and then I sadly thought of all the people who would have rehomed, dropped at a shelter or just let loose their responsibly when the times got tough. He in a strange way inspired me! I really gave him a lot of credit for doing whatever was necessary to take care and be responsible to his pet.

Others want to pass on their responsibly and cry hardship as a easy out. Then point their finger to others that take the offense to this attitude of "it's only a dog".

If only more people too their responsibly more seriously there would be no need for this discussion.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

You my friend, are so off base with your comment I don't even know where to begin. Let me break this down for you since it seems that you have somehow missed the point of her two very poignant sentences.

When we as pet owners are willing to give every available means of care to ensure our pets are well taken care in all aspects of ownership it is very disheartening it is very hard to understand how others lack this same fortitude. If more of my fellow Americans too the responsibly they have taken on when making their decision we would not even be having this conversation. There are far too many people that breeder, purchase, rehome without even thinking twice about these decision. If everyone took the same outlook on the lives of animals your comment would be mute. But your statement just proved the point of what others are so upset about~lack of accountability for choices made.

Just yesterday I was driving along and passed a young man hitch hiking. He had a backpack on his back and a dog on a leash at his side. They were walking down the side of the road together. The dog was wagging his tail and looked well fed and happy. The young man looked to be lack a shower but his dog looked well taken care of. I thought to myself what must have happened to bring these two together and then I sadly thought of all the people who would have rehomed, dropped at a shelter or just let loose their responsibly when the times got tough. He in a strange way inspired me! I really gave him a lot of credit for doing whatever was necessary to take care and be responsible to his pet.

Others want to pass on their responsibly and cry hardship as a easy out. Then point their finger to others that take the offense to this attitude of "it's only a dog".

If only more people too their responsibly more seriously there would be no need for this discussion.

[lady40jay]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

You my friend, are so off base with your comment I don't even know where to begin. Let me break this down for you since it seems that you have somehow missed the point of her two very poignant sentences.

When we as pet owners are willing to give every available means of care to ensure our pets are well taken care in all aspects of ownership it is very disheartening it is very hard to understand how others lack this same fortitude. If more of my fellow Americans too the responsibly they have taken on when making their decision we would not even be having this conversation. There are far too many people that breeder, purchase, rehome without even thinking twice about these decision. If everyone took the same outlook on the lives of animals your comment would be mute. But your statement just proved the point of what others are so upset about~lack of accountability for choices made.

Just yesterday I was driving along and passed a young man hitch hiking. He had a backpack on his back and a dog on a leash at his side. They were walking down the side of the road together. The dog was wagging his tail and looked well fed and happy. The young man looked to be lack a shower but his dog looked well taken care of. I thought to myself what must have happened to bring these two together and then I sadly thought of all the people who would have rehomed, dropped at a shelter or just let loose their responsibly when the times got tough. He in a strange way inspired me! I really gave him a lot of credit for doing whatever was necessary to take care and be responsible to his pet.

Others want to pass on their responsibly and cry hardship as a easy out. Then point their finger to others that take the offense to this attitude of "it's only a dog".

If only more people too their responsibly more seriously there would be no need for this discussion.

OK, I give up already! I agree that too many people don't take the care of their pets seriously enough, but I still think humans come first. You don't know what I believe or what I'd do for my pets. Making broad statements and calling it un-American to find a home for a pet in need ... leaves me speechless!

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

OK, I give up already! I agree that too many people don't take the care of their pets seriously enough, but I still think humans come first. You don't know what I believe or what I'd do for my pets. Making broad statements and calling it un-American to find a home for a pet in need ... leaves me speechless!

I'm not exactly sure where you keep getting this from? She is not insulting Americans! The woman who came here asking for "help" was Canadian. When the comment was made about "us Americans" she (107Barney) said that because she is IN America. If she was in Argentina she'd be speaking on behalf of Argentinians and saying "us Argentinians." Would you feel more comfortable if she said "us citizens of the world?" I'm not even going to bother talking about the responsibility of having a pet because I've already made a comment on it and you most certainly are entitled to your opinion. However, I will be more than happy to make sure that you clearly understand what is being said here because NOWHERE and I mean NOWHERE has ANYONE said ANYTHING about something being un-American so...at least understand that.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

OK, I give up already! I agree that too many people don't take the care of their pets seriously enough, but I still think humans come first. You don't know what I believe or what I'd do for my pets. Making broad statements and calling it un-American to find a home for a pet in need ... leaves me speechless!

Where did you see someone calling another un-American? That is not what she said.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

OK, I give up already! I agree that too many people don't take the care of their pets seriously enough, but I still think humans come first. You don't know what I believe or what I'd do for my pets. Making broad statements and calling it un-American to find a home for a pet in need ... leaves me speechless!

Maybe I jut need more caffeine this morning, but no where did I see Cathy say it was un-Anerican to help a dog in need. But it should be once again pointed out that the dogs are in need only because of the lifestyle choice of the OP.

I truly hope Pooter and Tikka are placed together in a home that loves and adores them and realizes that dogs are a lifetime commitment.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Maybe I jut need more caffeine this morning, but no where did I see Cathy say it was un-Anerican to help a dog in need. But it should be once again pointed out that the dogs are in need only because of the lifestyle choice of the OP.

I've had two cups already and I don't see it either.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

OK, I give up already! I agree that too many people don't take the care of their pets seriously enough, but I still think humans come first. You don't know what I believe or what I'd do for my pets. Making broad statements and calling it un-American to find a home for a pet in need ... leaves me speechless!

Please take a minute and point out where this was said by anyone except you by putting words into her mouth?

Oh and I'm on my second cup of coffee too but maybe I need to crack out the hard stuff to figure how this thread because about 107barney and her American hating ways.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

OK, I give up already! I agree that too many people don't take the care of their pets seriously enough, but I still think humans come first. You don't know what I believe or what I'd do for my pets. Making broad statements and calling it un-American to find a home for a pet in need ... leaves me speechless!

Let me add this as well~the OPer did not have a pet in need. She was feeding her OWN NEED to be with her boyfriend while he traveled as a hunting guide. Far different than this being a situation of a poor dog having a need. Her decision was made for no other reason that only considering her own personal wants~ Which sadly seems to be a common thread that binds so many rehomed animals all over shelters and rescues in AMERICA!

ETA in my previous post I meant to say "how this thread became about 107barney and her American hating ways. "

[107barney]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

OK, I give up already! I agree that too many people don't take the care of their pets seriously enough, but I still think humans come first. You don't know what I believe or what I'd do for my pets. Making broad statements and calling it un-American to find a home for a pet in need ... leaves me speechless!

My posts did not leave you speechless, unfortunately.

First things first....I made no sweeping generalization, and I did not call it un-American to find a home for a pet in need. What I said was that the views of some people and their concept of pet ownership and responsibility are very far away from mine. What's wrong with that? I realize you have your back up because you gave up a dog as you stated earlier (after all, humans first is your view). But, my view is that my dogs are family members on the same exact plane with the humans who are my family members. You may choose to relegate your animals to a lesser status, but I do not, and not only will I not apologize for that view, I think it is a correct one.

Just to personalize it for a second -- I have a little epileptic dog. He has many challenges. A dog like Teddy would be cast aside by many. He will never be cast aside by me, and I thank God every day that he has entrusted me to care for this little darling. I consider it a privilege to administer his medication every 12 hours, to wipe up his accidents because he can't remember all the time what he is suppose to do, to encourage him daily with basic commands that he confuses, and to play the games he likes that mentally stimulate him. That is the honor to me of being guardian to a dog who has a disability. Perhaps he picked me for this reason and for as long as he is on this earth, he has a home where he is a family member.

I look for solutions to problems, and I will always find a way. I'm sorry you didn't, but that's not surprising since, after all, it's just a dog...

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Please take a minute and point out where this was said by anyone except you by putting words into her mouth?

Oh and I'm on my second cup of coffee too but maybe I need to crack out the hard stuff to figure how this thread because about 107barney and her American hating ways.

Originally Posted by 107barney

My posts did not leave you speechless, unfortunately.

First things first....I made no sweeping generalization, and I did not call it un-American to find a home for a pet in need. What I said was that the views of some people and their concept of pet ownership and responsibility are very far away from mine. What's wrong with that? I realize you have your back up because you gave up a dog as you stated earlier (after all, humans first is your view). But, my view is that my dogs are family members on the same exact plane with the humans who are my family members. You may choose to relegate your animals to a lesser status, but I do not, and not only will I not apologize for that view, I think it is a correct one.

Just to personalize it for a second -- I have a little epileptic dog. He has many challenges. A dog like Teddy would be cast aside by many. He will never be cast aside by me, and I thank God every day that he has entrusted me to care for this little darling. I consider it a privilege to administer his medication every 12 hours, to wipe up his accidents because he can't remember all the time what he is suppose to do, to encourage him daily with basic commands that he confuses, and to play the games he likes that mentally stimulate him. That is the honor to me of being guardian to a dog who has a disability. Perhaps he picked me for this reason and for as long as he is on this earth, he has a home where he is a family member.

I look for solutions to problems, and I will always find a way. I'm sorry you didn't, but that's not surprising since, after all, it's just a dog...

This is why I proudly call you my friend!

[Xsassy2macyX]

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with everyone. This makes me sad/angry.

I would NEVER give my pet away just so I could enjoy my vacation. It would make me selfish. At least that's how I would feel.

This whole thing is not fair to Pooter. He is an innocent dog who loves you to pieces. I am asking you to please consider this.

[mama2yorkies]

I’ve been following this thread and I know I probably should stay out of this debate but I feel compelled to put in my two cents. I respect all of you YT’ers for your passion and different viewpoints.

For me, dogs are not the same as people. They are more important. I believe we should put the needs of our pets above the needs of our human family members. With the exception of very young children, humans have the ability to meet their own needs. Our pets do not. They are completely dependent on us to care for them. That is the commitment we accept when we bring them into our lives.

For me, this really comes down to a fundamental philosophical difference. I don’t believe that we are here to dominate nature, or the animals that we share the earth with. I believe that we are meant to live in harmony with nature. We, collectively, have a responsibility to care for all living creatures that we share this earth with, but especially our pets, as we have chosen to domesticate them.

That’s my two cents and I know not all will agree.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mama2yorkies

I’ve been following this thread and I know I probably should stay out of this debate but I feel compelled to put in my two cents. I respect all of you YT’ers for your passion and different viewpoints.

For me, dogs are not the same as people. They are more important. I believe we should put the needs of our pets above the needs of our human family members. With the exception of very young children, humans have the ability to meet their own needs. Our pets do not. They are completely dependent on us to care for them. That is the commitment we accept when we bring them into our lives.

For me, this really comes down to a fundamental philosophical difference. I don’t believe that we are here to dominate nature, or the animals that we share the earth with. I believe that we are meant to live in harmony with nature. We, collectively, have a responsibility to care for all living creatures that we share this earth with, but especially our pets, as we have chosen to domesticate them.

That’s my two cents and I know not all will agree.

No, not all will; but I will wholeheartedly..and so will many others.