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I have to side with the apparently unpopular, but overwhelming opinion that an emergency spay should be strongly considered. And I don't think I've ever posted that. I try to picture my little 5 lb Lucy going through with a whelp with much larger puppies; I could not do that to my little Lucy. I would not risk her life. Yes, accidents happen and no one has blamed you for that. But, now, you must step up and take care of your 5 lb little one. It's about HER and what's best for HER. And, I must say, I believe that everyone has posted with remarkable restraint. This would not be a hard decision for me - at all. |
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Send me some baby pics of your furbutts so I get my "fix". ;) |
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If she feels so convinced Bee will be okay, based on phone calls to 15 vets, then she should be doing the research to make sure that is the truth, especially when her pup's life is at risk. I hate to think anyone would be so spiteful as to withhold help for this little dog because the OP didn't take their advice.[/QUOTE] In some cases things may turn out ok and I pray Bee does come out ok. But, those that do make it ok, it's usually with an experienced, well prepared person overseeing the whelp. Bee's owner has fallen apart and made this all about herself. A good breeder anticipates and prepares for the worst and prays for the best. Crying and falling apart is not what Bee needs....she needs a strong owner that she can trust will make everything safe for her. Bee was put into this unfortunate situation by not making the right choices for her to begin with. To insure she has a long healthy life, it'll take making the right choices for her from here on out. I'm not sure if Bee's breeder would be very happy. But, if Bee was of my breeding and an unauthorized breeding took place (and this is within my contract along with a spay/nueter clause) I would be there to confiscate this little girl and I'd have her at the vets making sure that she had every opportunity for a continued healthy, happy life. |
Honestly I can't see her giving birth to large puppies the mere thought makes me cringe. For her health and well being I would absolutly have her spayed . No question about it at all |
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"I asked about getting her fixed when I took her to Petsmart I went to the vet in there(without an appointment) I just asked the questions about it & he said that she will be fine giving birth & that putting her to sleep for the spay would be more dangerous because she is so small. I just feel like the worst Mommy ever I have been cryingk all week." Quote This bothers me, the vet said Bee will be fine giving birth, but putting her under will be more dangerous???? Im not a breeder and that sounds crazy to me! Goes to show vets are not breeders, I would listen to the breeders on YT than that Vet ANYDAY!! |
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op.. you are saying people are rude because they are not saying what you want to hear. I have read over the post.. all I see is people who are just astounded that you think you are doing the right thing by letting your bee have the puppies that may/ most likely will kill her. I really don't know what to say to you.. and now I am sure you think I am rude. so be it. Btw... Remy was 3.5 lbs and 14 mos. old when she was spay.. no problems- so her being too small or too young doesn't hold water. |
Wow, just got done reading this thread. Alot of drama seems to have stirred up and honestly, I don't think any of the YT peeps started it. Even though it's common sense not to leave a female in heat anywhere, let alone with a non-fixed male, you (the OP) did and these are the consequences. You now have put to risk your baby's life. And instead of people digitally smacking you upside the head, many people were kind and agreed that mistakes happen, and that now it's your turn to be responsible and take the best actions possible. Another thing...If you believed these 15 supposed vet calls and they all told you to "Yes go ahead and like a five pound Yorkie give birth to a sire who is 15+ pounds" then why in the heck are you on here basically trying to convince us to give you sympathy? Normally, I'm not mean or harsh. But damn woman use your brain. I know you're not dumb. This is common sense. I read the whole thread and not one comment was rude, in fact members were begging you to respond so we knew the status of Bee. So, since you don't seem to respond well to sympathy, which everyone else has given you, I'll give you the blunt truth. You have put your dog's life at risk. If she passes away while trying to birth these puppies despite the fact that you talked to "15 vets" then you're to blame, and you should be ashamed. This is selfish and down right sad. One last thing, I don't really care if I hurt your feelings, it's Bee that I care about. Not your delicate sensibilities. If you plan on responding to how I hurt your feelings I don't really care. I simply care for Bee and that maybe being harsh to you about basically abusing your dog will maybe guilt you into doing the right thing. I'm done here. It's too sad. |
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I pmed you everything on my heart and got no response. After making Bee the most beautiful leopard blanket and seeing her all snuggled inside and literally tearing up because she was so precious and it made my heart soar that she liked that blanket and now here we are and i care so much and invested my heart into your situation with LOVE and not with Hatred or anger...and you do not even respond to my PM. That hurts me Lauren. I thought that we were friends and I thought you were a much much better YTer that that! i'm hurt and upset with you right now. Hurt that you wouldn't even respond and upset that it's so obvious how wrong making Bee carry these puppies is and yet you don't seem to care but rather just want to keep the pups. I'm very sad for Bee and very hurt and upset with you. All i can say is I thought you were better and smarter than that. Sure the preg was an oops mistake and it does happen. but you have the opportunity to right a wrong and you won't and it makes me physically ILL to think of it. |
Some of these posts got me curious... A havanese is a toy dog. How is this any different than those that breed yorkies with dachshunds, miniature poodles, miniature schnauzers, etc. When those breeding take place, is it usually the female that is the larger of the two breeds & the male the smaller? Sorry, if it's a silly question. I admit to being ignorant in this. I've never bred an animal and have no intention of ever doing it. In fact, my pup has a vet appt for last puppy shots tomorrow and we will be discussing spaying :) |
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