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[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If you had read my other post, I said that I did not consider 5-7lb dog being big either, just that I want a smaller one. I certainly never said that size is huge. I mentioned my 15# chihuahua is huge, for the breed.

Good golly miss molly

I know you did. I wasn't saying you stuck with the original big implication. I said why I posted on size in regards to "tinies." I was simply stating that I wasn't being insulting or getting up in arms, which was in response to your post that people were getting upset. I wasn't upset at all and was clarifying why I even commented on size or the "tinies" in the first place, which had nothing to do with getting my panties in a twist.

So don't good golly me. It wasn't like I was being mean.

[roseslevi]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont think you are getting what people are saying nobody dislikes tinys just breeders that breed for them. Why should breeders be breeding for a dog that is more fragile and more susceptible to injuries and health problems. You even said your dog had lp which is very common in tinies and usually because of injury. Why should a breeder be breeding for one trait smallness and charging outrageous prices for them. Also I dont thiknk a tiny should be allowed to go to just any household because they are fragile but these breeders usually let them go to whoever can pay their outrageous price rather than to the most suitable home

Exactly

[concretegurl]

Health being the imperative issue to me, not a kennel club standard...here (hilarious right TEACUP bashing by a designer dog expert) I know nothing about this lady BTW, but was just saying health is the issue for some not a kennel club standard...so even if you like outside the box Yorkies...you should still be concerned with health and breeding a dog to small to be bred is a virtual death sentence and should be considered cruelty on so many levels.

When Yorkshire Terriers are too small - under 4 pounds - there are at least five serious problems owners face.
1. Very fragile
Their bones are extremely fragile; a jump from the couch or other pets in the household can seriously injure the super-tiny dog and of course, they're not for children. Besides very fragile bones, the Teacup's organs are often underdeveloped and can suddenly fail.
2. Dental problems
Every breed has weaknesses, and Yorkies are known for dental problems like baby teeth that don't fall out and huge tartar build-up. For Teacups, add another issue: there's often not enough room in their mouths for healthy teeth to grow. That makes feeding a challenge and you may be faced with costly dental work almost immediately to relieve your dog's pain.
3. Hard to potty train
It makes sense that since the Teacup's bladder is much smaller than 'regular' Yorkies, that house-training can be almost impossible no matter how hard you and your puppy work at it.
4. Difficult to feed properly
Extra-small Yorkies must have a very high quality dog food made specifically for puppies, or food that you make yourself... and they must eat at least 3 times a day, if not 4 or 5 times. That's a big responsibility.
5. Low-blood-sugar shock
If Teacup Yorkies don't eat often enough, they risk hypoglycemia -- a drastic drop in blood sugar that can lead to shock and even death! There is a risk of hypoglycemia in all toy breeds when they are puppies, but once they're a bit bigger that danger fades. However, the threat is always there for Teacups.
These are just 5 reasons why ethical breeders don't try and produce extra small Yorkies. To them, the Teacup is simply a too-small runt who, by cause of today's better vet techniques, happens to live. And unfortunately for the owner, the Teacup, however cute, brings a whole slew of problems.


Deb Gray is a self-taught expert and confessed lover of Yorkshire Terriers, Maltese and their crossbreed, Morkies. Learn more about making these dogs your perfect animal companions at Deb's sites http://www.growingupyorkie.com and http://www.yorkie-maltesemix.com You'll find practical advice, hints and down-to-earth tips; resources; forums and unique sources for gifts, equipment and more.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Deb_Gray

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by n2cm

I ran across this ad and have to say I am at a loss for words. Tiny doll face yorkshire terrier puppy for adoption 11 weeks | San Francisco | eBay Classifieds (Kijiji) | 8133780

I don't understand why people insist on producing such tiny delicate puppies! I am totally speechless ......

I have found some people post the pictures of the pups when they are "young and cute" and not the most recent picture, maybe that was the best picture they had. Big changes from 9 weeks until 11/12 weeks

[roseslevi]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Please explain how purposely breeding tinies is bettering the breed?

The Op's original shock was the size and the price tag of the "tiny" yorkie. If you continue to breed tiny unhealthy animals....what is going to happen to the breed over time?

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I have found some people post the pictures of the pups when they are "young and cute" and not the most recent picture, maybe that was the best picture they had. Big changes from 9 weeks until 11/12 weeks

I never thought of that, but I think they should post newer pictures if they truly are larger than older pictures.

What about that weird (to me anyway) indent in its back?

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by roseslevi

The Op's original shock was the size and the price tag of the "tiny" yorkie. If you continue to breed tiny unhealthy animals....what is going to happen to the breed over time?

I think we all know the answer to that, unfortunately.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont think you are getting what people are saying nobody dislikes tinys just breeders that breed for them. Why should breeders be breeding for a dog that is more fragile and more susceptible to injuries and health problems. You even said your dog had lp which is very common in tinies and usually because of injury. Why should a breeder be breeding for one trait smallness and charging outrageous prices for them. Also I dont thiknk a tiny should be allowed to go to just any household because they are fragile but these breeders usually let them go to whoever can pay their outrageous price rather than to the most suitable home

No, I said my dog has cerebrial palsy. cp is a birth injury. It could happen with a standard sized dog also. I don't know about that being common. I've never heard of it.

My point was that not ALL tiny breeders are unresponsible. I know one that is NOT! She does not just let her tinies go to any place. That was my point. Not all tiny breeders are irresponsible. There will always be tiny breeders, as long as people, such as myself are looking for them. It would be so nice it the reputable tiny breeder be treated with respect also, instead of people that think they know it all treat them like they are bad breeders

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I never thought of that, but I think they should post newer pictures if they truly are larger than older pictures.

What about that weird (to me anyway) indent in its back?

Yeah, I was only referring to the pictures and not the whole website, etc.
I was kinda shocked at how small the pup looked and I guess since I know people don't always post the most recent picture I was hoping that was the case and that the pup in the picture wasn't actually 11 wks old.

[roseslevi]

Originally Posted by butterfly

No, I said my dog has cerebrial palsy. cp is a birth injury. It could happen with a standard sized dog also. I don't know about that being common. I've never heard of it.

My point was that not ALL tiny breeders are unresponsible. I know one that is NOT! She does not just let her tinies go to any place. That was my point. Not all tiny breeders are irresponsible. There will always be tiny breeders, as long as people, such as myself are looking for them. It would be so nice it the reputable tiny breeder be treated with respect also, instead of people that think they know it all treat them like they are bad breeders

I think what I am saying, I don't want speak for the others, is that your breeder is responsible as far as placing them well and taking care of her puppies. What I am saying is the bigger picture....breeders that just breed for tinies only, are doing damage to the breed as a whole. Why would you add to health problems of a breed that already has many? Why would you knowingly increase hereditary conditions?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by butterfly

No, I said my dog has cerebrial palsy. cp is a birth injury. It could happen with a standard sized dog also. I don't know about that being common. I've never heard of it.

My point was that not ALL tiny breeders are unresponsible. I know one that is NOT! She does not just let her tinies go to any place. That was my point. Not all tiny breeders are irresponsible. There will always be tiny breeders, as long as people, such as myself are looking for them. It would be so nice it the reputable tiny breeder be treated with respect also, instead of people that think they know it all treat them like they are bad breeders

We are never going to agree on this subject so it is best to let it go. You think breeders should be breeding for tinies because you like them and Ive told you the reasons why they shouldnt. I also think their is responsibility on the buyers part to buy from a reputable breeder that has the breeds best interest at heart so the whole problem doesnt fall into the breeders hands because if their werent people seeking tinies breeders wouldnt be breeding for them

[Ringo1]

The dog's head in the ad looks waay too big for it's body. To my untrained eye, it doesn't look quite 'right'.

I hope the poor little thing is healthy.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Health being the imperative issue to me, not a kennel club standard...here (hilarious right TEACUP bashing by a designer dog expert) I know nothing about this lady BTW, but was just saying health is the issue for some not a kennel club standard...so even if you like outside the box Yorkies...you should still be concerned with health and breeding a dog to small to be bred is a virtual death sentence and should be considered cruelty on so many levels.

When Yorkshire Terriers are too small - under 4 pounds - there are at least five serious problems owners face.
1. Very fragile
Their bones are extremely fragile; a jump from the couch or other pets in the household can seriously injure the super-tiny dog and of course, they're not for children. Besides very fragile bones, the Teacup's organs are often underdeveloped and can suddenly fail.
2. Dental problems
Every breed has weaknesses, and Yorkies are known for dental problems like baby teeth that don't fall out and huge tartar build-up. For Teacups, add another issue: there's often not enough room in their mouths for healthy teeth to grow. That makes feeding a challenge and you may be faced with costly dental work almost immediately to relieve your dog's pain.
3. Hard to potty train
It makes sense that since the Teacup's bladder is much smaller than 'regular' Yorkies, that house-training can be almost impossible no matter how hard you and your puppy work at it.
4. Difficult to feed properly
Extra-small Yorkies must have a very high quality dog food made specifically for puppies, or food that you make yourself... and they must eat at least 3 times a day, if not 4 or 5 times. That's a big responsibility.
5. Low-blood-sugar shock
If Teacup Yorkies don't eat often enough, they risk hypoglycemia -- a drastic drop in blood sugar that can lead to shock and even death! There is a risk of hypoglycemia in all toy breeds when they are puppies, but once they're a bit bigger that danger fades. However, the threat is always there for Teacups.
These are just 5 reasons why ethical breeders don't try and produce extra small Yorkies. To them, the Teacup is simply a too-small runt who, by cause of today's better vet techniques, happens to live. And unfortunately for the owner, the Teacup, however cute, brings a whole slew of problems.


Deb Gray is a self-taught expert and confessed lover of Yorkshire Terriers, Maltese and their crossbreed, Morkies. Learn more about making these dogs your perfect animal companions at Deb's sites http://www.growingupyorkie.com and http://www.yorkie-maltesemix.com You'll find practical advice, hints and down-to-earth tips; resources; forums and unique sources for gifts, equipment and more.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Deb_Gray

I love Yorkies and I love the Maltese, but there is no reason to crossbred them, you do not get predictable results when you crossbreed. Even when you breed two purebreds together, you have to know what you're doing and understand the line, but when you throw in a whole other breed, you can't predict anything. Shelters are filled with mixes, and if someone wants a mix that's where they should go. Again, there is nothing wrong with mixes, they are cute, but it's the breeders who intentionally breed for them, many are against. So when linking a article, it's good to use a reliable source.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I know you did. I wasn't saying you stuck with the original big implication. I said why I posted on size in regards to "tinies." I was simply stating that I wasn't being insulting or getting up in arms, which was in response to your post that people were getting upset. I wasn't upset at all and was clarifying why I even commented on size or the "tinies" in the first place, which had nothing to do with getting my panties in a twist.

So don't good golly me. It wasn't like I was being mean.

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood.

That's okay. We're cool.