I am the worst mom ever So, Bee went into heat & we were at my mom's & her 8 month old Havanese we didnt think could have sex yet & we were wrong, we thought he was too young :( so they did that & now I am worried about her having these puppies because he is 15 pounds & she is only 5 pounds, we called over 15 vets & all of them said that she will be fine. They have seen 5 pound dogs(females) have puppies with 25-30 pound dogs & be fine. I am taking her too the vet in a couple weeks so he can try & see how many there are so in a month or so. I asked about getting her fixed when I took her to Petsmart I went to the vet in there(without an appointment) I just asked the questions about it & he said that she will be fine giving birth & that putting her to sleep for the spay would be more dangerous because she is so small. I just feel like the worst Mommy ever :( I have been crying all week. |
You are not the worst Mom ever!!!!!!!!! You didn't think your Mom's dog was mature enough to be interested in your dog in heat. You can't beat yourself up over this. It's done. Now you have to prepare for Bee's babies. I know nothing about breeding and dog births but there are so many knowledgeable and experienced breeders here, that you can get so much information and advise from them. Good luck. Sending you both hugs! |
Oh Bee I am so sorry to hear this happened. I would definitely check with some of the more experienced breeders here for recommendations. I know they are always concerned when the mom is smaller that the dad. Sending you big hugs and prayers for Bee's safety! PM Mardelin or Woggie man I know they are very knowledgeable and helpful. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12370 or |
Aww no! You're a great mommy!! Everyone makes mistakes, its going to be alright! I'm sorry this happened but it was a mistake and you honestly did not know any better. Just take the necessary precautions needed to move forward and learn from this experience. You're a great mommy, I'm sure! |
Oh my! I am so sorry for sweet Bee! I know you love her so much. PLEASE seek the advice of the very experienced breeders like Woogieman and Mardelin before you make any firm decisions. Bee is so tiny....a 15 lb dog seems like a very big difference to me and I am very concerned for Bee. |
5 pounds is so very small but I am pretty sure 5 pound dogs can be spayed. Maybe they were concerned about her being spayed and being pregnant and the extra strain on her body? Are you for sure is with pups? I wish you the best of luck :) take heart....:) |
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Yes, my Peyton is only 3.5 lbs and was just under anesthesia today for about 45 minutes. I think the risks have to be weighed. The risk for anesthesia may be the lesser risk. I remember you posting about Bee acting different and you mentioned something about her going into heat, which meant that she wasn't spayed. I had a bad feeling when I read that. I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to offend you...you are such a sweet person. Now I really wish I had advised you then to have her spayed. :( |
I'm so sorry this had to happen. Dogs much smaller than 5 pounds are spayed every day however. I was very nervous as well (Sugar is only 3 pounds) My vet assured me that just the day before she spayed a 1.8 pound cat :eek: A 15 pound father's pups could very well be life threatening..... |
I would really consider finding a vet who will spay NOW- with a father so big- Bee could very well die during birth, she will very likely end up having to have an emergency c-section- so she will probably be experiencing surgery either way. I would not trust the vets at petsmart to vaccinate my dog let alone make decisions regarding a litter. |
Maybe you should get a second opinion? Vets are few and far between here and most are large animal vets...We were blessed to find our Dr. Williams... Anyway maybe you have more to chose from where you are? Maybe a vet that specializes in toys? If she could be spayed now and be spared the delivery the pros may weigh out the cons. |
Sweetie, you're not a bad mommy!!! We all know how much you love Bee! Things happen. I also think the breeders in the breeding section are much more educated to help you than I am. And I don't know how to say this nicely, but I'm not a huge fan of the Petsmart vets here by me. I'd want a second opinion from another vet. Also, i thought they had a morning after pill for pups too, but I might be mistaken. If you get her spayed now then there will be no puppies. And maybe just maybe the act didn't get her pregnant. As far as putting her to sleep for surgery, Bijou was 9 weeks old and 2.5 lbs and went through surgery for a broken back leg where she had a plate and screws put in to fix it, so she was under longer than necessary for a spay. So please ask around more before you decide. (((((Hugs))))) |
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I don't know how old your girl is.....if she is young her reproductive organs have not developed....these pups may very well be too large for her to pass vaginally.....a c-section will be in order, very expensive.....will she be able to produce enough milk to feed oversized dogs????? So much to consider. Accidents happen, but now it's up to you to do what your girl expects of you...take care of her, keep her safe. I hate to put another wrench into this.....but you will not be producing pure-bred dogs....if you should decide to take the responsibility and I hope you have homes for the pups. By the way.....boys can sire a litter as young as four months of age.... Think this over very carefully....you girl's life is at risk here and are you prepared to lose her and/or the litter. |
The risk of her having pups from that much larger male is alot greater than being put under aneshesia for a spay |
I agree with the others. A 5 pound little dog being mated with a much larger male , could present major problems during delievery. She might not be able to push out the puppies, and they could all die, even placing her at risk of death. I would not take the chance of this happening. It is more a risk to allow her to give birth then a spay. 5 pounds is not too small for spaying. Years ago my female cat was pregnant, before spaying, she was already showing a little, and I chose to have her spayed. Some vets charge a little more if the female is pregnant for a spay, or if the female is in heat. I am sorry about what occured , it was not intential. Accidental pregnancies happen . This does not mean you are a bad pet owner. A male dog can smell a female who is in heat miles away... That is why a male dog will wander off , to find some loving... I hope your female will be ok , this must be a hard choice to make. |
Wow 15 vets say she'll be fine, how do they know without doing x-rays? Please listen to Mardelin, she knows more than those vets do about whelping yorkies, and find a vet who is a repo-specialist. The vet at Pet Smart sounds like an idiot, what if she needs a cesarean? Best of luck! |
Buster had to have anesthesia for his hernia surgery and neutering when he was only 2 months old and 2 lbs. He then also had to be put under for his baby canine teeth to be removed at 8 months and LP surgery at 15 months. So while anesthesia is serious business so is whelping. I am sorry you and Bee are having to go through this. I would consult with a vet who is more experienced with smaller breeds. |
I would get another opinion... I really wouldn't trust a Petsmart vet for breeding/litter advice. I would trust Mary waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before a Petsmart vet. She knows what she is doing. :thumbup: A c-section is a real possibility and she would have to be put under anyway, plus all the extra risks that go along with the pregnancy... If it were my pup, I would be seeking another opinion and getting her spayed now. |
i agree with most of the others i would find a vet willing to do an emergency spay and at least protect little Bee from having to try and whelp pups that big. i would sure hate for anything to happen to her little self and it could be very very life threatening for her. a spay is MUCH MUCH safer IMHO. good luck and please do not beat yourself up for this matter. you didn't know and you wouldn't have done this on purpose we know that. go find you a good vet that is okay with spaying her now before the pups grow too big to have it done. she'll do fine in the spay don't let the risks scare you out of it. the risks of whelp far outweigh the spay. my pup was only about 3lbs when she was spayed and did just fine. i've seen them spay as little as a pound dog in our pet hospital and it woke up like nothing ever happened. good luck sweetie!! we love you and hope it all goes ok. let us know what you find out and decide. |
Hi Lauren here are some links for reproductive vets in Ohio http://www.whelpwise.com/testing/veterinarian-links.html http://www.northviewvet.com/ http://www.caillouxcavaliers.com/repro.htm http://vet.osu.edu/vmc/theriogenology-and-reproductive-medicine-service Google link http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=reproductive+vets+ohio&aq =f&aqi=&aql=&oq= |
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Just wanted to add... My Peyton is right now at the vet hospital because he hurt his leg. He hurt his leg because I made a very stupid decision to place him on a chair, he is too young to know to sit still like Sophia knows. I totally beat myself up and felt so much guilt...still do. On my thread someone said something that really struck home with me. It was Boopster who said, "Accidents happen to even the most careful people. It's how we respond to them that shows what we are made of." That statement along with so many others has really comforted me. We are here for you. I feel bad that you are so upset. Hang in there, we are here for you. {{{{{hugs}}}}} to you and Bee. |
Rosie was spayed and she is only 5 1/2 pounds. She did great! No problems at all. I was afraid to let her have babies. I know you must be torn on what to do. Hope you find the right answers soon!! |
I finally got the courage to have my 3 lb. Yorkie spayed years back and she did great but I understand your worry about the anesthesia. If it were me, I would be even more worried about such a small female trying to carry and even whelp such potentially large puppies. What if she just had one very, very large one? I would get her to a reputable second vet for another opinion as to whether or not she isn't at great risk with this pregnancy. |
My little guy was 2.2 lbs when he was put under anesthesia. I was a nervous wreck till I saw him. He literally acted as though nothing had happened when I picked him up. I wouldn't worry too much about her being put under anesthesia and emergency spayed. Your dog can handle it! You really have to think real hard if you want her to go through whelping puppies that may be too big and chance losing her. What I have learned on YT is that the breeders here...............know more than my vet about breeding and whelping these tiny dogs!!! I know nothing about breeding, but listen to the breeders - they truly are experts! |
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5 pounds is not too small at all to spay! Probably at least half of the spayed yorkies here are 5 pounds or under! An emergency spay is the way to go -- but only with a vet experienced with toy breeds! |
I'd listen to Mardelin and I'd look into a termination and spay if I was worried |
awww Lauren please don't beat yourself up about what happened....however any Vet that says its safe for a 5 lb yorkie to welp up to a 30 pound sire's babies is nutso!!! Bee is in much more danger trying to have those babies than to get an emergency spay....C-sections are very very costly...and sounds like she would absolutely have to have one in order to deliver the pups...I'd definitely get a second opinion....And I would trust Mardelin's advice over any Pet smart employee's opinion. Good luck and please let us know what you find out...and how you plan to proceed from here....Isn't Bee only a year old? She's so young. You know we're here to help and support you...sometimes the best and safest decision for your baby is not always the easiest thing to do, but her life could seriously be put at risk if you allow her to continue with the pregnancy. |
Any update on this thread- Have you decided to go through with the litter? |
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