I am the worst mom ever

[MyLilyRose]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

By the way I use to live in Colleyville - you're a bit north of where I use to live....but, would not hesitate traveling the 26 miles into Dallas......

114 to 635 off on Jupiter or is it the 114 to 121 to 635.

Thank you! I do not mind driving into Dallas. It beats driving somewhere close and they end up not knowing what they are doing...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by MyLilyRose

Thank you! I do not mind driving into Dallas. It beats driving somewhere close and they end up not knowing what they are doing...

Believe me it is worth the drive. This man is the greatest. If he doesn't know what is wrong with your dog he's not afraid to admit it and will send you to a specialist to find out. Ask Manolo's Mom....She contacted me about her little Lola...she'd been suffering from bloody diarreah and losing weight, all her tests showed nothing...I sent her to doc.....after almost two years of treatment, little Lola's hysto fungus is down below a % point....only 3 to 6 months more on treatment to insure she is fungus free.

[JESSY_RN2B]

I would not suggest this thread be closed because it might get out of hand, but because no YT member should be exposed to worrying about an innocent yorkie in which the owner clearly refuses life saving advice.

If she so chooses to risk her life despite great, pleading advice then so be it but OP should be banned from further exposing her issues and unwillingness to follow expert advice (per her original request).

Lets stop being Mother Theresa and speak bluntly for the advocacy of this little yorkies sake.
Her actions/decision disturb me

[JESSY_RN2B]

Edit: my phone sux. meant to say.....


If she so chooses to risk her life despite great, pleading advice then so be it but OP should be banned from further exposing her issues and unwillingness to follow expert advice (per her original request) THEN SO BE IT!

[Woogie Man]

I can only add 'ditto' to the opinions offered here. This would be a VERY risky pregnancy to let go to term. The 300% size difference alone just screams 'danger'! It's not so much the breed difference....it's the size. Mardelin listed some very likely complications both for the whelp and for after.

A couple things I would add. You say you've been so upset that you haven't gone to work, so I take it you have a job. Any job would have to take a back seat to the care of the Mom and pups. And critical care needs could start very early with the Mom...well before her due date and continue on until the pups were weaned, at least. That's assuming things somehow went relatively well.

I know it may be upsetting to think of terminating the pups, but consider this. They are not yet 'pups' but the longer you wait, the greater emotional toll it will take on you to terminate. I just had a cat spayed that was very pregnant (long story that I won't go into here). She came through the procedure fine. I felt pangs of guilt about doing it but knew it was for the best.

I'm not one to easily say to just spay a pregnant dog but, in your case, I feel it is for the best. I wish you the best in making this decision...but please consider all that has been posted here.

[Lizzie07]

Originally Posted by BeyonceMomma23

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I felt like you were saying "I wish we could get an update" in a mean way & laughing with others. When I am honestly upset about this, I have barley eaten in 2 weeks since this happened & I have been so sick to my stomach I havent been able to even leave my house not even for work. Everyone most likely thinks I dont care about Bee which isnt the thing, because I wouldnt be so upset that I have lose 10 pounds in 2 weeks if I wasnt

I have called reproductive vets & breeders, all saying that she will be fine 99.9% likely, as long as I get an xray the week before she is due to make sure all the puppies are small enough. As of right now I dont 100% positively know what I am doing, but I am thinking about letting her go on with her pregnancy, because she will be fine, they ALL said. "toy reproductive vets" said she would be. I am not for sure yet. But I dont know why I would "get rid" of something that could be BEAUTIFUL & I will get her spayed afterwards either way. I dont know. I just feel so alone when YT usually made me feel like I had millions of supporters ALWAYS even if it wasnt about Bee.
Thanks,
Lauren

I'm just now reading all this, and I'm sorry the whole thing is happening. From what I have read, I thought that when breeding most small dogs, the male is usually smaller than the female to try to avoid problems. Not just with the delivery, but for the mother's health during the pregnancy itself. Also, is the point of an xray to determine if the mother can deliver the puppies safely? What about being able to carry them safely to term?

This isn't a personal issue for me, so I am not emotionally invested like you are, but I don't think anyone was being nasty or mean in their posts, at least, I didn't read any that way.

I think you have the advantage now of being a member of this forum and there is a ton of information for you to read and prepare for the puppies and delivery. Research and learn everything you can about dogs whelping and all the signs of trouble a dog can have with delivery. It might help with the stress you are feeling over this. Also, I am sure there are members on this forum who are willing to help you when the time comes.

I wish you and your baby well and really hope you don't take anything anyone says badly, I don't think it was meant that way. Everyone really cares about Bee and just want to know she is okay.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

Edit: my phone sux. meant to say.....


If she so chooses to risk her life despite great, pleading advice then so be it but OP should be banned from further exposing her issues and unwillingness to follow expert advice (per her original request) THEN SO BE IT!

Hey Jess how's the little one?

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Hey Jess how's the little one?

Shes great. Were enjoying the nice weather. Had a nice day off together. Thank you for asking

[Mardelin]

[QUOTE=Lizzie07;3497251]I'm just now reading all this, and I'm sorry the whole thing is happening. From what I have read, I thought that when breeding most small dogs, the male is usually smaller than the female to try to avoid problems. Not just with the delivery, but for the mother's health during the pregnancy itself. Also, is the point of an xray to determine if the mother can deliver the puppies safely? What about being able to carry them safely to term?

This isn't a personal issue for me, so I am not emotionally invested like you are, but I don't think anyone was being nasty or mean in their posts, at least, I didn't read any that way.

I think you have the advantage now of being a member of this forum and there is a ton of information for you to read and prepare for the puppies and delivery. Research and learn everything you can about dogs whelping and all the signs of trouble a dog can have with delivery. It might help with the stress you are feeling over this. Also, I am sure there are members on this forum who are willing to help you when the time comes.

I wish you and your baby well and really hope you don't take anything anyone says badly, I don't think it was meant that way. Everyone really cares about Bee and just want to know she is okay.[/QUOTE]

The above highlighted is definately a misnomer in the yorkie breed. The mother controls the size of the pup while in utero. That is if it is a yorkie to yorkie breeding. Now in this case the yorkie was bred to a much larger breed, the pups will be larger, no ands, ifs or buts.

In your statement of YT members being there to help with the whelp. Two thoughts on that. The OP came on asking for expert advice it was given, and I don't think the OP liked the advice. That being said, I'm not so sure assistance will be readily given with someone that is not receptive to advice.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

Shes great. Were enjoying the nice weather. Had a nice day off together. Thank you for asking

She sure is a beauty......

Almost had a little girl for you.....one that was being kept for show and didn't work out....however, someone else was already in line....but, were kind of iffy....couldn't make up their mind on a maltese or yorkie.

[FlDebra]

I had to read through the thread again and I STILL DO NOT SEE anything remotely rude, nasty and mean -- especially nothing to warrant the hysterics of "crying and feeling like giving up."

The OP says she does not want to make it all about her yet, that is what the posts are all about -- HER feeling no support, HER crying all week, HER not being able to eat, HER having an upset stomach, HER not being able to leave the house, HER not being able to work, HER losing 10 pounds, and on and on and on...... Nothing about how this little yorkie girl is doing or what MIGHT be happening to her! Do you know how many posts the OP made without even mentioning her dog's name? THIS IS ALL ABOUT BEE! Her life and death!

No one here was mean, nasty and unsupportive. Just the opposite. People offered help, empathy, sympathy, researched links, offered experiences and advice. People genuinely tried to help. But they are told that they are mean, rude, most are nasty, they are laughing at you, and that they can "buzz off!" Who is the nasty one?

Could it be that you (the OP) had stealed yourself ahead of time for a lecture or rant on letting your girl get impregnanted by a dog 3 times her size? Could that preconceived notion of yours somehow colored your view of the responses actually given? Could you be feeling guilty and somehow projecting that? I don't know the answers -- just something to think about.

I find it amazing that you found 15 toy reproductive vets! I have never heard of even one billing themselves as that let alone 15 -- and not only did you find them, get them on the phone, but ALL of them gave you advice and a prognostication that Bee could carry this litter of unknown composition to term without the benefit of an exam or imagining? Amazing, indeed. Not saying I am doubting this -- just all sorts of amazed. If this is what you are basing your ignoring all of the advice from seasoned yorkie breeders with years of experience with real dogs, experts in the Yorkie breeding world -- I would reconsider. I have found their advice invaluable! They have saved the lives of many pups and momma dogs here. They genuinely care about yorkies! They can help!

If you found the other posts here so nastly, you may not like mine any better. I do hope you take it in the spirit offered though. I would help you in any way, research advice, contact experts, relay my limited expereinces, offer support for Bee in any way. I won't mollycoddle adults though. You have to be strong and stand up for your dog. She is counting on you to be mature and make the right decision to give her the best life possible. You can do it -- you know what should be done!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

Shes great. Were enjoying the nice weather. Had a nice day off together. Thank you for asking

I love those blinking little eyes in your Avatar. First time I saw that out of the corner of my eye I jumped, then laughed out loud.

[Lizzie07]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

[QUOTE=Lizzie07;3497251]I'm just now reading all this, and I'm sorry the whole thing is happening. From what I have read, I thought that when breeding most small dogs, the male is usually smaller than the female to try to avoid problems. Not just with the delivery, but for the mother's health during the pregnancy itself. Also, is the point of an xray to determine if the mother can deliver the puppies safely? What about being able to carry them safely to term?

This isn't a personal issue for me, so I am not emotionally invested like you are, but I don't think anyone was being nasty or mean in their posts, at least, I didn't read any that way.

I think you have the advantage now of being a member of this forum and there is a ton of information for you to read and prepare for the puppies and delivery. Research and learn everything you can about dogs whelping and all the signs of trouble a dog can have with delivery. It might help with the stress you are feeling over this. Also, I am sure there are members on this forum who are willing to help you when the time comes.

I wish you and your baby well and really hope you don't take anything anyone says badly, I don't think it was meant that way. Everyone really cares about Bee and just want to know she is okay.

The above highlighted is definately a misnomer in the yorkie breed. The mother controls the size of the pup while in utero. That is if it is a yorkie to yorkie breeding. Now in this case the yorkie was bred to a much larger breed, the pups will be larger, no ands, ifs or buts.

In your statement of YT members being there to help with the whelp. Two thoughts on that. The OP came on asking for expert advice it was given, and I don't think the OP liked the advice. That being said, I'm not so sure assistance will be readily given with someone that is not receptive to advice.[/QUOTE]

See, there you go, the OP really needs to start doing a ton of research if she doesn't want to take any of the advice, and I will add well meaning advice, of the experienced breeders on this forum.

If she feels so convinced Bee will be okay, based on phone calls to 15 vets, then she should be doing the research to make sure that is the truth, especially when her pup's life is at risk.

I hate to think anyone would be so spiteful as to withhold help for this little dog because the OP didn't take their advice.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I had to read through the thread again and I STILL DO NOT SEE anything remotely rude, nasty and mean -- especially nothing to warrant the hysterics of "crying and feeling like giving up."

The OP says she does not want to make it all about her yet, that is what the posts are all about -- HER feeling no support, HER crying all week, HER not being able to eat, HER having an upset stomach, HER not being able to leave the house, HER not being able to work, HER losing 10 pounds, and on and on and on...... Nothing about how this little yorkie girl is doing or what MIGHT be happening to her! Do you know how many posts the OP made without even mentioning her dog's name? THIS IS ALL ABOUT BEE! Her life and death!

No one here was mean, nasty and unsupportive. Just the opposite. People offered help, empathy, sympathy, researched links, offered experiences and advice. People genuinely tried to help. But they are told that they are mean, rude, most are nasty, they are laughing at you, and that they can "buzz off!" Who is the nasty one?

Could it be that you (the OP) had stealed yourself ahead of time for a lecture or rant on letting your girl get impregnanted by a dog 3 times her size? Could that preconceived notion of yours somehow colored your view of the responses actually given? Could you be feeling guilty and somehow projecting that? I don't know the answers -- just something to think about.

I find it amazing that you found 15 toy reproductive vets! I have never heard of even one billing themselves as that let alone 15 -- and not only did you find them, get them on the phone, but ALL of them gave you advice and a prognostication that Bee could carry this litter of unknown composition to term without the benefit of an exam or imagining? Amazing, indeed. Not saying I am doubting this -- just all sorts of amazed. If this is what you are basing your ignoring all of the advice from seasoned yorkie breeders with years of experience with real dogs, experts in the Yorkie breeding world -- I would reconsider. I have found their advice invaluable! They have saved the lives of many pups and momma dogs here. They genuinely care about yorkies! They can help!

If you found the other posts here so nastly, you may not like mine any better. I do hope you take it in the spirit offered though. I would help you in any way, research advice, contact experts, relay my limited expereinces, offer support for Bee in any way. I won't mollycoddle adults though. You have to be strong and stand up for your dog. She is counting on you to be mature and make the right decision to give her the best life possible. You can do it -- you know what should be done!

I agree 100% I said the same thing about the mean comments, I couldn't see anything rude from fellow Yters. I honestly think this is about her and not Bee, which is very sad. Hopefully she will have Bee spayed and let this issue be done. IMO she should of had her spayed awhile ago, but she didnt so why wouldnt she do what was right? I would do anything in my power to make sure Pnut was ok, I know thats how all members think, we all put our dogs first.(sigh) I hope she does what is right.

[Candibee]

This thread is...I don't even know. OP your pup being 5lbs should be NO reason not to have her spayed!! I had Silver spayed at exactly 6months and she was only 5lbs! She did great and was trying to run around the next day! I agree with some of the other posts about maybe you just wanted some pups with no regard on whether Bee lives or not.