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04-03-2011, 05:50 AM
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Like it was said in a previous post at least it would be one less female to be bred to death at her home or another BYB program.
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04-03-2011, 06:01 AM
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| I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member  Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY
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| It is a tough decisions- I would probably say NO at this point. Its not the point of supporting a bad breeder, since you aren't paying for it. I have two Yorkies from BYB's. They are from a situation where a very nice girl thought it was okay for her two to have a litter (or two, obviously). I deal every day with the health problems associated with this kind of breeding. You have to consider that this could be an issue in the future, both of mine came home appearing very healthy and the vets thought they were very healthy for months with one, years with the other, until the health problems started to emerge. So this has to be something you are willing to deal with in the future. I was actually offered a free Yorkie a few weeks ago and turned it down because the next time I take one on, I want to know I have found the best and have the best chance of it being healthy. And I have seen first hand how expensive "free" puppies can be. But really its up to you- if you go into it knowing there may be health or behavior problems and you are ready to take on the challenge, go for it.
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04-03-2011, 07:12 AM
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| Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member  Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas
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| There's nothing tough about this decision. Take the puppy and get her spayed. Live happily ever after. 
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04-03-2011, 07:13 AM
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| Donating YT 500 Club Member  Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Austin, TX
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| I would probably take the pup if I was in your shoes. You will be taking a female that might otherwise go to somebody who won't be as responsible as you. You are going in with your eyes wide open so if your pup has any issues you are already prepared for them, right? Not that she won't be healthy and well-adjusted, but you never know. If your daughter is old enough to understand your choice I think you should explain it to her. That in itself would be a good lesson for her.
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04-03-2011, 07:16 AM
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| Hook Em! Bevo & Mack Donating Member  Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Texas
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| Wow...so many mixed opinions..just how I feel..."mixed up"! Answer to couple of your questions: 1st off, My daughter is 15 years old. She is a terrific kid. She does well in school, involved in many extra-curriclular activities, a cheerleader, helps me with a non-profit for needy children I head, respectful, etc. Shes just a good kid. We own a t-shirt business and she works for us. We treat her as any other employee and she works hard for her "spending" money. She has already bought food, a playpen, clothes, toys, etc for her future girl. Of course, she was really hoping Macs litter was going to give her that girl. She is mature and we have discussed finding a good breeder and taking our time. Although, she really wants a baby now, she was more than willing to wait for the right one. Of course, now she really has her hopes up of getting this pup. 2nd...I feel as some of you do. If we take this baby, I know it will be in a good, loving home never to be bred. I am also aware that she may have behavioral issues and possibly medical as well. Honestly, that doesnt scare me. Ive mentioned before that both of my children were never expected to make it and they did. Fortunatley, we are in the financial position to care for her if God forbid she does have problems. But at the same time....little Mac may have serious problems too....Do I want 2?? 3rd...the breeder. Her and I were just aquaintances in the beginning, and arent friends per say now, but we have obviously kept in touch because Macs mother is here at my home until he is weaned. I have now been to her home to see where she has her yorkies. Most are crated and she lets them have backyard time in the day. By no means, is it a good operation. You will be happy to hear that I have had numerous conversations with her over breeding, telling her all I have learned here. I really think Ive made a breakthough. She was letting pups go at 6-8 weeks. She now knows the importance of 12. I have talked with her about breeding smaller females and she now knows it is very unsafe and has promised not to do it again. She also has promised to have Macs mother spayed. She is wanting me to help her learn to breed "right", but I still feel it will be back yard breeding. The female yesterday was the 1st dog she has had sonogramed. I told her this was important to know how many in case of delivery problems, and she listened. I feel good knowing that maybe I am making a small difference by sharing the knowledge you all have taught me. With all that being said...I still have this blanket of guilt towering over me for considering to take this puppy. At least I have quite a while to decide. I dont know why I feel this way. I just want to do the RIGHT thing.
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04-03-2011, 07:25 AM
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04-03-2011, 08:21 AM
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Thank you for your wisdom. Hope this will help her with making a decision. You have to think about Health! Nothing is for free in life. I have transported 3 or 4 dogs for Ladyjane and believe me, they were gorgeous. You cant imagine how much she had to spend taking care and vetting these dogs produced by BYB'S. Thats my point. Nothing is for free. Sweety, good luck with your decision. We are here for you no matter what...Lissette | |
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04-03-2011, 08:28 AM
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04-03-2011, 08:35 AM
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| Senior Yorkie Talker  Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ky
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| I wish you luck in whatever you decide. |
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04-03-2011, 08:38 AM
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04-03-2011, 08:40 AM
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Good post. 
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04-03-2011, 08:51 AM
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| Ultimate Banner! Donating Member  Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: US
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| I vote for taking the puppy. Yes, there might be more issues with her since she is coming from a BYB, but at least she will be in a home where she can get the love and care she deserves. You can teach your daughter in this also. Taking this pup that may or may not be perfectly healthy is a way for you to keep her from being this woman's next breeder. You are keeping money out of her hands. She would sell the pup if she didn't give her to you. I'm not even on the fence with this one. Good luck to you.
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04-03-2011, 08:57 AM
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| Donating YT 1000 Club Member  Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| take all the dogs and bludgeun that byb, kidding tough call, but think of the lifelong health of the dog |
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04-03-2011, 10:24 AM
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| Donating YT 4000 Club Member  | It's good she's willing to learn, but she should really be searching out a good experienced mentor to help her do it. ArmaniMan already mentioned health and behavioral issues, so I won't bring it up again other than to say that you really should be concerned that she hasn't taken steps before this litter to improve her breeding stock. But something I haven't seen here is the mention that there won't necessarily BE a female in the litter. Will you be disappointed if there isn't and would you take another male instead? One other thing to consider is that having 2 young pups at the same time makes housebreaking all the more difficult. I was told that before I brought Scarlett home, but I thought it wouldn't be that bad. In hindsight, it's made for a whole lot of frustration that I could have done without. My heart would tell me NOT to take the dog and to continue on with the search for a good, reputable breeder. I wouldn't want to expose my daughter to the possibility of having another pup with health problems in addition to the ones that Mac might end up having.
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04-03-2011, 10:30 AM
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| YT Addict  Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario
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| I'm in the take the puppy court! Yes you might have health issues...but I don't mean to put anyone's noses out of joint...but you might have health issues with a reputable breeder as well (the difference is the odds are better you won't and there will be a health guarantee...but you will have spent $1200 or more). I stand firmly on the side of buying from reputable breeders...but in this case, take the free puppy, and put aside the money you would have spent on a "reputable" dog in a bank account for the health issues you might face with Mac and the new girl. Have her spayed, boys neutered...and maintain a friendship with this breeder. The fact that she is willing to change her practices is a good sign. Maybe when she realizes that breeding done well, does not make money, she'll decide to get out of the breeding business altogether. In the mean time, you have saved the puppy from going somewhere else to be possibly bred, you will give her a good home, and be able to financially care for any issues that arise. Win-Win-Win But for me the real question is: Do you really want to train two puppies at the same time??? Could be a bit crazy, but a lot of fun!! Look out Bevo |
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