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RachelandSadie 04-12-2011 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 3497409)
Some of these posts got me curious...

A havanese is a toy dog. How is this any different than those that breed yorkies with dachshunds, miniature poodles, miniature schnauzers, etc. When those breeding take place, is it usually the female that is the larger of the two breeds & the male the smaller?

Sorry, if it's a silly question. I admit to being ignorant in this. I've never bred an animal and have no intention of ever doing it. In fact, my pup has a vet appt for last puppy shots tomorrow and we will be discussing spaying :)
If a bitch is bred to a stud of a different breed that is much larger there is no good way to tell how large the pups will be. If the pups growing inside the bitch are too large they will not be able to come down the birth canal and a C-section will be neccessary which is costly, dangerous, and hard to recover from for a wee one. Also if the stud throws very large pups there is a chance they could grow so large in her her uterus that it bursts and could kill the female and the puppies.

None of this should be dealt with at all, let alone with a young lady with NO breeding experience and a dog that is under a year old. :mad::thumbdown

RachelandSadie 04-12-2011 06:22 PM
i wanted to add. this is like me have anywhere from 2-8 babies inside my belly all weighing about 10lbs each as a human example. That dog is 5lbs and those pups could be a 1/2 to a 1lb each. If there are 5 pups that's more than the mother weighs.

think about trying to pass 5 ten lb babies through your birth canal...not happenin

btw this is a very exaggerated example***

KazzyK810 04-12-2011 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3497418)
think about trying to pass 5 ten lb babies through your birth canal...not happenin

btw this is a very exaggerated example***
As a woman that was knocked out cold for both my c-sections....you have no idea how bad that comment had me squirming :eek:

yikes!!! lol

scrapindee 04-12-2011 06:27 PM
Wow. There is 118 posts on this thread. The girl needs to be spayed. She shouldn't be allowed to carry this pregnancy to whelp--it will mostly kill her. The poster knows this. The post should not be about Loren any more. It is about Bee. Either she wants Bee to live--spay her. Or she wants to whine to YT, about the mistakes she made, and she will let this girl whelp puppies that will probably kill her. Plain and simple.

Mardelin 04-12-2011 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 3497409)
Some of these posts got me curious...

A havanese is a toy dog. How is this any different than those that breed yorkies with dachshunds, miniature poodles, miniature schnauzers, etc. When those breeding take place, is it usually the female that is the larger of the two breeds & the male the smaller?

Sorry, if it's a silly question. I admit to being ignorant in this. I've never bred an animal and have no intention of ever doing it. In fact, my pup has a vet appt for last puppy shots tomorrow and we will be discussing spaying :)
We are now getting into breeding 101. And a breeding class would need to be taught.

Again, breeding a smaller male to a larger female is a misnomer....more to consider that just that....one must know a dog's pedigree inside and out before mating the two .... It isn't always the female that is larger.

But, think about it if you're breeding a yorkie to dachsund, poodle, schnauzer...you are breeding a mutt (and nothing mean about it)......

Baby Teddy 04-12-2011 06:30 PM
The title of your thread is "I am the worst mom ever".... Why not change this and be the best mom ever for Bee and get her spayed. Do you really want to face the possible consequences of Bee having these babies? Think about it like this...how would you feel if Bee was no longer in your life....would you be able to deal with that guilt? You do seem like you care for Bee deeply...so why would you even consider putting her through this?

MyLilyRose 04-12-2011 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 3497430)
Wow. There is 118 posts on this thread. The girl needs to be spayed. She shouldn't be allowed to carry this pregnancy to whelp--it will mostly kill her. The poster knows this. The post should not be about Loren any more. It is about Bee. Either she wants Bee to live--spay her. Or she wants to whine to YT, about the mistakes she made, and she will let this girl whelp puppies that will probably kill her. Plain and simple.
I honestly felt bad for her when she said she had been crying and her feelings were hurt. I guess I have a tendency to put my emotions in the wrong place :confused:. But I have been keeping up with this thread and EVERYONE seems to believe that Bee should be spayed..they are giving helpful advice and not being rude at all. Maybe Lauren wanted everyone to be gearing their posts towards her, not Bee. I understand that she feels bad, but this is no time to be thinking of one's self when there is a life at stake. Remember, Bee is a living, breathing thing. As I am now understanding the many MANY risks and how dangerous it will be for Bee to have these puppies, I guess I am gonna go ahead and play Devil's advocate- PLEASE get her spayed.

Mardelin 04-12-2011 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 3497430)
Wow. There is 118 posts on this thread. The girl needs to be spayed. She shouldn't be allowed to carry this pregnancy to whelp--it will mostly kill her. The poster knows this. The post should not be about Loren any more. It is about Bee. Either she wants Bee to live--spay her. Or she wants to whine to YT, about the mistakes she made, and she will let this girl whelp puppies that will probably kill her. Plain and simple.
I'll go back to the title of this thread "I am the worst mom ever"......maybe not, but not a responsible owner. Bee is unspayed and in her 2nd heat, allowed out during that heat, unsupervised. Or maybe at this point bordering on animal abuse.

Taryn0405 04-12-2011 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3497450)
I'll go back to the title of this thread "I am the worst mom ever"......maybe not, but not a responsible owner. Bee is unspayed and in her 2nd heat, allowed out during that heat, unsupervised. Or maybe at this point bordering on animal abuse.
I agree on the abuse part. Granted, I've already said my bit.

Mardelin 04-12-2011 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3497416)
If a bitch is bred to a stud of a different breed that is much larger there is no good way to tell how large the pups will be. If the pups growing inside the bitch are too large they will not be able to come down the birth canal and a C-section will be neccessary which is costly, dangerous, and hard to recover from for a wee one. Also if the stud throws very large pups there is a chance they could grow so large in her her uterus that it bursts and could kill the female and the puppies.

None of this should be dealt with at all, let alone with a young lady with NO breeding experience and a dog that is under a year old. :mad::thumbdown
Rachel,

I've witnessed a pefectly healthy female yorkie of good size and bred to a normal sized yorkie.....5 pups concieved.....she carried well, healthy throughout the gestation period. Contractions begin, pup 1 whelped, pup 2 whelped, pup 3 whelped....things start lagging but pup 4 whelped.....now momma get's tired, things aren't progressing in the specified time-frame. Off we go to emergency. C-section.....mom had no more stamina or elasticity left to push out the last pup.....This was with normal size pups....Can you imagine what is going to happen to Bee.....these pups are from a larger breed, more than likely (if Bee is healthy throughout her gestation) get large. Will she dilate to pass them, will she have the stamina to deliver them all, her vaginal opening can rip. Not to mention her uterus can rip while the pups are in the gestation period....yep! big infection......So, many things to consider.

Woogie Man 04-12-2011 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3497472)
Rachel,

I've witnessed a pefectly healthy female yorkie of good size and bred to a normal sized yorkie.....5 pups concieved.....she carried well, healthy throughout the gestation period. Contractions begin, pup 1 whelped, pup 2 whelped, pup 3 whelped....things start lagging but pup 4 whelped.....now momma get's tired, things aren't progressing in the specified time-frame. Off we go to emergency. C-section.....mom had no more stamina or elasticity left to push out the last pup.....This was with normal size pups....Can you imagine what is going to happen to Bee.....these pups are from a larger breed, more than likely (if Bee is healthy throughout her gestation) get large. Will she dilate to pass them, will she have the stamina to deliver them all, her vaginal opening can rip. Not to mention her uterus can rip while the pups are in the gestation period....yep! big infection......So, many things to consider.
I've had this happen with a 5 pound bitch, of good structure, delivering a 3 1/2 ounce pup. I shudder to think of the possibilities with Bee.

Bitsy 04-12-2011 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3497489)
I've had this happen with a 5 pound bitch, of good structure, delivering a 3 1/2 ounce pup. I shudder to think of the possibilities with Bee.
I agree. :( These same thoughts have crossed my mind.

Baby Teddy 04-12-2011 07:04 PM
I strongly believe that no animal should ever have to suffer. Since you know Bee was impregnanted by a much larger dog, the most humane thing to do is to have an emergency spay. How could you put Bee through this? It is bordering animal abuse. What exactly did you expect people to say to you when you posted your initial post? You came here for advice....you are getting advice from knowledgable EXPERIENCED breeders and your only response is that YOUR FEELINGS ARE HURT? What about Bee? Shouldn't this be about HER? And what is best for HER?

cheryl19 04-13-2011 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3497450)
I'll go back to the title of this thread "I am the worst mom ever"......maybe not, but not a responsible owner. Bee is unspayed and in her 2nd heat, allowed out during that heat, unsupervised. Or maybe at this point bordering on animal abuse.
:thumbup::thumbup: What would she think would happen with a unspayed bitch and a unneutered male?? Looking for "cute puppies"??? I just hope I'm just being mean and she has already been to the vets.

Deuce 04-13-2011 02:18 AM
Well, the OP has logged in recently, just hasn't given any updates. I suppose her feelings were hurt to bad because of the concern YTr's have for Bee's health.
OP please give updates and let us know how Bee is and what you've decided to do.


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