Blue baby born...have questions!!

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

They weren't referring to the pup in this current breeding, the blue born one that you are keeping.

As stated previously, in order for this pup to be blue born, it had to get the gene from both parents, so both your male and this female should be spayed/neutered and not used again for breeding so as not to pass along this gene again.

You also said that your male had been used in a previous breeding. Since your male is now known to be a carrier, the pups in the FIRST breeding will have a 50% chance of inheriting the bad gene from him, so they should not be used for breeding, either. Whoever ended up with those pups needs to know so that they do not breed them and risk passing on this gene.

Luckily, there are labs that can test for this D gene, so if one of the people who purchased a pup from the litter want's to breed, have the dog coat color tested to be sure the results are DD and not Dd (he'd be a carrier if he had a little d in the results). If he's DD, than there is no problem and he's not a carrier ... it's a 40.00 test.

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Luckily, there are labs that can test for this D gene, so if one of the people who purchased a pup from the litter want's to breed, have the dog coat color tested to be sure the results are DD and not Dd (he'd be a carrier if he had a little d in the results). If he's DD, than there is no problem and he's not a carrier ... it's a 40.00 test.

Awesome!! Thanks for the info! I wonder if most vets can admin the test? Im still shocked that my male is a carrier. And if a blue born pup wasnt born, I guess I would never have known.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by KendraE

Awesome!! Thanks for the info! I wonder if most vets can admin the test? Im still shocked that my male is a carrier. And if a blue born pup wasnt born, I guess I would never have known.

It's a simple test, you have to order cheek swab test kit from a lab that tests for coat colors - yours being the D locus test - you can do it yourself (it's easy).

I posted a lab link earlier in this thread, if you have any questions, you can PM me.

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

It's a simple test, you have to order cheek swab test kit from a lab that tests for coat colors - yours being the D locus test - you can do it yourself (it's easy).

I posted a lab link earlier in this thread, if you have any questions, you can PM me.

Thank you!

[miabellaamoure]

Im curious if you thought to do any testing prior to allowing Bevmo out to stud? Or did you consider having proof of health from the females that were bred with him?

These are the things that make responsible breeding...unfortunately, without them, these are the end results.

I'm also wondering why the breeder of this female, who now has a blue puppy would permit this puppy to be going anywhere. I'm surprised there would not be a clause in either of your contracts stating the pick of the litter would be a "healthy" pup.

Too much risk to never be sure that if this puppy survives, would not be bred again. Not saying that you would be so irresponsible but, the whole situation is just not sounding like responsible breeding.

[concretegurl]

I thought she said neither of them were "breeders" just two people with unaltered dogs...wanting pups...and this is what happened.

Really good point, I'm curious about that now too maybe I misunderstood.

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

Im curious if you thought to do any testing prior to allowing Bevmo out to stud? Or did you consider having proof of health from the females that were bred with him?

These are the things that make responsible breeding...unfortunately, without them, these are the end results.

I'm also wondering why the breeder of this female, who now has a blue puppy would permit this puppy to be going anywhere. I'm surprised there would not be a clause in either of your contracts stating the pick of the litter would be a "healthy" pup.

Too much risk to never be sure that if this puppy survives, would not be bred again. Not saying that you would be so irresponsible but, the whole situation is just not sounding like responsible breeding.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I thought she said neither of them were "breeders" just two people with unaltered dogs...wanting pups...and this is what happened.

Really good point, I'm curious about that now too maybe I misunderstood.

Anytime you allow your unaltered pets to "mate"...that makes you a breeder in my book...

This was not the first time either from her prior posts...

[KendraE]

No, I am not a breeder....not usually anyway! Lol.... I have bred Bevo twice and yes, hindsight it was probably an irresponsible thing to do. The 1st time I bred him, my father in law had just passed away after learning 3 months prior he had cancer. He was only 54. I bred Bevo to have a pup to give to my mother in law. I am so attatched to my baby and didn't want her to be alone. Both pups were beautiful and are alot bigger than their daddy. Everything went perfect. People are always asking if they can use Bevo as a stud. He is small, has a perfect little Teddy bear face and ears that reach for the moon. But, I always decline. Now the 2nd breeding..... My son and daughter have had toy poodles all their lives. My daughters died about a year and a half ago, and my sons a few months ago, both of old age. (my kids are 13 & 15 and have had their dogs their entire lives) ( and we NEVER bred them either! Lol) My daughter has been in love with Bevo for as long as we have had him, but he clings to me like a toddler, and she has been begging for quite some time for her own. Sooooo, hence the 2nd breeding. Thought it would be great to know EXACTLY where the pup came from and have our own. Yes, there is a contract, that does state healthy pup, but this baby is sweet and beautiful and he can't help he was born a " mutant". I cannot turn my back on him. I have visited him everyday and will bring him home and love him no matter how he turns out. I feel that IS my responsibility for making the decision to let Bevo breed without doing the proper test first. I will not be breeding him again as that was never my intentions anyway! I KNOW I should have done things so differently, so before you judge me, plz know I love my Bevo and would never have done anything to intentionally put a puppy at risk. Since this baby's birth, I have done countless hours of research and am very optimistic of his future. My vet who has yorkies had never even heard of it, but will be preparing for potentional problems in the future. Thank you all for your replies. I will now go And bow my head in shame for not properly breeding!

[KendraE]

No, I am not a breeder....not usually anyway! Lol.... I have bred Bevo twice and yes, hindsight it was probably an irresponsible thing to do. The 1st time I bred him, my father in law had just passed away after learning 3 months prior he had cancer. He was only 54. I bred Bevo to have a pup to give to my mother in law. I am so attatched to my baby and didn't want her to be alone. Both pups were beautiful and are alot bigger than their daddy. Everything went perfect. People are always asking if they can use Bevo as a stud. He is small, has a perfect little Teddy bear face and ears that reach for the moon. But, I always decline. Now the 2nd breeding..... My son and daughter have had toy poodles all their lives. My daughters died about a year and a half ago, and my sons a few months ago, both of old age. (my kids are 13 & 15 and have had their dogs their entire lives) ( and we NEVER bred them either! Lol) My daughter has been in love with Bevo for as long as we have had him, but he clings to me like a toddler, and she has been begging for quite some time for her own. Sooooo, hence the 2nd breeding. Thought it would be great to know EXACTLY where the pup came from and have our own. Yes, there is a contract, that does state healthy pup, but this baby is sweet and beautiful and he can't help he was born a " mutant". I cannot turn my back on him. I have visited him everyday and will bring him home and love him no matter how he turns out. I feel that IS my responsibility for making the decision to let Bevo breed without doing the proper test first. I will not be breeding him again as that was never my intentions anyway! I KNOW I should have done things so differently, so before you judge me, plz know I love my Bevo and would never have done anything to intentionally put a puppy at risk. Since this baby's birth, I have done countless hours of research and am very optimistic of his future. My vet who has yorkies had never even heard of it, but will be preparing for potentional problems in the future. Thank you all for your replies. I will now go And bow my head in shame for not properly breeding!

[concretegurl]

miabellaamoure- "breeder" yes, you are right. I forget the various usages of the term basic and finite...perhaps adjectives for description, specifying the type of breeder. I see your point, anyone who allows unaltered dogs to mate is also to be called a breeder...generally speaking.

I just usually think of a breeder being someone who shows, or is extremely knowledgeable in the breed they uh, breed and does the basics (or what should be basics) in health testing, screening, understands matching two breeding quality dogs, registers their litters...someone whom has a "kennel" or is 'really into it'-somewhat certified I don't know how by who but something-beyond being a "hobby breeder" and so forth.

I just took the storyline as the OP wanted a pup and so did a friend and both had unaltered dogs...so she studded her dog out for pick of the litter...
I should take the time to read threads fully I often read the OP and skim the rest...on most threads.

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

Anytime you allow your unaltered pets to "mate"...that makes you a breeder in my book...

This was not the first time either from her prior posts...

[concretegurl]

Hindsight is often, seeing what we should have done right? I look back on a lot and feel that, well anyways there's no shame in learning and making things right...I think it's great you are doing your research in providing this pup with the best care possible and taking responsibility for his medical care and raising him. Hope to see more posts on how he's doing and how it all goes. Wish you the best, and of course a healthy puppy.
Awh, you can get dad and pup fixed at the same time and take pics of them in matching cones and such!

Originally Posted by KendraE

No, I am not a breeder....not usually anyway! Lol.... I have bred Bevo twice and yes, hindsight it was probably an irresponsible thing to do. The 1st time I bred him, my father in law had just passed away after learning 3 months prior he had cancer. He was only 54. I bred Bevo to have a pup to give to my mother in law. I am so attatched to my baby and didn't want her to be alone. Both pups were beautiful and are alot bigger than their daddy. Everything went perfect. People are always asking if they can use Bevo as a stud. He is small, has a perfect little Teddy bear face and ears that reach for the moon. But, I always decline. Now the 2nd breeding..... My son and daughter have had toy poodles all their lives. My daughters died about a year and a half ago, and my sons a few months ago, both of old age. (my kids are 13 & 15 and have had their dogs their entire lives) ( and we NEVER bred them either! Lol) My daughter has been in love with Bevo for as long as we have had him, but he clings to me like a toddler, and she has been begging for quite some time for her own. Sooooo, hence the 2nd breeding. Thought it would be great to know EXACTLY where the pup came from and have our own. Yes, there is a contract, that does state healthy pup, but this baby is sweet and beautiful and he can't help he was born a " mutant". I cannot turn my back on him. I have visited him everyday and will bring him home and love him no matter how he turns out. I feel that IS my responsibility for making the decision to let Bevo breed without doing the proper test first. I will not be breeding him again as that was never my intentions anyway! I KNOW I should have done things so differently, so before you judge me, plz know I love my Bevo and would never have done anything to intentionally put a puppy at risk. Since this baby's birth, I have done countless hours of research and am very optimistic of his future. My vet who has yorkies had never even heard of it, but will be preparing for potentional problems in the future. Thank you all for your replies. I will now go And bow my head in shame for not properly breeding!

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

Im curious if you thought to do any testing prior to allowing Bevmo out to stud? Or did you consider having proof of health from the females that were bred with him?

These are the things that make responsible breeding...unfortunately, without them, these are the end results.

I'm also wondering why the breeder of this female, who now has a blue puppy would permit this puppy to be going anywhere. I'm surprised there would not be a clause in either of your contracts stating the pick of the litter would be a "healthy" pup.

Too much risk to never be sure that if this puppy survives, would not be bred again. Not saying that you would be so irresponsible but, the whole situation is just not sounding like responsible breeding.

At this point the pup is "healthy" and may not begin to show signs of hair loss in the blue area for a couple of years.

Even if every normal routine test that breeders would preform on a breeding dog were done, I know of no one who tests to see if their dog carries the recessive D locus - so I'm sorry, but this would have happened regardless.

KendraE, I wish you and your puppy the best. This isn't a death scentence for your boy but there may be some challenges ahead as he grows. I'm sure by that time, you and your vet will be well prepared on how to treat dogs who have color dilution alopecia.

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

At this point the pup is "healthy" and may not begin to show signs of hair loss in the blue area for a couple of years.

Even if every normal routine test that breeders would preform on a breeding dog were done, I know of no one who tests to see if their dog carries the recessive D locus - so I'm sorry, but this would have happened regardless.

KendraE, I wish you and your puppy the best. This isn't a death scentence for your boy but there may be some challenges ahead as he grows. I'm sure by that time, you and your vet will be well prepared on how to treat dogs who have color dilution alopecia.

Thank you! And from what I now know, there is a great chance he wont ever actually have CDA. I really hope this is the result, but only time will tell. My husband tried to cheer me up and tell me how much less his grooming bills will be! I really don't care that he is "special". Fits right in to my family....both my kids had problems during my pregnancies and I was told neither would ever make it. My daughter was born with all of her intestines on the outside of her body and was supposed to have MANY other problems....today, both are absolutely gorgeous teenagers who are very active in sports, cheerleading, etc. So, maybe lil Smurf will prove everyone wrong as well like his big "human" brother and sis!!

[miabellaamoure]

but, sometimes after seeing so many unwanted Yorkie's turn up in shelter after shelter or surrendered to rescue groups like the one I foster for...you can understand how important it is to reinforce that breeding should never be treated lightly.

I understand where your heart was in the desire to breed Bevo for your own family but, I wish more people would understand there are many other ways to give the gift of a Yorkie. If only they would think to look first at their local shelters or rescue groups.

Last night, I saw on Pet adoption: Want a dog or cat? Adopt a pet on Petfinder that there were 62 pages and 1,531 Yorkie's who are in need of families! For every Yorkie that a rescue group is able to find a foster home for, countless others are left to suffer in overcrowded conditions of shelters and worse if they land in a high kill shelter.

If you mistook my post for implying that Bevo's "blue" pup is less deserving of a chance...you were mistaken. I just felt he was more deserving of coming into this world by the means of responsible breeding.

Posts like mine are not meant to shame anyone or send them off into a corner to bow their heads...not at all. I am sorry if you took it that way. Instead I had hoped to make people think before making the same mistake you did.

There are those on YT who would only like to see giddy congratulation's every time someone posts about when their irresponsibly bred new litter arrives...or condolences when their casual breeding has left them with a momma and/or pups dying.

I am not anti-breeding either. I have a love for the Yorkshire Terrier breed and would prefer to see it left to those who do so with education & responsible breeding ethics.

I know there will always be unwanted pups who land in unfortunate circumstances, needing to be re-homed but, at least there would be more healthy Yorkie's to have a better chance at placement IF they originated from responsible breeding.

There are many on YT who do NOT want to see these kind of threads go without some mention of the importance of proper education & mentoring beforehand.

I can see from your last post that you intend to take care of this puppy...thank you!

After reading of your daughters birth...I just had to share that my son and daughter-in-law lost their first baby last year due to an Omphalocele which contained the intestines, liver & heart. Their baby also suffered from another condition, Anencephaly...both conditions were fatal. We are thankful that, with the guidance from a high-risk OBGYN group in San Diego (UCSD) they are now expecting a healthy baby boy this July.

Best of luck to you,
Jo Ann

[HEATHER72]

Originally Posted by Dzbabykel

Hello Virginians Hehe I'm north of Fredericksburg in Centreville, right outside of DC.

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Hi Neighbor! I grew up in Fairfax, then moved down to Prince William Co and farther south to Fredericksburg.

Northern VA yorkies are taking over! I'm in Gainesville - Prince William County. I also have one of Pine Haven's yorkies.