Biewer or Parti? Which do you prefer?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

I hope my statements didn't offend anyone. I feel obligated to explain a bit more. If I was purchasing a pet puppy at "unregistered" pet puppy prices, then I would probably go with a Biewer, because Peanut(Kim)'s Lily is the only tri-colored "yorkie-like" dog that I know and I think she is precious.

If I were paying big bucks for a registered dog, I select a breed recognized by the AKC and an individual that fit within the breed's standard.

Cindy

I completely get what you are saying. When I bought Livi, I knew that it was frowned upon, but that didn't hinder me whatsoever. I make my own decisions based on what I want, not what a group (YTCA) tells me is correct. I respect your opinion and understand it....you have followed your heart, just like those of us with partis and/or Biewers have done.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

leave out the drama per the OP's request.

The OP never mentioned "drama", but she did ask for pet owners opinions. I, a pet owner, gave my opinion.

Originally Posted by concretegurl

If you take such issue with my posts, please by all means use the ignore function

I usually do. You finally realized hot pink type bothered many users and stopped using it, so I didn't realize it was you and read it. I will be more attentive in future.

Originally Posted by LoALAnna

Like I said before, to me it is like saying that an adopted child is not "really" part of the family, because there is no "blood kin".

I never made any such comparison and am puzzled how you make that leap. But, as you said ...to YOU that is like saying... it's certainly not my train of thought.

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Can I ask what you feel constitutes being a purebred Yorkie?

Sure A yorkie that is bred to breed standards, not for faults. Again, that is what I personally prefer. That's the look I've grow up with & love! Do I think other dogs are cute, adorable little snugglebugs and can I appreciate why others love them? Sure! But, when I as a pet owner am looking for a yorkie, I'm looking for one that meets breed standard, not one bred for faults. I wouldn't want a "chocolate yorkie" or "golden yorkie" either.

No offense was intended. I looked at it as a local breeder in my area inquiring about what people prefer.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Speaking as a natural redhead I would always love anything who's coloring is as a result of recessive gene's. I can understand that the AKC must have set standards to use as a baseline to judge from and I understand maintaining good breeding practices. But that said talking pet quality not show standards is it not a form of prejudice to be against a well bred dog whose only difference is a recessive gene? I also do not understand why the AKC allows color variations in some dogs and not others. Once again this is the opinion of a recessive gene individual.

AKC does allow parti yorkies to be registered. It is the YTCA (parent club) that sets the standard for yorkies and won't accept parti color yorkies for showing.

Btw.....I think redheads are gorgeous

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by jencar98

AKC does allow parti yorkies to be registered. It is the YTCA (parent club) that sets the standard for yorkies and won't accept parti color yorkies for showing.

Btw.....I think redheads are gorgeous

Thank you for the parti information and for the compliment for redheads.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Sure A yorkie that is bred to breed standards, not for faults. Again, that is what I personally prefer. That's the look I've grow up with & love! Do I think other dogs are cute, adorable little snugglebugs and can I appreciate why others love them? Sure! But, when I as a pet owner am looking for a yorkie, I'm looking for one that meets breed standard, not one bred for faults. I wouldn't want a "chocolate yorkie" or "golden yorkie" either.

No offense was intended. I looked at it as a local breeder in my area inquiring about what people prefer.

Your first sentence puts the majority of Yorkies into the category that you have decided the parti and Biewer are...."not Yorkies". Do you consider yours to be purebred, even if they don't meet the standard? If every single Yorkie met the standard, then no show breeder would ever have one for sale because, as they say, they are only breeding to have the next show dog. There would be no pet Yorkies out there, except for the occasional retired one and even a lot of those have lost the standard look...lightening of coat, top-line off a bit, weight too much/too little....does this make them less purebred because they longer fit a written standard? If we, as you say, go based solely on the look of a dog to decide genetics then how many pure Yorkies have you ever encountered?

It's a good thing that there's no written standard for people....boy would we all be in trouble.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Your first sentence puts the majority of Yorkies into the category that you have decided the parti and Biewer are...."not Yorkies". Do you consider yours to be purebred, even if they don't meet the standard? If every single Yorkie met the standard, then no show breeder would ever have one for sale because, as they say, they are only breeding to have the next show dog. There would be no pet Yorkies out there, except for the occasional retired one and even a lot of those have lost the standard look...lightening of coat, top-line off a bit, weight too much/too little....does this make them less purebred because they longer fit a written standard? If we, as you say, go based solely on the look of a dog to decide genetics then how many pure Yorkies have you ever encountered?

It's a good thing that there's no written standard for people....boy would we all be in trouble.

Ha! And THIS is why I love YT!!! Even when I think I've got it all figured out, someone gives me an intelligent, well-presented point of view I haven't considered. Well done

So, I'll restate and say when looking for a pup, I, personally, am looking for breeding to standard being the goal, not deliberately breeding against it.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by jencar98

I think most members knew exactly what you wanted to know and were good to answer according to their preference. There are always going to be haters though so, I'm choosing to overlook their ignorance as to just how wonderful these tri color yorkies are.....their loss


Love it Ann....pro-parti

Haters?...Ignorance??....Really, has it come to this? That's very sad to read.

I don't think there's any hate here or that the issue should be cast as either pro or anti. There are some of us that are advocates for the Yorkshire Terrier as described in the breed standard...but haters?

I want to clear something up...at least on my part. If I've expressed heated views, it is not out of hate for any dog. It is more a response to the constant slamming of the parent club by 'some' parti breeders and of some of the dis-ingenious notions of history they use. Is it not enough to say that the parti is recognized by AKC but is not eligible for conformation events? That much is inarguably true. No need to add suppositions that serves no one...least of all the dogs. It's my own opinion but may be shared by some others to some degree. We should all be good ambassadors for the breed and slamming the parent club and inventing a 'history' doesn't serve that purpose IMO.

And I know Ann can speak for herself. I'm sure she loves Pfieffer (as she should....he's a darling boy) and I'm also sure her opinions are more evolved than to be either simply anti or pro. I'm pretty sure she and I have no animosity over this issue (at least I hope not ).

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Haters?...Ignorance??....Really, has it come to this? That's very sad to read.

I don't think there's any hate here or that the issue should be cast as either pro or anti. There are some of us that are advocates for the Yorkshire Terrier as described in the breed standard...but haters?

I want to clear something up...at least on my part. If I've expressed heated views, it is not out of hate for any dog. It is more a response to the constant slamming of the parent club by 'some' parti breeders and of some of the dis-ingenious notions of history they use. Is it not enough to say that the parti is recognized by AKC but is not eligible for conformation events? That much is inarguably true. No need to add suppositions that serves no one...least of all the dogs. It's my own opinion but may be shared by some others to some degree. We should all be good ambassadors for the breed and slamming the parent club and inventing a 'history' doesn't serve that purpose IMO.

And I know Ann can speak for herself. I'm sure she loves Pfieffer (as she should....he's a darling boy) and I'm also sure her opinions are more evolved than to be either simply anti or pro. I'm pretty sure she and I have no animosity over this issue (at least I hope not ).

Well, Jim...she might now. Pfieffer's a girl!

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Well, Jim...she might now. Pfieffer's a girl!

ooops.....and I mean major OOOPS...Sorry, Ann

LMAO....at myself.

Thanks for the correction, Karen.

[Buster Brown]

I am not against breed standards but I saw a fascinating BBC documentary on the breeding standards of pedigree dogs. I was fascinated to learn these facts. The Bulldog standard has evolved to a larger head which means most dogs have to be born via cesarian section. And the folds which originally were bred to channel the blood away from the face when it bit now are causing it breathing problems. The American German Sheperd's sloping back causes issues with hip dysplasia. The Rhodesian Ridgeback's ridge is a skin disorder that has serious health complications, The King Charles Cavalier has serious issues with the the shape/size of it's head and not enough room for it's brain. It seems like some accepted standards are actually creating health issues for the dogs. I have just found it fascinating that some standards traits deemed as desirable are in fact to the detriment of the dog. So it seems that some standards are in fact faults at least for the dog's health. Please understand I have nothing against the YTCA. And I truly believe the respected breeders here breed for conformity and for health.
In January 2009, after the BBC documentary Pedigree Dogs Exposed, The Kennel Club introduced revised breed standards for the British Bulldog, along with 209 other breeds, to address health concerns. Opposed by the British Bulldog Breed Council, it was speculated by the press that the changes would lead to a smaller head, less skin folds, a longer muzzle, and a taller thinner posture, in order to combat perceived problems with respiration and with breeding due to head size and width of shoulders.[9]
Good question, and a long answer goes with it. The American GSD is known for it’s great deviation from the S.V. standard. The S.V. (abbreviation for Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde) is the German Shepherd dog society, or breed club of Germany. The S.V. set forward the true GSD breed standards. Different ideas of what the breed should look like a be have lead to development of “types” in the breed. American lines, West German lines, and East German lines are just a few of the different lines. Many breeders in the US want to keep and breed only the European lines, so they are all still available in the US.
The American GSD is the weakest variation of the lines, it has a scrawny, feeble body, poor head, terrible hindquarters, and hocks that could be snapped like toothpicks. It is the picture of a weak and incorrect GSD.
The back half of the cavalier King Charles spaniel’s skull typically may be too small to accommodate all of the brain’s cerebellum, which may also be too large, and so it squeezes through the foramen magnum – the hole at the back of the skull – partially blocking the flow of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) down the spinal cord. The variable pressure created by the abnormal flow of CSF is believed to create the SM cavities – called syrinx – in the spinal cord.
SM is rare in most breeds but has become very widespread in cavalier King Charles spaniels. The number of diagnosed cases in cavaliers has increased dramatically since 2000. Researchers estimate that up to 95% of CKCSs have Chiari-like malformation (CM or CLM) – also known as caudal occipital malformation syndrome (COMS) or occipital hypoplasia (OH), the skull bone malformation present in all cases and believed to be at least part of the cause of syringomyelia – and that more than 50% of cavaliers have SM. The severity and extent of syringomyelia also appear to get worse in each succeeding generation of cavaliers. It is worldwide in scope and not limited to any country, breeding line, or kennel, and experts report that it is believed to be inherited in the cavalier.

[AprilLove]

Perhaps I am a little biased... But it would be a Biewer for me!! Biva Biva Biva. I absolutely fell in love with their personalities as much as I did for my Yorkies' personality.
Besides that they are a stunningly beautiful little dog, it is their personalities that hooked me. That being said, if I had to choose between a Parti Yorkie and Biewer and everything was exactly the same between them except the TAIL, the tail would be the deal breaker.
I personally have a real hard time with the fact that we CUT dogs tails just to meet a "standard", but that is just my point of view
I can't imagine my Biewers without their tails!! But again, I kind of have a thing for tails, lol. I believe they are an integral part of all dogs personalities and their ability to communication

YouTube - everyday moments

Their personalities are pretty much the same as my Yorkie, except she has a little more "tude" than they do. Since AprilLove is my first Yorkie or Terrier, I don't really know what people mean by "terrier" like attributes. But I don't think she acts terrierish (is that a word? lol), her and the Biewers are all laid back, but perhaps that is how I raised them, i dunno.

[Breny]

Its been ask that I post my Parti babies. They are 12 weeks old and all have wonderful homes waiting for them. They are the product of two traditional blue and tan Yorkies.

I present Madison, Halo, Merrick and Mason

[Brooklynn]

Ok couldn't resist not posting LOL....as a pet owner besides being a show person I love all animals. I wouldn't pay for a parti or a biewer but given to me as a pet to love I wouldn't turn a free one down if I had room for another pet nor would I pay for a mixed breed of any kind except from a shelter if I were looking for another pet.
But if I were to buy another yorkie or any breed, it would be to the breed standard as close to it as possible being of pet quality with health being of the utmost importance.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

I personally have a real hard time with the fact that we CUT dogs tails just to meet a "standard", but that is just my point of view

I agree with you I'd love to leave the tails. I have a girl from Hungary and I love her long tail. She is a traditional colored yorkie.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

Perhaps I am a little biased... But it would be a Biewer for me!! Biva Biva Biva. I absolutely fell in love with their personalities as much as I did for my Yorkies' personality.
Besides that they are a stunningly beautiful little dog, it is their personalities that hooked me. That being said, if I had to choose between a Parti Yorkie and Biewer and everything was exactly the same between them except the TAIL, the tail would be the deal breaker.
I personally have a real hard time with the fact that we CUT dogs tails just to meet a "standard", but that is just my point of view
I can't imagine my Biewers without their tails!! But again, I kind of have a thing for tails, lol. I believe they are an integral part of all dogs personalities and their ability to communication

YouTube - everyday moments


Their personalities are pretty much the same as my Yorkie, except she has a little more "tude" than they do. Since AprilLove is my first Yorkie or Terrier, I don't really know what people mean by "terrier" like attributes. But I don't think she acts terrierish (is that a word? lol), her and the Biewers are all laid back, but perhaps that is how I raised them, i dunno.

I loveeeee a full tail!! I'm so glad that we didn't have them docked on Livi's babies....so stinkin' cute!