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StewiesMom · 03-02-2005, 07:35 AM

I'm sorry, but I feel I need to post more. Again, I respect everyone's opinions and feelings regarding this issue, but I am hoping to get some information out.

This is the site created by a rescue in my area (Furry Friends Foundation - Chicago)
The truth about Pitt Bulls (I encourage you to read all the way down):
http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.co...03/Truth03.htm

I get nervous whenever Stewie is around any dog that is larger than him. His "cousin" a 12lb Bischon/Maltese despises him and is definitely capable of hurting him. I think that accidents can happen with any breed. So, what is next? Are the Pitt pups in Ontario supposed to move out or be lethally injected?

Pitt Bull saves child from fire:
http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.co...tChildFire.htm

I would LOVE to have the time/resources to rescue a dog who has been used for the wrong purposes. There are bad dogs and of course, bad owners. If one of us mistreated our Yorkie, s/he would very likely "snap" or turn on someone they love. Because a breed is larger by nature, they should be discriminated against?

Hypothetically speaking:
What if, in Ontario, a specific ethnicity of people (let's use Irish as an example. I'm Irish) were thought to be more prone to a neurological disorder than made them be disloyal to friends and family in rare cases? Would they be banned in a North American city? Never. Yes, I realize we are talking people vs. dogs, but I think its a good example.

StewiesMom · 03-02-2005, 07:40 AM

An analogy used on their page is:

it is estimated that there are 60,000 Pit Bulls in the city of Chicago alone. This number is so high because people are breeding them for the wrong reasons. Most of them are living in hostile surroundings. It is an amazing testimony to teh breed that although 95% of these animals suffer abuse/neglect we rarely hear of any problems.

If there was a sudden increase of people being injured by red cars, would we ban red cars? No! Common sense would dictate that red is a more popular color choice.

Pitt Saving Lives:
http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.com/Truth03/Weela.htm

Babbie · 03-02-2005, 07:49 AM

They are such great family pets, but are terrier and powerful dogs, people tend to forget that. Also they are victims of so many kinds of abuse, most people beat pits to "teach" them...it just breaks my heart

Ringo · 03-02-2005, 10:17 AM

I love all dogs, but dogs are animals and they are very unpredictable no matter how they are raised. My best friend had the sweetest pit bill in the world but one night he left her in his car. He forgot his wallet and went to the passenger's side (where his dog was laying) and put his hand and face in the car to get the wallet off the seat. She didn't realize that it was him and bit into his face and wouldn't let go.

My dalmation was raised by me. He slept with my children and didn't have a mean bone in his body, but he bit 2 children in the face when they leaned over him when he was sleeping. I was torn on what to do. I honestly thought I'd have to give him away because there were always kids at my house. I just had to be VERY diligent on keeping him put away when small children were around.

I don't have any opinion really on the ban. It's sad that so much is expected from dogs. They are loyal. They love us and protect us without asking anything in return, but we have to remember they are animals. Heck, people even lose self control at times and do crazy things.

I chose to get a little dog this time. I figure the bite of a Yorkie can't do too much damage. It's frightening when your dog bites a child.

Babbie · 03-02-2005, 10:50 AM

Exaclty...dogs will be dogs. They don;t reason like us, humans do. They react on instinc and not because they are "mean". This is why dogs, specially pits, are not for everybody. Having a dog itself is a big commitment, a large breed is even more because it requires more care with other animals and people...

Any dog can attack, any large breed dog can kill an human...so why this only happens to pits? I find it so revolting what people do (specially the media) with the advertizemnt of "savage" pits....who are we to judge anyways...we kill our own kind because we reason and are just plain mean, but it is the pits that should be banned.....

Bitsy · 03-02-2005, 11:36 AM

This is all so sad. I feel so bad for the pit bulls that are so mistreated and raised to be fighters.

I can't agree with the banning of the entire breed. I think they could have passed severe laws for the owners as far as leash, muzzle, etc.

Dogs are dogs and any dog or breed can be aggressive at times. I agree with Babbie and what she wrote about them. I honestly don't know a whole lot about the breed, so I cannot comment on if they are born aggressive, or raised that way, etc.

I just think it is sad that these animals are treated so poorly by some and hated by so many others. I wish there was a good answer for them. I'm glad there are groups who want to rescue and help them.

lilbumbleybees · 03-02-2005, 04:35 PM

I applaud everyone here who has the itelligence to realize that it is NOT THE BREED!!!!! I go to work EVERY DAY with a pit bull. Gracie LuLu is her name. I'll have you know, That very same PUREBRED PITBULL is Bouncer's (my yorkie) best friend. And I wouldn't change her breed for the world. I have been writing my congressmen over and over again about how these dogs are known purely for their rep that these rediculously BAD OWNERS have given them. Too many times have breeders let these dogs go to the wrong people. Gracie LuLu has run of the store every day. Tons of other dogs come into this very same store every day to buy our home-made treats or a sweater or a new collar, what have you. We have NEVER had an incident with these dogs. My brother's two dogs are pit mixes. They're also two of Bouncer's great friends. He adores playing with them. Gracie LuLu is so funny. She is so gentle with little dogs and just ADORES babies. Every puppy or kitten that comes in, she lays down and wants to cuddle and mother them. She's such a doll! Anyways, my point is, if they are put in the right hands, these dogs can be just as great as all of our yorkies. Same goes for Yorkies though. I've had to turn down Yorkies at my groom shop b/c they were too aggressive. They go to the wrong person, they can be just as deadly and harmful as a Pit could be in the wrong hands. And you can bet your biggest savings account on it that the day Chattanooga or Tennessee attempts to ban any breed of dog, I'll be one of the first to be the most annoying protestor b/c I firmly believe that you put the dog in the right hands and there will be no problem. ANY DOG CAN BITE. ANY DOG CAN ATTACK. Yes, even our beloved Yorkies can be little dirtbags. I love mine with all my heart, but I'm not going to say that his breed is perfect b/c no dog is. Any dog will bite. ANY DOG. OK, I'm done with my rant now. I just get very worked up and emotional on something that is so misunderstood by the public. Pits aren't bad dogs. It's the people that choose to neglect and mistreat them that are bad. It should be common sense with ANY DOG that the minute they are old enough, you put them in training to work towards their CGC. But I guess some people just don't have that common sense. OK, I'm really done now. *fuming*

russell04 · 03-02-2005, 04:59 PM

Okay, i posted earlier in this post and I just have a few more things to say, first of all, i am truly sorry to those of you that have lost a loved one, knows someone else that has, or that has has a bad experince with a pit bull, i am not posting on here to change any ones mind on these dogs, everyone feels the way they do and i am not here to change that. I have had alot of experince with these dogs, as i posted earlier i worked at a shelter that took in mostly pits, (although most shelters thats all there is anyways) and I have seen first hand what these dogs are like, the good, the bad, and the ugly!! I took home and nursed a pit that was brought in that had been fought and was given almost no chance of survival, but i took this dog to my house and took care of her, the side of her face was ripped open and was totally infected, the gash was so big it went all the way back to her ear, she was covered in bite marks all over her body. It broke my heart to see this dog suffering like she did. People only hear about the bad part of these dogs, you dont hear the stories of people that own these dogs, that have families, that have other dogs, that their pit is the best pet they have ever owned!!!! Yes there are alot of horrible stories out there about these dogs, but what about all the other pits that are great pets?? You never hear stories about those dogs.

ssguzzy828 · 03-02-2005, 05:05 PM

I have to say I myself have a german shepherd who was imported from germany. When we decided to get him he was just about a year. The breeder we bought him from trains dogs for therapy,protection, and service dogs. I have small children so we decided that if we were gonna buy a dog of this breed we had to make sure we would be responsible and train him. My shepherd has passed his cgc as well as his temperment test on the first try. He is one of the calmest dogs i have ever seen. and my kids were taught from a very young age to respect any animal/pet. we will be training him for therapy dog this summer. I know this is long but the point I am trying to make is that my family and I made sure to be RESPONSIBLE pet owners. My breeder made sure she sold to a responsible family by making sure we socialized with him for a month before bringing him home (because of his age).
So I do believe some of these breeds are getting a bad rap because of irresponsible owners. I know we have to remember that they are still animals but with the right training and socialization a lot of this could be avoided. I am sorry this so long I just hate to see any animal treated the way the pitts are as any other big breed because of bad ownership.
sue

lilbumbleybees · 03-02-2005, 06:33 PM

I'm glad that at least some of you out there realize it's not just this breed and it's not their fault.

milliecorrales: If Pit Bulls were outlawed everywhere, I would move out fo the country. And no, I'm not kidding or saying that lightly. That's very judgemental of you to say that. You are entitled to your opinion, but why are you so determined to say that they are so bad? If they were outlawed everywhere, Bouncer's best friend would be gone. Yes, his best friend is a purebred pit bull.

Titamatic: If that is true that they are all bad even if trained, then I wonder why my dear Gracie LuLu is a THERAPY DOG and has her CGC and has never touched another dog or human (even her best friend, my yorkie) in all of her 6 years.

orinskye I'm here!

I have stood up for these mistreated dogs' rights for years. Pits deserve so much better and so much more. It kills me to see people judge them when they know nothing about the breed in the first place besides what they see on the news. How come no one ever shows the many Pit Bull rescue dogs and Pit Bull therapy dogs?

Babbi I have seen that video before. We were all watching it at work actually with Gracie LuLu in our arms and all had to cuddle and love on her after it we were crying so much. It's absolutely HORRIBLE what people do to these dogs. I love pits, and actually am in the process of searching for the perfect one to take my heart away from a rescue organization. They are absolutely wonderful dogs who get put in the wrong hands of people. If you are as outraged as me at these laws on certain breeds, WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMEN! I have been doing so and if we can keep people doing this we can get the RIGHT education out on these breeds. Not just avoid the situation by banning them. Labs are more prone to bite. Every lab I have ever had (3 so far) was sweet, but would bite over the wrong movement. Both of my brother's pits won't even do that. Never have and they are 4 and 6 now.

Stewiesmom I applaud you for wanting to rescue a pit and I highly encourage you to do so. Having the love of a pit is some of the best love a dog owner can find. They are so loyal and loving and all they want is to know you love them back. They are so judged against and it kills me! And actually, they are banned in North American cities which outrages me more. I was going to move to Atlanta for collge last year. Want to know why I didn't? Pit Bulls are banned in majority of the counties in and around Atlanta. I love that city, but not enough to sacrifice a dog for it.

Bitsy: I applaud you for realizing that ANY BREED can be aggressive. Even these cute little Yorkies we all love and adore can be just as aggressive. Anyone doesn't think so? Come work in my groom shop. I see 5 or 6 of them every week that I have to groom. And yes, they are very aggressive. It's not in the breed of any dog. It's in the owners and who's smart enough to rasie their dog right and get it into training immediately.

russell04 : You are exactly right. We NEVER hear about the rescue stories or the therapy dogs or any of the good pits. Why? B/c media wants to do what people want to hear. And our country is sick enough that if one channel was talking about a Pit who saved someones life and another was talking about a Pit who savagely attacked another dog, what do you think this country would turn to watch? I don't even need an answer, b/c I know that you know. It's way too sad....

ssguzzy828 : THANK YOU! It is b/c of responcible owners like you that we can begin to stop this horrible madness from happening! Congratulations on your baby passing him CGC! Congratulations to YOU for being smart and responcible. We need more owners like you.

russell04 · 03-02-2005, 06:50 PM

lilbumbleybees- Thank You!!!!!!!!

lilbumbleybees · 03-02-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by russell04

lilbumbleybees- Thank You!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE WELCOME! Thank you for understanding and being one of the few who realizes what's wrong here in this world!

ssguzzy828 · 03-02-2005, 08:06 PM

awwww thanks liz. I just hate to see some of these dogs punished because people use them for fighting. In fact in illinois homeowners insurance will drop you just for owning shepherds,pitts,rotts,chows,dobermans,mastiffs and a few others. I am hoping that our temperment test and cgc are good enough for them. In fact my yorkie (when i finally get her ) will also go for her cgc and temperment test. Thanks again my shepherd xaro worked very hard for it.(so did I lol)
sue

lilbumbleybees · 03-02-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ssguzzy828

awwww thanks liz. I just hate to see some of these dogs punished because people use them for fighting. In fact in illinois homeowners insurance will drop you just for owning shepherds,pitts,rotts,chows,dobermans,mastiffs and a few others. I am hoping that our temperment test and cgc are good enough for them. In fact my yorkie (when i finally get her ) will also go for her cgc and temperment test. Thanks again my shepherd xaro worked very hard for it.(so did I lol)
sue

I don't doubt you worked hard for it! It's a tough test to pass even more the most obediant dog, but it's so worth it! And congraulations on wanting to take your yorkie! I'm still working with Bouncer on his obedience. I would love for him to get his CGC. It's amazing they'll drop you just for what type of dog you have. People just don't understand. A child was in our store with her mom one day and the little girl was playing with Gracie LuLu (our resident Pit) and the mom was like, "how sweet. what kind of dog is she?" When Stacy (Gracie's momma) said, "She's a Pit Bull Terrier" I have never seen a child grabbed up so fast. The mom said, "don't touch that dog!" Stacy was like, "excuse me" and the lady told her, "i've heard they are very bad dogs" Stacy just said, "well have you ever actually met one?" When the lady responded no, Stacy had Gracie do her full show of tricks and by the time they left both the mom and child were playing with her. Just goes to show if she hadn't even of asked, she wouldn't have even cared. This lady had never even met a pit before Gracie and just assumed. I'm hoping soon we can change the way people think.

aimee · 03-02-2005, 08:29 PM

Here's my opinion (I know you guys were just dying without it)

When I was in high school I worked for Santa at the mall as one of the "elves" who took pictures. One day these people brought in their boxers to take their picture with Santa. Everything was fine and dandy, but when I brought them their pictures one of the dogs lunged at me and bit my forhead. I had to have stitched and the whole ER thing happened. The owners felt horrible, nothing like that had ever happened before and the best anyone could figure out is that maybe the dogs felt I had threatened their owner because they were sitting down and I BENT to give them their picture. Honestly, the best thing about the situation was it happened to me and not one of the little kids there to see Santa.

So, that's my story - do I now hate all boxers? Nope. I certainly don't think they should be banned. I still think they are pretty dogs, but will never own one myself, but that's just me. I think that any dog can have something like this happen, you really just never know. As domesticated as we think they are, they DID descend from wolves, right? Sometimes you think they have no instincts whatsoever, then they surprise the heck out of you (like when Sandy killed her gopher! My old girl!)

Now, there was NOTHING in the local paper about this, but I can pretty much guarentee that if it would have been a Pit, it would have made the paper. Not every dog bite is reported, but the ones that are given out by dogs that have that bad rap are more likely to be.

I'm not trying to minimize anyone's pain who has had a bad experience with this breed, I'm just throwing out there that it can happen with other breeds as well and maybe the reason it doesn't "happen as often" is because we just don't hear about it?

Anyway, there's my two cents

03-02-2005, 07:35 AM	#16
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	I'm sorry, but I feel I need to post more. Again, I respect everyone's opinions and feelings regarding this issue, but I am hoping to get some information out. This is the site created by a rescue in my area (Furry Friends Foundation - Chicago) The truth about Pitt Bulls (I encourage you to read all the way down): http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.co...03/Truth03.htm I get nervous whenever Stewie is around any dog that is larger than him. His "cousin" a 12lb Bischon/Maltese despises him and is definitely capable of hurting him. I think that accidents can happen with any breed. So, what is next? Are the Pitt pups in Ontario supposed to move out or be lethally injected? Pitt Bull saves child from fire: http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.co...tChildFire.htm I would LOVE to have the time/resources to rescue a dog who has been used for the wrong purposes. There are bad dogs and of course, bad owners. If one of us mistreated our Yorkie, s/he would very likely "snap" or turn on someone they love. Because a breed is larger by nature, they should be discriminated against? Hypothetically speaking: What if, in Ontario, a specific ethnicity of people (let's use Irish as an example. I'm Irish) were thought to be more prone to a neurological disorder than made them be disloyal to friends and family in rare cases? Would they be banned in a North American city? Never. Yes, I realize we are talking people vs. dogs, but I think its a good example. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

03-02-2005, 07:40 AM	#17
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	An analogy used on their page is: it is estimated that there are 60,000 Pit Bulls in the city of Chicago alone. This number is so high because people are breeding them for the wrong reasons. Most of them are living in hostile surroundings. It is an amazing testimony to teh breed that although 95% of these animals suffer abuse/neglect we rarely hear of any problems. If there was a sudden increase of people being injured by red cars, would we ban red cars? No! Common sense would dictate that red is a more popular color choice. Pitt Saving Lives: http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.com/Truth03/Weela.htm __________________ Kristy & Stewie

03-02-2005, 11:36 AM	#21
Bitsy Ultimate Banner! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: US Posts: 6,122	This is all so sad. I feel so bad for the pit bulls that are so mistreated and raised to be fighters. I can't agree with the banning of the entire breed. I think they could have passed severe laws for the owners as far as leash, muzzle, etc. Dogs are dogs and any dog or breed can be aggressive at times. I agree with Babbie and what she wrote about them. I honestly don't know a whole lot about the breed, so I cannot comment on if they are born aggressive, or raised that way, etc. I just think it is sad that these animals are treated so poorly by some and hated by so many others. I wish there was a good answer for them. I'm glad there are groups who want to rescue and help them. __________________ Bitsy loves Sophia and Peyton

03-02-2005, 04:35 PM	#22
lilbumbleybees YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,339	Long Post, I Get Worked Up Over This Subject I applaud everyone here who has the itelligence to realize that it is NOT THE BREED!!!!! I go to work EVERY DAY with a pit bull. Gracie LuLu is her name. I'll have you know, That very same PUREBRED PITBULL is Bouncer's (my yorkie) best friend. And I wouldn't change her breed for the world. I have been writing my congressmen over and over again about how these dogs are known purely for their rep that these rediculously BAD OWNERS have given them. Too many times have breeders let these dogs go to the wrong people. Gracie LuLu has run of the store every day. Tons of other dogs come into this very same store every day to buy our home-made treats or a sweater or a new collar, what have you. We have NEVER had an incident with these dogs. My brother's two dogs are pit mixes. They're also two of Bouncer's great friends. He adores playing with them. Gracie LuLu is so funny. She is so gentle with little dogs and just ADORES babies. Every puppy or kitten that comes in, she lays down and wants to cuddle and mother them. She's such a doll! Anyways, my point is, if they are put in the right hands, these dogs can be just as great as all of our yorkies. Same goes for Yorkies though. I've had to turn down Yorkies at my groom shop b/c they were too aggressive. They go to the wrong person, they can be just as deadly and harmful as a Pit could be in the wrong hands. And you can bet your biggest savings account on it that the day Chattanooga or Tennessee attempts to ban any breed of dog, I'll be one of the first to be the most annoying protestor b/c I firmly believe that you put the dog in the right hands and there will be no problem. ANY DOG CAN BITE. ANY DOG CAN ATTACK. Yes, even our beloved Yorkies can be little dirtbags. I love mine with all my heart, but I'm not going to say that his breed is perfect b/c no dog is. Any dog will bite. ANY DOG. OK, I'm done with my rant now. I just get very worked up and emotional on something that is so misunderstood by the public. Pits aren't bad dogs. It's the people that choose to neglect and mistreat them that are bad. It should be common sense with ANY DOG that the minute they are old enough, you put them in training to work towards their CGC. But I guess some people just don't have that common sense. OK, I'm really done now. fuming __________________ Liz Little Lotte , Bouncer, Lilli , Yodi

03-02-2005, 06:33 PM	#25
lilbumbleybees YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,339	My Responces To Many I'm glad that at least some of you out there realize it's not just this breed and it's not their fault. milliecorrales: If Pit Bulls were outlawed everywhere, I would move out fo the country. And no, I'm not kidding or saying that lightly. That's very judgemental of you to say that. You are entitled to your opinion, but why are you so determined to say that they are so bad? If they were outlawed everywhere, Bouncer's best friend would be gone. Yes, his best friend is a purebred pit bull. Titamatic: If that is true that they are all bad even if trained, then I wonder why my dear Gracie LuLu is a THERAPY DOG and has her CGC and has never touched another dog or human (even her best friend, my yorkie) in all of her 6 years. orinskye I'm here! I have stood up for these mistreated dogs' rights for years. Pits deserve so much better and so much more. It kills me to see people judge them when they know nothing about the breed in the first place besides what they see on the news. How come no one ever shows the many Pit Bull rescue dogs and Pit Bull therapy dogs? Babbi I have seen that video before. We were all watching it at work actually with Gracie LuLu in our arms and all had to cuddle and love on her after it we were crying so much. It's absolutely HORRIBLE what people do to these dogs. I love pits, and actually am in the process of searching for the perfect one to take my heart away from a rescue organization. They are absolutely wonderful dogs who get put in the wrong hands of people. If you are as outraged as me at these laws on certain breeds, *WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMEN! I have been doing so and if we can keep people doing this we can get the RIGHT education out on these breeds. Not just avoid the situation by banning them. Labs are more prone to bite. Every lab I have ever had (3 so far) was sweet, but would bite over the wrong movement. Both of my brother's pits won't even do that. Never have and they are 4 and 6 now. Stewiesmom* I applaud you for wanting to rescue a pit and I highly encourage you to do so. Having the love of a pit is some of the best love a dog owner can find. They are so loyal and loving and all they want is to know you love them back. They are so judged against and it kills me! And actually, they are banned in North American cities which outrages me more. I was going to move to Atlanta for collge last year. Want to know why I didn't? Pit Bulls are banned in majority of the counties in and around Atlanta. I love that city, but not enough to sacrifice a dog for it. Bitsy: I applaud you for realizing that ANY BREED can be aggressive. Even these cute little Yorkies we all love and adore can be just as aggressive. Anyone doesn't think so? Come work in my groom shop. I see 5 or 6 of them every week that I have to groom. And yes, they are very aggressive. It's not in the breed of any dog. It's in the owners and who's smart enough to rasie their dog right and get it into training immediately. russell04 : You are exactly right. We NEVER hear about the rescue stories or the therapy dogs or any of the good pits. Why? B/c media wants to do what people want to hear. And our country is sick enough that if one channel was talking about a Pit who saved someones life and another was talking about a Pit who savagely attacked another dog, what do you think this country would turn to watch? I don't even need an answer, b/c I know that you know. It's way too sad.... ssguzzy828 : THANK YOU! It is b/c of responcible owners like you that we can begin to stop this horrible madness from happening! Congratulations on your baby passing him CGC! Congratulations to YOU for being smart and responcible. We need more owners like you. __________________ Liz Little Lotte , Bouncer, Lilli , Yodi

03-02-2005, 07:49 AM	#18
Babbie Got Mojo? Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 1,117	They are such great family pets, but are terrier and powerful dogs, people tend to forget that. Also they are victims of so many kinds of abuse, most people beat pits to "teach" them...it just breaks my heart

03-02-2005, 10:17 AM	#19
Ringo Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 193	I love all dogs, but dogs are animals and they are very unpredictable no matter how they are raised. My best friend had the sweetest pit bill in the world but one night he left her in his car. He forgot his wallet and went to the passenger's side (where his dog was laying) and put his hand and face in the car to get the wallet off the seat. She didn't realize that it was him and bit into his face and wouldn't let go. My dalmation was raised by me. He slept with my children and didn't have a mean bone in his body, but he bit 2 children in the face when they leaned over him when he was sleeping. I was torn on what to do. I honestly thought I'd have to give him away because there were always kids at my house. I just had to be VERY diligent on keeping him put away when small children were around. I don't have any opinion really on the ban. It's sad that so much is expected from dogs. They are loyal. They love us and protect us without asking anything in return, but we have to remember they are animals. Heck, people even lose self control at times and do crazy things. I chose to get a little dog this time. I figure the bite of a Yorkie can't do too much damage. It's frightening when your dog bites a child.

03-02-2005, 10:50 AM	#20
Babbie Got Mojo? Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 1,117	Exaclty...dogs will be dogs. They don;t reason like us, humans do. They react on instinc and not because they are "mean". This is why dogs, specially pits, are not for everybody. Having a dog itself is a big commitment, a large breed is even more because it requires more care with other animals and people... Any dog can attack, any large breed dog can kill an human...so why this only happens to pits? I find it so revolting what people do (specially the media) with the advertizemnt of "savage" pits....who are we to judge anyways...we kill our own kind because we reason and are just plain mean, but it is the pits that should be banned.....

03-02-2005, 04:59 PM	#23
russell04 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Suburbs, Chicago Posts: 54	Okay, i posted earlier in this post and I just have a few more things to say, first of all, i am truly sorry to those of you that have lost a loved one, knows someone else that has, or that has has a bad experince with a pit bull, i am not posting on here to change any ones mind on these dogs, everyone feels the way they do and i am not here to change that. I have had alot of experince with these dogs, as i posted earlier i worked at a shelter that took in mostly pits, (although most shelters thats all there is anyways) and I have seen first hand what these dogs are like, the good, the bad, and the ugly!! I took home and nursed a pit that was brought in that had been fought and was given almost no chance of survival, but i took this dog to my house and took care of her, the side of her face was ripped open and was totally infected, the gash was so big it went all the way back to her ear, she was covered in bite marks all over her body. It broke my heart to see this dog suffering like she did. People only hear about the bad part of these dogs, you dont hear the stories of people that own these dogs, that have families, that have other dogs, that their pit is the best pet they have ever owned!!!! Yes there are alot of horrible stories out there about these dogs, but what about all the other pits that are great pets?? You never hear stories about those dogs.

03-02-2005, 05:05 PM	#24
ssguzzy828 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: south suburbs of illinois Posts: 734	I have to say I myself have a german shepherd who was imported from germany. When we decided to get him he was just about a year. The breeder we bought him from trains dogs for therapy,protection, and service dogs. I have small children so we decided that if we were gonna buy a dog of this breed we had to make sure we would be responsible and train him. My shepherd has passed his cgc as well as his temperment test on the first try. He is one of the calmest dogs i have ever seen. and my kids were taught from a very young age to respect any animal/pet. we will be training him for therapy dog this summer. I know this is long but the point I am trying to make is that my family and I made sure to be RESPONSIBLE pet owners. My breeder made sure she sold to a responsible family by making sure we socialized with him for a month before bringing him home (because of his age). So I do believe some of these breeds are getting a bad rap because of irresponsible owners. I know we have to remember that they are still animals but with the right training and socialization a lot of this could be avoided. I am sorry this so long I just hate to see any animal treated the way the pitts are as any other big breed because of bad ownership. sue

03-02-2005, 06:50 PM	#26
russell04 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Suburbs, Chicago Posts: 54	lilbumbleybees- Thank You!!!!!!!!

03-02-2005, 08:06 PM	#28
ssguzzy828 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: south suburbs of illinois Posts: 734	awww awwww thanks liz. I just hate to see some of these dogs punished because people use them for fighting. In fact in illinois homeowners insurance will drop you just for owning shepherds,pitts,rotts,chows,dobermans,mastiffs and a few others. I am hoping that our temperment test and cgc are good enough for them. In fact my yorkie (when i finally get her ) will also go for her cgc and temperment test. Thanks again my shepherd xaro worked very hard for it.(so did I lol) sue

03-02-2005, 08:29 PM	#30
aimee The Royal Mommy Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,010	Here's my opinion (I know you guys were just dying without it) When I was in high school I worked for Santa at the mall as one of the "elves" who took pictures. One day these people brought in their boxers to take their picture with Santa. Everything was fine and dandy, but when I brought them their pictures one of the dogs lunged at me and bit my forhead. I had to have stitched and the whole ER thing happened. The owners felt horrible, nothing like that had ever happened before and the best anyone could figure out is that maybe the dogs felt I had threatened their owner because they were sitting down and I BENT to give them their picture. Honestly, the best thing about the situation was it happened to me and not one of the little kids there to see Santa. So, that's my story - do I now hate all boxers? Nope. I certainly don't think they should be banned. I still think they are pretty dogs, but will never own one myself, but that's just me. I think that any dog can have something like this happen, you really just never know. As domesticated as we think they are, they DID descend from wolves, right? Sometimes you think they have no instincts whatsoever, then they surprise the heck out of you (like when Sandy killed her gopher! My old girl!) Now, there was NOTHING in the local paper about this, but I can pretty much guarentee that if it would have been a Pit, it would have made the paper. Not every dog bite is reported, but the ones that are given out by dogs that have that bad rap are more likely to be. I'm not trying to minimize anyone's pain who has had a bad experience with this breed, I'm just throwing out there that it can happen with other breeds as well and maybe the reason it doesn't "happen as often" is because we just don't hear about it? Anyway, there's my two cents __________________ (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) «´¨ `·.¸¸.Aimée, Sandy, and Tia.¸¸.·´¨`» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)