DeBarking I don't want to start a controversial thread, but I read recently that someone said debarking is done by ramming a metal bar down a dog's throat and I was appalled at the thought so I did a little research and found out that it is accomplished by a surgical procedure that is safer (according to this author) than neutering and/or spaying and is done with a laser in most cases. A part of the vocal cords is removed to reduce the volume of the bark but the dog can still make some noise after the procedure. None of my dogs are debarked and I would not consider the procedure for my dogs as I do not agree with elective surgeries for mine, but I thought it was important to put the facts about the procedure out there since there seem to be misconceptions by some. Here is the link http://www.naiaonline.org/body/artic...debark_qna.htm Now, I am ducking for cover. :eek: |
Thanks for the info, I had heard about it also,and heard it was quite a horrible act,,, which I still dont agree with IMO,, Thats what dogs do, Bark,, good or bad. But I am glad to know that is done more humanely. I dont think you need cover.. ;) |
Oh that is good to hear. The other way sounded horrifying and I flet so sorry for the dogs that this happened to. The other way sounded too cruel to be true. |
Good Post!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Yea that thread went on & on. I think people should do a little research, before they put their input in. Thank you for taking your time to research it. It's true, you can always learn something new on YT. :) :) LOL :D Dont duck!!! You did a great job! :thumbup: |
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If they want a dog that dont bark they should buy the one that dont bark (cant think of name from Africa i think) . I think it is mean. |
That was me who posted the debarking thread! Thanks for posting that info. The metal rod thing just made me sick... Still haven't decided if we're going to get her or not. She is asking a great price (i think) but I still need to convince my husband that we can spend that money now. I feel like I need to bring her home and love her! she is 4 years old..so at least I'm beyond the puppy chewing stage (right?!) And she is almost housebroken :) Her name is Lily and she's about 6 lbs. |
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I am very well aware of the surgical procedure involving debarking. There are some pet owners who choose to have their dogs surgically debarked. I personally do not agree with this, but as least the surgical method of debarking is done it a clean and safe environment by a vet. |
ahhhh...that is sad! |
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Kim, I have heard of this being done by puppy millers. Its a brutal, heart-less act and I cannot imagine. When I am reminded or read about things like this, I realize that this world is divided into two catergorys regardless as to who you are or what you do: Good and Evil. The first time I ever read about de-barking i remember I got sick to my stomach the entire day. I appreciate the fact that I am surrounded by so many Good people on Yt and it makes it easier to stay educated on the Evil stuff so that we all will know how to spot it and take action if we ever encounter such things... |
Debarking a dog to me is like saying, I want to have kids, but I don't want them to cry; Let me take out their vocal cords. It is absolutely insane and no matter how it is done, I have no patience for it. |
Some Links To Debarking Please Note: I am NOT referring to the surgical method of debarking Check out these links which mention the cruel method of debarking (ramming a rod down a dogs throat): 1. Check out the last 3 sentences in the first paragraph: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...r_id=498565236 2. Scroll allllllll the way to the bottom and check out the poor little doggy named Wyatt Earp -- he was debarked by some rotten puppy miller: http://hillbillypets.com/Login/index...mand=viewshame 3. Look below all of the pictures of the puppy mill rescue dogs at the very first paragraph: http://anniehughes.com/roar.htm This one was so sad that I had to copy and paste the text. Here is what #3 says: "THIS is what the PARENTS of those cute puppies in PET STORES look like. They have been severely abused: neglected, starved, beaten, mauled by other dogs, blinded and, most horrendously, DE-BARKED (achieved by a metal rod down the throat driven with a HAMMER, rupturing the vocal chords, breaking the jaw and teeth, causing the dog's tongue to hang limply from its mouth). CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT? How can anyone? PLEASE - boycott pet stores that sell live animals." |
Oh Jennifer - those links were so graphic - I hadn't seen that site before - How SICKENING Pet Stores are Puppy Mills are. I'm not even going to say any more about that - I don't believe in ANY surgery that is just for human comfort and De-Barking in any form sounds just sickening....I'm sure there are people out there who will continue to do this - but I sure don't want to see it encouraged or made light of - it sounds like a very serious procedure with possible serious consequences - The metal rod thing is evil - just evil. |
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If a person want to have a dog but don't want to hear him or her bark , they just have to buy plush puppies . |
Jennifer, I cannot live with that. I believe it is one of the reason's I am so very proud of what I do and how I do it. I have never supported pet stores and never will. I wish they would all just close down once and for all. But we're in America, land of the free, so we will continue to see them. Educating the average puppy buyer is our greatest weapon at this point. Thank God for the sweet little lady I met years ago that was nice enough to allow me to have my first yorkie and to open her home to me to see for myself how much she truly cared about her dogs. Without people like her and many others out there, those pet stores would really be booming in sales of puppies. The loving, caring breeders out there, hobby or show, are the reason that there is no excuse for anyone with half a brain to ever help keep the pet stores selling puppies in business. |
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I am sure that sort of cruel and inhumane treatment does occur in this world and it is disgusting and unfogiveable and should be punished, but I just felt everyone should know that not everyone who has made the decision to debark their dog did it in this cruel way. Some used the surgical and accepted veterinary procedure to accomplish a reduced volume to the bark and they did it in some instances to save the dog's life. |
how terribly sad...whats even sadder is all her sisters and brothers out there across the country going thru the SAME fate. Kim - I understand why you posted about this... I THINK - but let's not forget - De-Barking in any form is inhumane - and I really don't think the majority of Dogs are getting actual surgery - I think they're getting the ROD....so trying to say it's humane and easier than getting spayed is giving out the wrong signals here. No offense but I really find it odd that someone would say this is Humane |
The woman told me she had her surgically debarked, along with a few others I assumed. No matter which way its done, its completely ridiculos...but at least I feel a tad better knowing it was done surgically and not the other way. |
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How can anyone support the AKC after that last link? :eek: :eek: :eek: We should all boycott the AKC!!!! They actually condone this?? It's all about money and registration fees!!! DISGUSTING!!!! |
I think which ever way it is done it is cruel The metal rod way is just sickening. I cant believe people could be so barbaric to do this to a living thing. |
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It is despicable... either way.. :thumbdown Bottom line is, if you want a dog that doesn't bark... Get a CAT! |
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Vets perform the surgery legally so it is apparently not inhumane by veterinary standards. (of course I am only referring here to surgical debarking and not the obvious "inhumane form" of debarking mentioned in this thread). For example, I consider tail docking to be inhumane and cruel yet it is done everyday by vets and breeders so it is also apparently not inhumane by veterinary standards as they currently exist in our country at least. Sad but true. |
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I agree! Im even thinking of asking her to come down on her price since the dog does not have the ability to really communicate with us. |
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