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Marie · 11-10-2005, 07:32 PM

Even thou I think 6 weeks is way to young I think is best to get her if the breeder is not going to provide what she needs like socialization, etc. Like YorkieRose said i consider this a rescue. I wish you all the luck.

FirstYorkie · 11-11-2005, 06:27 AM

You know, one thing that I've found interesting as an American living in England is the different perception of when is the best time to adopt a puppy. It used to be in the States that we thought around 8 weeks was best. Now, as you know, the current thinking is that it's best for them to stay with mom until they are 10 - 12 weeks so that they learn proper dog behavior (as it relates to other dogs).

Here in England, that isn't the norm. Here, they are pushing for earlier adoption (like 6-8 weeks) because they feel that puppies socialize better to people when adopted younger.

What I take from this is that there is no right and wrong nor is it proven fact that one way is better than the other. I believe that whichever way you go, you (the new owner) needs to compensate for what the pup has lacked. An older puppy at adoption needs to quickly be exposed to alot of different people so that they don't develop fear issues related to people. A puppy adopted at 10 -12 weeks who hasn't had all their shots is also going to miss some crucial socialization time with other dogs while you wait for the immunity to kick in.

A puppy as young as the one Amanda is adopting needs to be socialized early and often with other dogs. This means other dogs in addition to Tucker. A puppy socialization class would be a good idea. Naturally, though, you've got to be sure that her shots are fully effective before you expose her to other dogs.

cheryl000 · 11-11-2005, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda350

The problem with leaving her with the breeder longer is this.. The breeder is going to sell the littermates at 6wks so when they are gone, and they will be, then my little girl will be all by herself until she comes home with me.. The breeder has a garage that is heated and cooled and that is where all the parents live.. I do not condone the fact that the parents are only socialized when they are being groomed or fed but I am not leaving that little girl alone. Either I will get her or let them sell her.. I got Tucker from them and he was 8wks..He is the best dog ever!! Although their kennel is clean and they take great medical care of their pets, they do not have any that live in the home with humans.. I have tried to get them to sell me one of the adults but they refuse.. They are not kept in cages all day, they get the yard and have runs, but they don't get love.. Just because the parents are not socialized, does not mean that the puppies are bad.. With Tucker being here and me being home, I know that she will be fine.. I know what to look for so I can take great care of her...

IMHO this sounds like a bit of a backyard breeder. Is she giving them shots or worming them? Don't get me wrong, she's better than a puppymil because she's giving them medical care. I believe a good breeder is also a doglover. Part of being an owner period is to give your dog love and attention.
Before I get yelled at for skipping to conclusions, let me explain myself. A backyard breeder likes to let the puppies leave at around 5 weeks. This is the point where the puppies are starting to eat by themselves and the mother stops cleaning after them. The also require more space an exercise which could be a problem if they are kept in a small area. They also tend not to have shots/worming because it costs money and would cut into the profit.
Have you tried to convince her to keep all the puppies until they're really ready to go? Why do you continue to buy from her when she seems to not have the puppy's best intrest? I would understand if this was a one time rescue, but to go back just because it's cheap? Well you get what you pay for. I apologize if I am incorrect in assuming she's a backyard breeder with the little facts I have to go on from you.
The following is an excerpt from Puppies for Dummies, which is true because Brandy bites the HECK out of my fingers and growls at me. Brandy also goes biserk if I am holding another dog the same time as her:
"Things to consider with a baby pup"
I recommend 8-12 weeks. 6 week old pups nip and play in a n early attempt to define a hierarchy. They even use mom as a biting bag: she puts them in their place and teaches them respect. Respect is a must-learn BEFORE bringing a pup home. Also at 6 weeks, puppies are just developing bladder control; waiting for that developmental stage has benefits FAR beyond any ability-or desire- to explain it.

FirstYorkie · 11-11-2005, 10:04 AM

Well, as I said, there are 2 sides to most every story.

From Gwen Bailey's The Perfect Puppy: "Current thinking is that about six weeks of age is old enough to have learned quite a lot about life in the litter and that time after this is better spent learning to be part of a human family. Do not take a puppy that is older than eight weeks unless you know for certain that it has already been well-socialized with humans..."

I'm not saying that I agree with this. Joey was 10 weeks old when I adopted him and he's a wonderful puppy! What I'm saying is that there are no hard and fast rights and wrongs in this. There are only varying schools of thought.

Let's not judge each other for our choices. Instead, let's support each other whether we agree with another's choices or not.

chachi · 11-11-2005, 10:11 AM

When I first posted to this thread I didnt notice how young this pup was gonna be when you got him. I got Chachi at 6 weeks old and he was way too young to have left his ltter mates. He got stressed and got diahrea and had to have an injection of fluids. On top of it he stopped eating it was a very stressful time. I would ask the breeder if she could hold the pup for you untill 10 weeks. If you go ahead and take the pup give nutrical and keep his environment as non stressful as possible. Chachi just became stressed because of being held.

amanda350 · 11-11-2005, 05:13 PM

$700 is not cheap and the reason I go back to her is because she takes great medical care of the puppies and yes shots and worming are included and because I know how to handle a small puppy and am completely prepared for whatever it may bring...Please go back and read my other replys in this thread...I am late for dinner and my husband is yelling at me to come eat...

11-10-2005, 07:32 PM	#16
Marie Mom loves Gucci Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 6,427	Even thou I think 6 weeks is way to young I think is best to get her if the breeder is not going to provide what she needs like socialization, etc. Like YorkieRose said i consider this a rescue. I wish you all the luck. __________________ Huggies, Gucci and Marie http://www.dogster.com/?132187 "I have been egged"

11-11-2005, 10:11 AM	#20
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	When I first posted to this thread I didnt notice how young this pup was gonna be when you got him. I got Chachi at 6 weeks old and he was way too young to have left his ltter mates. He got stressed and got diahrea and had to have an injection of fluids. On top of it he stopped eating it was a very stressful time. I would ask the breeder if she could hold the pup for you untill 10 weeks. If you go ahead and take the pup give nutrical and keep his environment as non stressful as possible. Chachi just became stressed because of being held. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

11-11-2005, 06:27 AM	#17
FirstYorkie YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: American in London Posts: 1,739	You know, one thing that I've found interesting as an American living in England is the different perception of when is the best time to adopt a puppy. It used to be in the States that we thought around 8 weeks was best. Now, as you know, the current thinking is that it's best for them to stay with mom until they are 10 - 12 weeks so that they learn proper dog behavior (as it relates to other dogs). Here in England, that isn't the norm. Here, they are pushing for earlier adoption (like 6-8 weeks) because they feel that puppies socialize better to people when adopted younger. What I take from this is that there is no right and wrong nor is it proven fact that one way is better than the other. I believe that whichever way you go, you (the new owner) needs to compensate for what the pup has lacked. An older puppy at adoption needs to quickly be exposed to alot of different people so that they don't develop fear issues related to people. A puppy adopted at 10 -12 weeks who hasn't had all their shots is also going to miss some crucial socialization time with other dogs while you wait for the immunity to kick in. A puppy as young as the one Amanda is adopting needs to be socialized early and often with other dogs. This means other dogs in addition to Tucker. A puppy socialization class would be a good idea. Naturally, though, you've got to be sure that her shots are fully effective before you expose her to other dogs.

11-11-2005, 10:04 AM	#19
FirstYorkie YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: American in London Posts: 1,739	Well, as I said, there are 2 sides to most every story. From Gwen Bailey's The Perfect Puppy: "Current thinking is that about six weeks of age is old enough to have learned quite a lot about life in the litter and that time after this is better spent learning to be part of a human family. Do not take a puppy that is older than eight weeks unless you know for certain that it has already been well-socialized with humans..." I'm not saying that I agree with this. Joey was 10 weeks old when I adopted him and he's a wonderful puppy! What I'm saying is that there are no hard and fast rights and wrongs in this. There are only varying schools of thought. Let's not judge each other for our choices. Instead, let's support each other whether we agree with another's choices or not.

11-11-2005, 05:13 PM	#21
amanda350 No Longer A Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 986	$700 is not cheap and the reason I go back to her is because she takes great medical care of the puppies and yes shots and worming are included and because I know how to handle a small puppy and am completely prepared for whatever it may bring...Please go back and read my other replys in this thread...I am late for dinner and my husband is yelling at me to come eat...