parti changing from white to blue

[QuickSilver]

Thor's roots always look much darker than the color even half an inch out. I used to always get my hopes up too, but he's determined to stay blond. Speaking strictly as an amateur, I decided that the hair at the roots must look darker as some trick of the light.

I am not sure what's going one with Thor, though I've heard reference to a blue dilution gene.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

This page came from a book about Yorkies, I think it was called the "The Complete Yorkshire Terrier", but I can't verify this yet. A book on Yorkies might be a better guide. I do think the picture you showed was more than a wavey hair, the curl looks like starts at the roots. Wavey hair usually means not perfectly bone staight, as in slight wave at the ends.

Interesting!

It's not in my copy of the Complete YorkshireTerrier, but I have the older version, so it might be in the new version.

So it seems the verdict is still out on that issue. I guess I'll do my own studies.

I can tell you that there were 4 puppies in that litter and she is the only one with wavy/curly hair. And he has produced straight haired pups with other dams also.

so maybe it is one of those genes that is just not easy to pinpoint.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

It was explained earlier that a straight iron is used after the wraps come out, wraps can cause the hair to almost look permed.

It was also pointed out earlier that many OLD photos of champions show them with wavy/curly hair, before they strarted using the straightening irons ands blow dryers.

To straighten after the wraps is probably one reason that they use the straightening irons. I'm guessing they use it to make the coat look longer and flow bettre also.

A video that was posted on here a while back, that showed products used to enhance the coat color, also show him using a straightening iron.

the old time show people would probably turn over in their graves if they saw what goes on today.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

A pure and true silk coated yorkie will not have curl or a wave to their coat. My Radar, my Tucker who are champions and then I have Krissy all have "straight" hair no wave or curl. Harvey probably has a modified silk and may have a wave to it but no curls. Then I have brookie and Murphy who are cotton coated and of course they have curls to their coats.
When you have a pure and true silk coat you will not have wave or curl to it. I would welcome anyone at a show to see Radar after his blow dry with no iron to it. I will be in NY in Feb and I have no issue with anyone watching me bathe and groom him

But that is not the case with every yorkie. This is a parti, I'm not sure if there is a parti with a pure silk coat. But we're working on it.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Teresamag

Jeanie,

I'm not sure you ever got your question answered about the color on the topline of your Parti. I found the wavy coat thread interesting and educating but wondered if anyone had emailed you or PM'd you about the color? I would love to know


Teresa

No, no other answers than what you see here. No one seems to know why.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

My Izzy has a silky coat and has a ton of curls. She has never knotted and is EXTREMELY easy to groom. Here is a thread with pictures that show her coat:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/my-...weet-izzy.html

So I can say, from first-hand experience with Izzy....a curly coat can have a silky texture.

She has a beautiful coat. My new girl has some curl to hers also, but it is short, the previous owner had her clipped. I can't wait to see what it is like when it grows out.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It was also pointed out earlier that many OLD photos of champions show them with wavy/curly hair, before they strarted using the straightening irons ands blow dryers.

To straighten after the wraps is probably one reason that they use the straightening irons. I'm guessing they use it to make the coat look longer and flow bettre also.

A video that was posted on here a while back, that showed products used to enhance the coat color, also show him using a straightening iron.

the old time show people would probably turn over in their graves if they saw what goes on today.

If you look at the pictures of the older champions, the curls and waves do not look naturally occurring. They look like the kinkiness caused by wrapping or braiding. A few of the dogs had hair beyond floor length. I doubt the hair was left that way on a day to day basis. It must have been put up in some fashion that created the waves.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Interesting!

It's not in my copy of the Complete YorkshireTerrier, but I have the older version, so it might be in the new version.

So it seems the verdict is still out on that issue. I guess I'll do my own studies.

I can tell you that there were 4 puppies in that litter and she is the only one with wavy/curly hair. And he has produced straight haired pups with other dams also.

so maybe it is one of those genes that is just not easy to pinpoint.

The page Nancy scanned and posted is from Ann Seranne's book. It does say that it must be kept in mind that some are incompletely dominant and some are linked so there's some leeway in how this list could be interpreted.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I think her curls are cute too! I love her sweet face.

I don't want to argue either BUT a "pure" silk coat will "not" have curls or waves that's fact. I'm sure she's silky as is my harvey but not a pure true silk as it's not straight. And Harvey is of my breeding and I know the difference

So do they show those with modifed coats? Are those the ones who use the straighteners?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by MauiGirl

I would also love to know, as my Tiki has the same dark roots.

It is somewhat frustrating to read 110 replies to this thread, and almost none of them refer to the OP's original question about the color. Looking for more color input.... please

I'm guessing that know one knows why this happens. the partis are so new, there are alot of unanswered questions.

those of us breeding partis need to document these things and keep notes so we can share it with others in the future.

Even thought this thread has strayed, I have learned from it and I'm very pleased that it has remained civil.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Sorry Sandy (and Jeanie)....the curls statement piqued my curiousity. I won't write anything else about it.

No go ahead with your questions. we can still learn. Apparently know one has an answer to my question anyway.

i would love to feel a pure silk coat, unfortunately i have NO felling in my hands o would not be abvle to feel the difference.

I have two that I think are silky coats. when I bathe them, the shampoo sort of smears on the coat, if you know what I mean. it's hard to explain.

[peanut]

Sorry Jeanie, I guess I started something when I said hard silk, which I have heard it meaning pure silk, not modified or cotton coat, but now that I know there are different silks, I will be careful not to say that again. I think your girl is beautiful.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It was also pointed out earlier that many OLD photos of champions show them with wavy/curly hair, before they strarted using the straightening irons ands blow dryers.

To straighten after the wraps is probably one reason that they use the straightening irons. I'm guessing they use it to make the coat look longer and flow bettre also.

A video that was posted on here a while back, that showed products used to enhance the coat color, also show him using a straightening iron.

the old time show people would probably turn over in their graves if they saw what goes on today.

Many of the old breeders had dogs that most pet owners wouldn't even want. If you look at the earlier pictures, the yorkie has evolved very gradually into the dog it is today. Early breeders worked very hard to rid their lines of these faults. If you just want to say, "Oh show breeders cheat, so therefore why should I do things the right way", you will never be improving your program. Many people have told me they are really trying to improve their programs, not make excuses and blaming others.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

nothing is impossible when genetics are involved of course not BUT a true pure silk coat should "not" be wavey or curly. Poodles evidently have curls in their genetic make up and the portguese water dog and other curley coated breeds ect...but if breeding correctly a pure silk coat should not have curls and if it does it's not pure, there has to be modified in the coat even if the slightest bit.
This is off topic and I know nothing about the Parti color so I can't answer the OP's orginal question so I'll turn it back over to those that can answer it.
I apologize for keeping it off topic

Donna

Not a problem Donna. I am learning. it appears that there is no answer to my question anyway.

[Woogie Man]

I think the easiest way to tell if a coat is silk, other than appearance, is that it feels cool to the touch.

The term 'silk' means so many different things to different people and is referred to differently. I've heard of modified silk, hard silk, soft silk, warm silk and cool silk.

I like the term 'cool silk'. It's the most accurate to me in describing an ideal coat texture. I don't think it has the cool feel unless all the attributes of a silk coat are there.

But then, I could be totally wrong....., but just going by my experience so far.